Microstatistics Posted November 10, 2017 Report Share Posted November 10, 2017 A topic that I thought would complement the MOTYs by year thread well. 1983 - Terry Funk 1984 - El Satanico 1985 - Chigusa Nagayo 1986 - Tatsumi Fujinami 1987 - Tatsumi Fujinami 1988 - Genichiro Tenryu 1989 - Ric Flair (insanely competitive year: Fujiwara, Satanico, Tenryu, Jumbo all up there) 1990 - El Dandy (Fujiwara would have won it in almost any other year) 1991 - Jumbo Tsuruta 1992 - Jushin Liger 1993 - Akira Hokuto 1994 - Aja Kong 1995 - Mitsuharu Misawa 1996 - Volk Han (Ohtani is close) 1997 - Kiyoshi Tamura 1998 - Koji Kanemoto 1999 - Mariko Yoshida 2000 - Shinya Hashimoto 2001 - Steve Austin 2002 - Genichiro Tenryu 2003 - Kenta Kobashi 2004 - Eddie Guerrero 2005 - Samoa Joe 2006 - Bryan Danielson 2007 - Bryan Danielson 2008 - Yuki Ishikawa 2009 - Rey Mysterio Jr. 2010 - Daisuke Ikeda 2011 - Dick Togo 2012 - Negro Casas 2013 - William Regal 2014 - AJ Styles 2015 - Sasha Banks 2016 - Black Terry 2017 - Kazuchika Okada Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerryvonKramer Posted November 10, 2017 Report Share Posted November 10, 2017 1974 - Jack Brisco 1975 - Dory Funk Jr 1976 - Billy Robinson 1977 - Billy Robinson 1978 - Terry Funk 1979 - Pat Patterson 1980 - Ric Flair 1981 - Bob Backlund 1982 - Harley Race 1983 - Nick Bockwinkel 1984 - Tatsumi Fujinami 1985 - Ric Flair 1986 - Ric Flair 1987 - Ric Flair 1988 - Ric Flair 1989 - Ric Flair 1990 - Jumbo Tsuruta 1991 - Jumbo Tsuruta 1992 - Jumbo Tsuruta 1993 - Stan Hansen 1994 - Misawa 1995 - Misawa 1996 - Misawa 1997 - Misawa 1998 - Kobashi 1999 - Kobashi 2000 - Kobashi 2001 - Kobashi 2002 - Kobashi 2003 - Kobashi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rah Posted November 10, 2017 Report Share Posted November 10, 2017 2013 is an interesting pick. From memory Regal only had two matches (both great) but I'd be interested to know why you held him so highly, when I'd give that year to his opponent Cesaro pretty easily. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elliott Posted November 10, 2017 Report Share Posted November 10, 2017 2000 - ? I'm sure some folks from the PWO2K project have some thoughts on this and I'd be interested to see what they come up with. Some decent "usual suspects" candidates like Misawa, Akiyama or Kawada. But I'm sure there are going to be some candidates from CMLL (Satanico, Atlantis, Villano?), BattlARTS (Usual Suspects) and maybe elsewhere? Tajiri? Who else? I know there are some Steve Corino matches I really like from 2000. No one say HHH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soup23 Posted November 10, 2017 Report Share Posted November 10, 2017 Through September my short list includes Villano III, Akiyama, Kobashi, Benoit and...... HHH. Tajiri has been excellent and will be an easy top 10-20 worker for the year but I don't think he has been as varied in his performances as HHH. HHH went from cowardly heel to tough guy in the Foley series, worked a more Ric Flair heel persona vs Rock, has had a great intervweaving feud vs Jericho throughout the year that helped make Jericho credible and then has the Angle stuff that is one of the best angles WWF has done up to Unforgiven. It may not be a popular choice around here but HHH's 2000 absolutely has held up for me as a wonderful year for a performer I at points loathe after this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KB8 Posted November 10, 2017 Report Share Posted November 10, 2017 Kawada is probably the boring pick, but I would've said it was him even before PWO2K and his case has only been bolstered since. Who's second that year is the interesting question to me at this point. Tajiri was unbelievable as this wild little crackpot kicking guys to death and skimming chairs across tables with no regard for spectators' safety, so if nothing else he's my US WOTY. I'm working my way through 2000 so slowly I'm almost going backwards, but from Mexico I think Satanico had been amazing and I haven't even seen the Tarzan Boy cage match yet. Haven't really dived too deeply into the Battlarts yet either, but Ishikawa looks as good as he ever has and Ono feels like a left field pick on the surface, but then you watch him absolutely slaughter folks in ten minute massacres and it's like, why was this guy not the biggest star in Japan? I'll come up with a proper list later. Takeshi Ono - biggest star in Japan - will be there for at least one of the years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soup23 Posted November 10, 2017 Report Share Posted November 10, 2017 1980 - Probably Buddy Rose based on what I have seen 1981 - Bob Backlund 1982 - unsure 1983 - Terry Funk 1984 - El Satanico 1985 - RIc Flair 1986 - Ric Flair 1987 - Ric Flair 1988 - Jumbo Tsuruta 1989 - Ric Flair 1990 - El Dandy 1991 - Jumbo Tsuruta 1992 - Jushin Liger 1993 - Kenta Kobashi 1994 - Aja Kong 1995 - Mitsuharu Misawa 1996 - Mitsuharu Misawa 1997 - Kiyoshi Tamura 1998 - Kenta Kobashi 1999 - Kiyoshi Tamura 2000 - Villano III if year ended today 2001 - Low Ki would be my choice for right now 2002 - Bryan Danielson 2003 - Kenta Kobashi 2004 - Jun Akiyama 2005 - Samoa Joe 2006 - Bryan Danielson 2007 - Bryan Danielson 2008 - fuzzy here 2009 - fuzzy here 2010 - fuzzy here 2011 - Dick Togo 2012 - Negro Casas 2013 - Daniel Bryan 2014 - Cesaro 2015 - AJ Styles 2016 - Chris Hero 2017 (so far) - Kazuchika Okada Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerryvonKramer Posted November 10, 2017 Report Share Posted November 10, 2017 What are these other jobbers putting up against this? Kenta Kobashi vs. Vader (2/27/00) Kenta Kobashi vs. Mitsuharu Misawa (4/11/00) Kenta Kobashi vs. Takao Omori (4/15/00) Kenta Kobashi vs. Yoshihiro Takayama (5/26/00) Kenta Kobashi vs. Jun Akiyama (6/8/00) Kenta Kobashi & Tsuyoshi Kikuchi vs. Jun Akiyama & Yoshihiro Takayama (9/16/00) Kenta Kobashi vs. Jun Akiyama (12/23/00) If someone like Bret Hart had had a single year with even half of those matches wed never hear the end of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superstar Sleeze Posted November 10, 2017 Report Share Posted November 10, 2017 2016 is a slam dunk for AJ. Best calendar year in the US since Flair in 89. AJ should probably win 2014 & 15 and 2009. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soup23 Posted November 10, 2017 Report Share Posted November 10, 2017 Akiyama has better matches with Misawa and Vader than Kobashi in 2000. More variety in shifting to a heel persona in NOAH too. Kobashi may get nod over him just on strength of Takayama match and the Johnny Smith match which I loved but its close between the two. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetlag Posted November 10, 2017 Report Share Posted November 10, 2017 Kawada has that dream match against Sasaki in the dome and an MOTDC against Tenryu. Also an excellent underrated match against good old Fuchi and that yuuge interpromotional tag against Nagata and Iizuka in December. Not the best year for the black and yellow destroyer but I'll take it over Kobashi and Akiyama trying to figure out how to work in a green ring. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NintendoLogic Posted November 10, 2017 Report Share Posted November 10, 2017 I actually thought the Sasaki and Tenryu matches were pretty awful the last time I watched them. "I'll stand here and let you hit me and then you stand there and let me hit you" wrestling will never appeal to me on any level. I do really like the tag match at the first post-split Budokan show, though. Overall, I'd give the nod to Akiyama in 2000 on the strength of the Misawa and Vader matches. Kobashi is up there as well, but his best match that year was against Akiyama. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WingedEagle Posted November 10, 2017 Report Share Posted November 10, 2017 What are these other jobbers putting up against this? Kenta Kobashi vs. Vader (2/27/00) Kenta Kobashi vs. Mitsuharu Misawa (4/11/00) Kenta Kobashi vs. Takao Omori (4/15/00) Kenta Kobashi vs. Yoshihiro Takayama (5/26/00) Kenta Kobashi vs. Jun Akiyama (6/8/00) Kenta Kobashi & Tsuyoshi Kikuchi vs. Jun Akiyama & Yoshihiro Takayama (9/16/00) Kenta Kobashi vs. Jun Akiyama (12/23/00) If someone like Bret Hart had had a single year with even half of those matches wed never hear the end of it. Akiyama has the Misawa & Kobashi matches headlining his resume, but I'm not sure I can make a case for him bumping Kobashi here, especially given that he's got my runaway MOTY for 2000. 2016 is a slam dunk for AJ. Best calendar year in the US since Flair in 89. AJ should probably win 2014 & 15 and 2009. Very much agree on AJ's 2016. Just out of this world and a legit all time year. Would have to look things over, but you don't think Danielson's run in '06 rises to that level? Its the only other year that came to mind on the domestic side, but haven't looked back at the lists for a close comparison. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerryvonKramer Posted November 10, 2017 Report Share Posted November 10, 2017 Akiyama has better matches with Misawa and Vader than Kobashi in 2000. More variety in shifting to a heel persona in NOAH too. Kobashi may get nod over him just on strength of Takayama match and the Johnny Smith match which I loved but its close between the two. Any shot for Villano III? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superstar Sleeze Posted November 11, 2017 Report Share Posted November 11, 2017 What are these other jobbers putting up against this? Kenta Kobashi vs. Vader (2/27/00) Kenta Kobashi vs. Mitsuharu Misawa (4/11/00) Kenta Kobashi vs. Takao Omori (4/15/00) Kenta Kobashi vs. Yoshihiro Takayama (5/26/00) Kenta Kobashi vs. Jun Akiyama (6/8/00) Kenta Kobashi & Tsuyoshi Kikuchi vs. Jun Akiyama & Yoshihiro Takayama (9/16/00) Kenta Kobashi vs. Jun Akiyama (12/23/00) If someone like Bret Hart had had a single year with even half of those matches wed never hear the end of it. Akiyama has the Misawa & Kobashi matches headlining his resume, but I'm not sure I can make a case for him bumping Kobashi here, especially given that he's got my runaway MOTY for 2000. 2016 is a slam dunk for AJ. Best calendar year in the US since Flair in 89. AJ should probably win 2014 & 15 and 2009. Very much agree on AJ's 2016. Just out of this world and a legit all time year. Would have to look things over, but you don't think Danielson's run in '06 rises to that level? Its the only other year that came to mind on the domestic side, but haven't looked back at the lists for a close comparison. My ROH watching is very sketchy admittedly. Within American wrestling that's my biggest blindspot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WingedEagle Posted November 11, 2017 Report Share Posted November 11, 2017 What are these other jobbers putting up against this? Kenta Kobashi vs. Vader (2/27/00) Kenta Kobashi vs. Mitsuharu Misawa (4/11/00) Kenta Kobashi vs. Takao Omori (4/15/00) Kenta Kobashi vs. Yoshihiro Takayama (5/26/00) Kenta Kobashi vs. Jun Akiyama (6/8/00) Kenta Kobashi & Tsuyoshi Kikuchi vs. Jun Akiyama & Yoshihiro Takayama (9/16/00) Kenta Kobashi vs. Jun Akiyama (12/23/00) If someone like Bret Hart had had a single year with even half of those matches wed never hear the end of it. Akiyama has the Misawa & Kobashi matches headlining his resume, but I'm not sure I can make a case for him bumping Kobashi here, especially given that he's got my runaway MOTY for 2000. 2016 is a slam dunk for AJ. Best calendar year in the US since Flair in 89. AJ should probably win 2014 & 15 and 2009. Very much agree on AJ's 2016. Just out of this world and a legit all time year. Would have to look things over, but you don't think Danielson's run in '06 rises to that level? Its the only other year that came to mind on the domestic side, but haven't looked back at the lists for a close comparison. My ROH watching is very sketchy admittedly. Within American wrestling that's my biggest blindspot. its more than worth going back with a particular focus, whether Danielson, AJ, Joe, or even more broadly the promotion's best matches over the years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soup23 Posted November 11, 2017 Report Share Posted November 11, 2017 Akiyama has better matches with Misawa and Vader than Kobashi in 2000. More variety in shifting to a heel persona in NOAH too. Kobashi may get nod over him just on strength of Takayama match and the Johnny Smith match which I loved but its close between the two. Any shot for Villano III? Akiyama, Kobashi and Kawada have a shot at the #1 slot. All three pay an integral role in the final portion of the year and have marquee matches to help build their case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Microstatistics Posted November 13, 2017 Author Report Share Posted November 13, 2017 2013 is an interesting pick. From memory Regal only had two matches (both great) but I'd be interested to know why you held him so highly, when I'd give that year to his opponent Cesaro pretty easily. Yeah I just gave it to Regal on the strength of the Ohno and Cesaro matches and his individual performances. A usual suspect pick like Casas or Bryan should probably take it but I have some viewing gaps. For 2000 I had created an ongoing 2000 WOTY thread. My current contenders for #1 are Hashimoto, Ishikawa, Satanico, Aja, Akiyama and Kobashi. I actually thought the Sasaki and Tenryu matches were pretty awful the last time I watched them. "I'll stand here and let you hit me and then you stand there and let me hit you" wrestling will never appeal to me on any level. I do really like the tag match at the first post-split Budokan show, though. I thought the Tenryu match was really good but I'll agree the Sasaki match was quite terrible. 2016 is a slam dunk for AJ. Best calendar year in the US since Flair in 89. AJ should probably win 2014 & 15 and 2009. Very much agree on AJ's 2016. Just out of this world and a legit all time year. Would have to look things over, but you don't think Danielson's run in '06 rises to that level? Its the only other year that came to mind on the domestic side, but haven't looked back at the lists for a close comparison. I'd say, stateside, Austin 2001, Joe 2005 and Danielson 2006 are much better than Styles 2016. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boss Rock Posted November 24, 2017 Report Share Posted November 24, 2017 Work in progress here: 1986: Stan Hansen 1987: 1988: Stan Hansen 1989: Ric Flair 1990: Jumbo Tsuruta 1991: 1992: 1993: 1994: Mitsuharu Misawa 1995: Mitsuharu Misawa 1996: Mitsuharu Misawa 1997: 1998: Kenta Kobashi 1999: 2000: Kenta Kobashi 2001: 2002: 2003: 2004: Kenta Kobashi 2005: A.J. Styles 2006: Bryan Danielson 2007: John Cena 2008: Bryan Danielson 2009: Rey Mysterio 2010: 2011: 2012: 2013: Daniel Bryan 2014: A.J. Styles 2015: A.J. Styles 2016: A.J. Styles 2017 (so far): Kenny Omega Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shodate Posted March 17, 2018 Report Share Posted March 17, 2018 My list 84 Fujiwara 85 Nagayao 86 Choshu 87 Dump 88 Takada 89 Flair 90 Jumbo 91 Maeda 92 Misawa 93 Han 94 Yamamoto 95 Kawada 96 Toyota 97 Kaoru 98 Tamura 99 Ishikawa /Ito '00 Atlantis '01 Tenryu '02 Virus '03 Kobashi '04 Kobashi '05 KENTA '06 Dragon '07 Dragon '08 Nigel 09' Tamura '10 Black Terry 11 Fujimoto 12 Kana 13 Ohata '14 Miyahara 15 Miyahara '16 Nakajima 17 Fujiwara Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rah Posted March 17, 2018 Report Share Posted March 17, 2018 What 2002 Virus matches should I be hunting down? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shodate Posted March 17, 2018 Report Share Posted March 17, 2018 What 2002 Virus matches should I be hunting down? none, in particular, has was just in so consistent Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cap Posted March 21, 2018 Report Share Posted March 21, 2018 Wrong Thread - oops Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShittyLittleBoots Posted March 24, 2018 Report Share Posted March 24, 2018 2004 - Samoa Joe 2005 - KENTA 2006 - Bryan Danielson 2007 - Bryan Danielson 2008 - Bryan Danielson 2009 - Bryan Danielson 2010 - Bryan Danielson/Daniel Bryan2011 - El Generico2012 - Daniel Bryan2013 - Daniel Bryan 2014 - AJ Styles 2015 - Roderick Strong 2016 - Chris Hero2017 - Zack Sabre Jr. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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