stro Posted June 19, 2017 Report Share Posted June 19, 2017 Not a good show at all, but shout out to the Maharajah retaining even though he should never, ever be booked in a 20 minute match again. Also shout out to Corbin's exquisite heel booking. Usos/New Day was for sure MOTN. AJ/Nak at Summerslam or WM is going to be LIT. Women's MITB being won by a man all to set up a Daniel Bryan promo is never going to not be funny. I hope the decision is made that Ellsworth actually won and he's the one that can cash in since no one thinks of him as a man. Where are all those SD marks saying the women's division is so much better on the blue brand? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cowboy hats Posted June 19, 2017 Report Share Posted June 19, 2017 Where are all those SD marks saying the women's division is so much better on the blue brand? Well, things change, like the booking and losing Bliss, so...maybe they're understandably not saying that anymore? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheDuke Posted June 19, 2017 Report Share Posted June 19, 2017 I enjoyed the show actually. I thought it was better than Extreme Rules from a few weeks ago. I loved the Usos/New Day up until the finish. I thought the main event was really fun. I like seeing Orton beat up the Singh brothers. I was glad to see them doing something with Ellsworth again. And I was impressed by Lana, I was expecting a lot less from her and enjoyed that match as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stro Posted June 19, 2017 Report Share Posted June 19, 2017 It wasn't booked well before MITB, dawg. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sean Liska Posted June 19, 2017 Report Share Posted June 19, 2017 I actually enjoyed most of that show except the finishes. And some of them are defensible, but to do so many deflating finishes on the same show, even if it's to get heat on the heels as we start the road to SummerSlam - may want to take a break from the St. Louis market for a bit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad Dog Posted June 19, 2017 Report Share Posted June 19, 2017 I think the problem is they aren't asking people to fork over $50 for a PPV anymore so they don't feel the need to so anything close to good finishes on those shows. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt D Posted June 19, 2017 Report Share Posted June 19, 2017 I think the problem is they aren't asking people to fork over $50 for a PPV anymore so they don't feel the need to so anything close to good finishes on those shows. Â I wonder if there really were more good finishes ten years ago? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stro Posted June 19, 2017 Report Share Posted June 19, 2017 PPVs have been full of shit finishes since they started. PPVs going back to the 80s are littered with DQs, no contests, and count out finishes even in main events of such shows as big as Wrestlemania. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad Dog Posted June 19, 2017 Report Share Posted June 19, 2017 Â Â I think the problem is they aren't asking people to fork over $50 for a PPV anymore so they don't feel the need to so anything close to good finishes on those shows. I wonder if there really were more good finishes ten years ago? I think less in the sense that you weren't getting entire shows of bad finishes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goc Posted June 19, 2017 Report Share Posted June 19, 2017 I dunno, I think the booking of the MITB has made Carmella/Ellsworth and the women's division much more interesting Yes. This is the correct take. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcmmnx Posted June 19, 2017 Report Share Posted June 19, 2017  WWE hates their fans.Nah, cause I'm a fan and I enjoyed the show. WWE doesn't care about fans who hatewatch. Granted, I watched the show surrounded by family and friends during a Father's Day BBQ, with kids and folks getting into it. You know, the way it's supposed to be watched. Not by yourself , all alone and already set to hate it. I thought this was a typical modern WWE show good ring work with everyone busting their ass only to be over shadowed by shitty booking. I like how you didn't quote the part where I said the main was fun, and accuse me of hate watching the show. As if everyone who has a negative opinion about WWE has their minds made up before they watch it. If I wanted to hate watch WWE I'd force myself to sit through a Raw sometime. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coffey Posted June 19, 2017 Report Share Posted June 19, 2017 After watching the show with my buddy last night, I'm surprised that when I came on here after he left that so many people were upset with the booking. I thought it was a pretty straight forward show. Heel got help to cheat to win the ladder match for the women, Usos fled like cowards to retain from the babyfaces that were winning, main event heel snuck in to win at the end and evil foreigner heel champ retained via shenanigans as he's only had the belt for a month. Â I didn't think it was bad at all. It was pretty par for the course, actually. Honky Tonk Man used to run away to keep his belt all the time. That's what the Usos did. MITB has had people run-in/help before too, like Rhyno/Spike/Lita at X-Seven. Don't think that was all that different, people are just hung up on it being the first women's MITB & Big Hog being a dude. Jinder/Orton was kinda long but they had a lot of extra stuff to help fill the time, like the Legends at ringside and the two dudes w/ Jinder & table spots. Â I think people are overreacting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sek69 Posted June 19, 2017 Report Share Posted June 19, 2017 Heels cheating to win and/or not lose has been a thing forever of course. When nearly the entire card involves heels winning and the babyfaces are constantly being portrayed as losers who never get the job done it creates a deflating environment for the crowd that just wants to see the people they cheer for have even the briefest moment to celebrate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad Dog Posted June 19, 2017 Report Share Posted June 19, 2017 Heels cheating to win and/or not lose has been a thing forever of course. When nearly the entire card involves heels winning and the babyfaces are constantly being portrayed as losers who never get the job done it creates a deflating environment for the crowd that just wants to see the people they cheer for have even the briefest moment to celebrate. And this is like the 4th straight PPV with these outcomes which causes people to get pissed off even more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stro Posted June 19, 2017 Report Share Posted June 19, 2017 Heels cheating to win and/or not lose has been a thing forever of course. When nearly the entire card involves heels winning and the babyfaces are constantly being portrayed as losers who never get the job done it creates a deflating environment for the crowd that just wants to see the people they cheer for have even the briefest moment to celebrate. Throughout WWWFE history, I'd say there are more cards where the heels win and faces look like losers and idiots than the other way around. It's just now, instead of getting mad at the heels for cheating, people get mad at the bookers for booking them to cheat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.S. Posted June 19, 2017 Report Share Posted June 19, 2017 I hated most of the booking, yet this was a more enjoyable show to me than the last few PPVs. Despite bad finishes, it was a fun PPV that didn't feel like a 5-hour slog to get through. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMJ Posted June 19, 2017 Report Share Posted June 19, 2017 Full review on my blog - TLDR version below: Â - Of all the "troll" booking the WWE has done in recent memory, this felt like the most timely and most "excusable." The idea that the heat is on Ellsworth and not Carmella isn't a wrong thought, but I don't think its a major issue. As they're a package deal, the heat transfers just fine. Â - Loved the Kanellis' theme song's Bolton-esque brilliance. Reminded me of nauseating garbage TV like The Bachelor. I think this gimmick has real promise as I was irritated by them instantly and I think you actually have more "notes to play" here than with the Drifter (pun intended). Â - The Fashion Police backstage segments are gold partially because of Fandango's somewhat subtle delivery. Unfortunately, clever, low-key comedy works great as TV segments, but the audience, at least last night's, couldn't have given less of a shit about them wrestling. Maybe with a team more over than the Ascension they would've got bigger responses - but I also wasn't a huge fan of the broad comedy that they did at Backlash show and don't want them to revert to it in place of their current comedic style. (I'm probably in the minority with that opinion, though, as many liked their Backlash match...) Â - Mahal/Orton II was good-not-great. If it was the main event of a house show I was attending, I'd be headed to the exit after the Singh Brothers table spots as there'd be no need to see the telegraphed finish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gutenberger Posted June 19, 2017 Report Share Posted June 19, 2017 Booker T dropping a Disco Inferno reference on Talking Smack in 2017... Wow. I find that more irritating than everything else on the show. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NintendoLogic Posted June 19, 2017 Report Share Posted June 19, 2017 The way babyfaces react to screwjob finishes is worse than the finishes themselves. In the past, babyfaces who got screwed over would get their heat back by kicking the heel's ass after the match or at least chasing him back to the dressing room. Nowadays, they just sit there dejectedly while the heel walks away triumphantly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad Dog Posted June 19, 2017 Report Share Posted June 19, 2017 Â Heels cheating to win and/or not lose has been a thing forever of course. When nearly the entire card involves heels winning and the babyfaces are constantly being portrayed as losers who never get the job done it creates a deflating environment for the crowd that just wants to see the people they cheer for have even the briefest moment to celebrate. Throughout WWWFE history, I'd say there are more cards where the heels win and faces look like losers and idiots than the other way around. It's just now, instead of getting mad at the heels for cheating, people get mad at the bookers for booking them to cheat. Â Â I mean your main faces always won though. It was a face territory for a reason. Most MSG cards I've seen has seemed pretty even minus a few oddball cards here and there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stro Posted June 19, 2017 Report Share Posted June 19, 2017 Booker T dropping a Disco Inferno reference on Talking Smack in 2017... Wow. I find that more irritating than everything else on the show. Â WWE would kill to have a midcarder as versatile and permaover as Disco today, you prick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sek69 Posted June 20, 2017 Report Share Posted June 20, 2017 Or they're getting tired of the same old shit and getting mad at the bookers for seemingly not being able to move past worn out crutches to get heat. Â Possibly. Â Â Edit: this was in response to the post where it was suggested folks are just getting mad at the bookers for heels doing heel things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stro Posted June 20, 2017 Report Share Posted June 20, 2017 Or they're getting tired of the same old shit and getting mad at the bookers for seemingly not being able to move past worn out crutches to get heat. Â Possibly. Â Â Edit: this was in response to the post where it was suggested folks are just getting mad at the bookers for heels doing heel things. Â Folks do get mad at the bookers instead of heels now. Online chats about wrestling long, long ago hit critical mass of talking about the writers and writing instead of the characters. Things that 20 years ago would get people talking about what a piece of shit X heel is for doing whatever they did is now "It's not heat on the talent, it's heat on the bookers" navel gazing dumbshit that you'd never get when discussing other TV shows. Â Transposing heat from heels to bookers is how super smarks make it still be real to them in 2017. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coffey Posted June 20, 2017 Report Share Posted June 20, 2017 Transposing heat from heels to bookers is how super smarks make it still be real to them in 2017. Â Don't forget if a heel gets heat but it's someone they don't like, instead of admitting they're a good heel or have good heat, they'll just call it "X-Pac heat." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeteF3 Posted June 20, 2017 Report Share Posted June 20, 2017 In terms of putting heat on the bookers, the WWE has done itself no favors in that regard by basically portraying itself as a heel promotion for the past 19 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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