Ridiculous quotes from WO.com columnists

[sek69]

To me it seems like they are trying to book Cena as if he was the Rock, where it didn't matter (no pun intended) who he jobbed to since he would be able to get his heat back and then some just by cutting a promo. I like Cena more than most since I realize a lot of what people hate about him is a result of shitty writing rather than anything he himself does, but even I don't see him at that level.

[kjh]

The odd thing is that he wasn't booked like that pre pec tear.

[jdw]

To protect the top spots of certain people on top.

 

John

Cena not being as protected as DX doesn't seem to be an example of the problem of parity booking.

 

Cena working an opening match at 2008 Judgement Day isn't parity booking either.

There are people in the company who don't care abou protecting Cena, and frankly would like to see him go away like Rock. So him getting kneecapped fits into my point. Parity booking *and* kneecapping are two sides of same mindset in the highest reaches of WWE Creative.

 

The kneecapping doesn't always work. Didn't with Rock. Didn't always work with Foley. Hasn't entirely with Cena.

 

There have been some others like Edge or Jeff Hardy where it may not have worked well. On the other hand, neither of them got to the level that Cena did in this era, nor of course to where Rock and Foley did. It's been effective in avoiding enough folks to move up to make Trip irrelevant.

 

John

[tomk]

It's about Todd being too much of a pompous blowhard to admit that he misread people's familiarity with an old TV show

The real issue isn't what celebrities Martin recognizes versus which he doesn't.

 

It doesn't matter.

 

http://www.variety.com/article/VR111800733...yId=14&cs=1

 

McMahon said. "By bringing in the celebrities, we're saying, 'If it's OK for them, it's OK for you too.' "

The celebrities are a way of saying “hey we’re not some entertainment ghetto separate from the rest of the celebrity circuit.” It doesn’t matter who the actual celebritires are. The actual celebrity on a variety show doesn’t matter.

 

In the 80s what percentage of the audience watching The Love Boat knew who Pearl Bailey was? What percentage recognized Theodore Bikel, Red Buttons, or Cyd Charrise? You turn on the Love Boat and you know that you’’ll get Hollywood stars of yesteryear and up and coming current ones. No one opened their Tv guide and went “Normally I don’t watch the Love Boat but oh shit Morey Amsterdam and Scattman Crothers are going to be on this week”.

 

You tune in to see a variety show with a celebrity (who that celebrity is doesn’t matter).

 

SNL is probably closer to the model Mcmahon is going for than The Love Boat.

This is an amusing orgthoery.net discussion of Saturday Night Live:

 

http://orgtheory.wordpress.com/2009/12/09/...age-can-comedy/

[Cox]

From this week's Figure Four Weekly review on the Royal Rumble: (for those who didn't watch, Punk started off the Rumble by eliminating everybody in the ring and cutting his usual Straight Edge promo during the downtime)

 

If Jeff wasn't in so much trouble it would have been awesome for Punk to eliminate like four guys just like this, preach a bit every time, and then the fifth guy would be Jeff who would eliminate him immediately.

Then a little bit later:

 

I thought for sure Jeff had to be next but instead it was HHH. He took his sweet time getting to the ring. They brawled a bit, then Drew McIntye was next in. Punk went for the GTS on Hunter, but he blocked it and just tossed Punk outside like a dork. This should not surprise anyone, but Jesus, talk about killing a guy's heat completely.

So Punk being eliminated right away by Jeff Hardy is awesome, but Punk fighting HHH for a bit before getting dumped makes him look like a dork?

[Wahoos Leg]

Punk got to cut not just one promo in the middle of the Rumble, but THREE. If that doesn't show how highly he ranks in WWE right now, I am not sure what does.

[kjh]

I think it was dumber to even dream that Jeff could turn up with all his ongoing legal problems.

[S.L.L.]

And his ongoing employment by TNA. As the kids say, "epic fail".

[Cox]

Actually, they are saying that Hardy isn't under a TNA contract, which is why he hasn't made an appearance since the first show.

[S.L.L.]

Actually, they are saying that Hardy isn't under a TNA contract, which is why he hasn't made an appearance since the first show.

I thought he hadn't made any more appearances because he was indicted the day after his debut, but still, kinda figured he wasn't just going to show up for a one-shot and then head straight back to the WWE.

[kjh]

Well, WWE were supposed to be really annoyed when he turned up on Impact, so S.L.L. is right that's another reason why he wouldn't turn up at the Rumble.

[artDDP]

So Punk being eliminated right away by Jeff Hardy is awesome, but Punk fighting HHH for a bit before getting dumped makes him look like a dork?

I guess a fair explanation is that when Hardy left he was still a hot act and Hunter just does this sort of thing every time someone new gets over.

[Bix]

Guess who's still trying and failing to insult Greg Oliver and me?

 

With all due respect to Greg Oliver, there’s a lot to be said about the video snippets of crazed, costumed and self-important web site types (well, if having a myspace page constitutes a true web site.)

I'm not sure what he even meant there.

[Dan]

Was nosing around google groups and found this mildly amusing post from 1995:

 

This may seem stupid, but the only thing I really mark out over is...

 

Yokozuna.

 

That's right, ol' Yoko'll be sitting in the corner, panting as if he's

about to have a heart attack, with his opponent lying dead center in

the middle of the ring. All of a sudden, 'Zuna will take two or three

steps and BOOM!!!! Drop that big, huge leg across the guy's face. For

some reason, this ALWAYS makes me mark out. I don't know why. And

it's only Yoko, and it's only his big power moves like his belly to

belly.

 

Other favorite Yoko moments:

 

1. During SummerSlam vs. Lex Luger, he did a f***ing AWESOME back

suplex to Luger that caused the Total Package to do Hogan gyrations on

the mat! Total mark-out!

 

2. During King of the Ring vs. Hogan, the photographer burns Hogan's

face. Yoko takes this opportunity to CRUSH the Yellow Bastard with his

own Legdrop of Doom. You guys can all talk about your damn ladder

matches and whatever else, but in my opinion, this was the single

greatest moment in WWF history.

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[kjh]

Guess who's still trying and failing to insult Greg Oliver and me?

 

With all due respect to Greg Oliver, there’s a lot to be said about the video snippets of crazed, costumed and self-important web site types (well, if having a myspace page constitutes a true web site.)

I'm not sure what he even meant there.

I got the sense from the article that he was grouping you and Greg Oliver in with the "nattering nabobs of negativity" that pervaded the YouShoot DVD. I must admit I did get a kick out of Joe Babinsack marking out for a delusional ol' carny like Bob Holly, partly because he's experienced these vocal internet critics himself. Got a kick out of him implicitly burying Meltzer's reporting in the Observer on the evidence of a 115 minute "shoot" interview too.

[S.L.L.]

I was disappointed with how sane Babbysack was in that review, but if you stick around to the very end....

 

Remember, my book Pro Wrestling Intellectual is available on amazon.com. It’s all about getting the mainstream fans to think a lot more positively about pro wrestling.

So, if you were still wondering what the hell that book was supposed to accomplish, it's inexplicably that. And probably something involving Marxism.

[Bix]

So is he saying the WWE fans hate WWE?

[kjh]

He makes it sound like a self help book for self loathing WWE addicts anonymous, though I think what he means is that he wants to use his book to enlighten mainstream fans to the error of their ways and so they too can learn that there is a big wide world of indy wrestling out there that is so much better than WWE.

[kjh]

Guess who's still trying and failing to insult Greg Oliver and me?

 

With all due respect to Greg Oliver, there’s a lot to be said about the video snippets of crazed, costumed and self-important web site types (well, if having a myspace page constitutes a true web site.)

I'm not sure what he even meant there.

Joe Babinsack's latest column.

 

Turns out he meant Sean Oliver, the interviewer/announcer of Kayfabe Commentaries, which makes sense.

 

I'm highly amused at him watching an indy wrestling DVD called Hot Summer Rubdown and complaining that it featured a wrestler rubbing oil on himself while other guys "wrestle" and one guy pretends to be drunk and exposes his ass. I mean what did he expect. Even better is him restoring a sense of dignity to his fandom after that by watching Shimmer.

[Boondocks Kernoodle]

I was amused by the Sack's Lizzy Borden reference. For those who don't know, a few weeks ago Dave in the WON referred to Lizzy Valentine as the porn star wife of Rob Black. Then he printed a retraction in the next Daily News Update saying he meant Lizzy Borden. And then he made the same mistake the next week.

[Bix]

By the way, is it just me, or does anyone else believe that Vince is going to erase Bret Hart from the collective memory of the fans, just like he has accomplished with ECW???

The wrestling cow (costume, not barnyard animal) and the wrestling bear (costume, not barnyard animal) are cute gimmicks. Watching guys more concerned with replacing the fallen bear head of the costume is drop-dead funny, but man, I respect wrestling, and I don’t like laughing at it.

 

[insert Vince Russo cheap shot joke here]

 

Watching assorted Zombie gimmicks had its moments, but wow, this DVD was way too much into a slow-motion pace and a lack of display of pure wrestling talent (Kevin Steen cracking DVD’s over Player Uno’s head was unique, but hardly a spectacular use of his talents; El Generico just has it, but in a six-man with Zombies?!?)

[Bob Morris]

By the way, is it just me, or does anyone else believe that Vince is going to erase Bret Hart from the collective memory of the fans, just like he has accomplished with ECW???

The wrestling cow (costume, not barnyard animal) and the wrestling bear (costume, not barnyard animal) are cute gimmicks. Watching guys more concerned with replacing the fallen bear head of the costume is drop-dead funny, but man, I respect wrestling, and I don’t like laughing at it.

 

[insert Vince Russo cheap shot joke here]

 

Watching assorted Zombie gimmicks had its moments, but wow, this DVD was way too much into a slow-motion pace and a lack of display of pure wrestling talent (Kevin Steen cracking DVD’s over Player Uno’s head was unique, but hardly a spectacular use of his talents; El Generico just has it, but in a six-man with Zombies?!?)

Wow, he must done have a great job of keeping a straight face during Bang 3:16, Rock promos, the Jim Cornette/Paul E. tuxedo match and other moments in which pro wrestling presented comedy done properly.

 

And as for the Bret Hart comment, I guess that means he believes the Hart Family DVD has already been scrapped and you can _really_ forget about Stu Hart going into the WWE HOF.

[Loss]

Comedy is really terrible in general unless it's funny.

[kjh]

Wow, he must done have a great job of keeping a straight face during Bang 3:16, Rock promos, the Jim Cornette/Paul E. tuxedo match and other moments in which pro wrestling presented comedy done properly.

And you can go much further back than that. I mean Babinsack grew up watching Lou Albano promos, so him acting like comedy has no place in the serious art form of professional wrestling is strange.

[Eduardo]

Dave Meltzer earlier today:

 

"Speaking of Kerry Von Erich, he was the object of discussion at a press conference today with Urijah Faber. For the record, he truly believes I’m the first person in his life say he looks like Kerry Von Erich. And he doesn’t know who Kerry Von Erich is, but when I said it, all sorts of people jumped up and said, 'Yeah, he does.'"

 

Is Dave the only guy in the world that goes up to modern MMA stars at press conferences and tells them they look like 1980s regional pro wrestling stars?