MoS Posted December 11, 2019 Report Share Posted December 11, 2019 Please, wrestling gods, let MJF cut a full-blooded promo. Surely watching Roman literally being given dog shit to work with is worth that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoS Posted December 12, 2019 Author Report Share Posted December 12, 2019 It's really amazing how over Cody is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goodhelmet Posted December 12, 2019 Report Share Posted December 12, 2019 I really like the way they set up this tag match. Logical. Unconventional. Allows B&B to shine without going 50/50 with the other team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jiraffejustin Posted December 12, 2019 Report Share Posted December 12, 2019 I have some problems with this match, but this is damn fun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jiraffejustin Posted December 12, 2019 Report Share Posted December 12, 2019 It's so nice to watch a wrestling show with an invested crowd. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sek69 Posted December 12, 2019 Report Share Posted December 12, 2019 Cody and MJF really have that Hogan/Piper dynamic that should push both of them to be huge stars. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goodhelmet Posted December 12, 2019 Report Share Posted December 12, 2019 I wouldnt go that far lol. I love their dynamic but it isn't legendary... yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goodhelmet Posted December 12, 2019 Report Share Posted December 12, 2019 Ok, I don't care what anyone says... I loved the Freddy Mercury cat reference. For those who don't know, Freddy Mercury left a huge sum of money for the care of his cats. He wrote songs about them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sek69 Posted December 12, 2019 Report Share Posted December 12, 2019 3 minutes ago, goodhelmet said: I wouldnt go that far lol. I love their dynamic but it isn't legendary... yet. Of course it's not there yet, but they have that same dynamic where both bring out the best in each other. Cody's been great on his own but the one thing a great hero needs is a great villain pushing him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goodhelmet Posted December 12, 2019 Report Share Posted December 12, 2019 Cody has been great with everyone. I'm not giving MJFany piper status until the feud plays out. If we get a bleeding ear, dog collar match, I will change my mind. This women's match was way too long for TV. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goodhelmet Posted December 12, 2019 Report Share Posted December 12, 2019 Shawn Spears... not over. Time to put this experiment out of its misery and let Tully move on to greener pastures. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sek69 Posted December 12, 2019 Report Share Posted December 12, 2019 10 minutes ago, goodhelmet said: Shawn Spears... not over. Time to put this experiment out of its misery and let Tully move on to greener pastures. I sense this is what is being built with Tully looking for a partner for Spears, they find someone then Tully turns on him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goodhelmet Posted December 12, 2019 Report Share Posted December 12, 2019 I think you're right but the problem is that is time wasted that could be invested somewhere else. No point in setting up something no one will care about. That tag match lasted way too long for two marquee names vs. two nobodies. I hope this show picks up. With a little more than a half hour left, by far my least favorite episode yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badlittlekitten Posted December 12, 2019 Report Share Posted December 12, 2019 Every match must go long. Or it’s a squash. There’s no inbetween. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Log Posted December 12, 2019 Report Share Posted December 12, 2019 6 minutes ago, goodhelmet said: I hope this show picks up. With a little more than a half hour left, by far my least favorite episode yet. Wel, if you’re a fan of Sammy Guevara’s ass cheeks, you’re in luck! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goodhelmet Posted December 12, 2019 Report Share Posted December 12, 2019 14 minutes ago, Log said: Wel, if you’re a fan of Sammy Guevara’s ass cheeks, you’re in luck! That match was a mess. I have really enjoyed Guevara overall but Luchasaurus sold way too much for him it was sloppy as hell too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoS Posted December 12, 2019 Author Report Share Posted December 12, 2019 They are becoming better at getting videos and vignettes in the show. There was no need for the matches to go as long as they did though. It takes away the special feeling from their main events. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stiva Posted December 12, 2019 Report Share Posted December 12, 2019 They're so close to getting the balance right, they really are. I really dug the first 45 minutes with the Jericho/Moxley promo bleeding into the Cody tag and then the MJF promo. It felt like they got over 3/4 things at once with interweaving threads and intrigue for next week. And then everything kind of ground to a halt. Sabian and Ford joining the Janela/Spears feud makes some degree of sense and God know it needs something to heat it up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoS Posted December 12, 2019 Author Report Share Posted December 12, 2019 I thought this was a really strong episode. There were some acts that were underwhelming, but everything was booked with a purpose, and every match/angle progressed something. Luchasaurus-Guevera was not great but Jericho on commentary was gold, as was the post-match angle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
War is Raw Posted December 13, 2019 Report Share Posted December 13, 2019 Jon Moxley vs. Alex Reynolds/Chris Jericho recruiting Moxley started with 870,000 Cody & QT Marshall vs. Butcher & Blade lost 48,000 MJF promo/Dark Order vignette lost 8,000 Big Swole vs. Emi Sakura/Pac promo lost 18,000 Omega & Adam Page vs. Joey Janela & Shawn Spears lost 14,000 overall but gained 3,000 in the 18-49 demo Ending of the Omega tag match/Brandi Rhodes/Sammy Guevara vs. Luchasaurus (Jericho on color) lost 10,000 overall but gained 10,000 in 18-49 End of Guevara vs. Luchasaurus and Jericho/Jungle Boy post-match angle lost 87,000 Young Bucks vs. Santana & Ortiz lost 2,000 but stayed even in 18-49 Final 683,000 Women and teenagers anemic. 18-49 declining week to week. AEW won without the overrun and Spectrum Cable blackout. AEW viewers switched to NXT before the last quarter. Looking forward to Week 52 to see if any of the under 28s and Elite are over. And by over, I mean guaranteed total gainers, like Moxley. AEW gets around 150K-200K DVR viewers who watch another time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sek69 Posted December 13, 2019 Report Share Posted December 13, 2019 One thing that's been clear so far is NXT has trained folks to wait until the overrun to watch their main events. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoS Posted December 14, 2019 Author Report Share Posted December 14, 2019 I am all in for a Mox ace run as champ. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dale Wolfe Posted December 14, 2019 Report Share Posted December 14, 2019 Its strange watching this and knowing the ratings breakdown from earlier in the thread. I had that luchasaurus match on- not bad- and you find yourself trying to figure out where it was that people thought "fuck this" ha Not a great show by any means- i dont think i can do 2 hour shows anymore to be honest- but Moxley as ace makes more sense than most Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El-P Posted December 14, 2019 Report Share Posted December 14, 2019 The "issue" with Luchasaurus, and I knew that already because I've seen him in several different context, is that although he has a great look and really cool character, he's simply not a guy who's gonna have a great single match at this point. He's a big guy who does cool spots, and there's something a wee bit too choregraphed in some of his stuff (his sequences of kicks for instance reminds me of Stan Lane), lacking intensity or even intent. So yeah, not surprised about this match not clicking. That's the issue with some of these AEW guys, is that they need the ring time to get better, but they will only get the ring time on TV, so they have to put longer matches that may not click that well at first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El-P Posted December 14, 2019 Report Share Posted December 14, 2019 BTW if anyone wonders who is the new Dark host Lexi Nair, she's DDP's daughter (well, the daughter of his wife). She has done one DDPY video so I knew her from there. Speaking of which, that Big Swole video was straight out of DDPY's Motivational Monday videos… This stuff has DDP's fingers all over it (and yeah Tony mentionned they were taping at DDPY). Which is kinda cool I guess, although I'm always on the fence about this stuff tbh. I'm more of a fan of out there stuff (like Catrina the immortal bruja) rather than "real people" in the end. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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