Al Posted January 16, 2008 Report Share Posted January 16, 2008 But honestly, I'm tired of talking about this too. I don't know why I don't feel bad about everything in wrestling. Maybe because I never worshiped Chris Benoit or Eddie Guerrero like demi-gods in the first place. I'll pull one or two phrases from your apologist bingo card and let it be. The men in the wrestling business are responsible for their own decisions, and they are the ones who must make the changes needed. Fans can do little short of boycotting wrestling events and merchandise, though I doubt that will make much of a difference. I don't pretend that problems do not exist in the wrestling business. I choose not to let it effect my enjoyment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdw Posted January 16, 2008 Report Share Posted January 16, 2008 I'll pull one or two phrases from your apologist bingo card and let it be. The men in power in Congress, the Courts and the States are responsible for their own decisions on Slavery, and they are the ones who must make the changes needed. Since simply voting doesn't change anything, voters can do little short of taking up arms, though I doubt that will make much of a difference. I don't pretend that problems do not exist in the Slavery business. I choose not to let it effect my enjoyment wearing nice cotton t-shirts. Fixed. John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smkelly Posted January 16, 2008 Report Share Posted January 16, 2008 ...will this ever end? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Posted January 16, 2008 Report Share Posted January 16, 2008 ...will this ever end?Yeah, I'm done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boondocks Kernoodle Posted January 16, 2008 Report Share Posted January 16, 2008 If Al Keiper doesn't let all the scandal and sleaze in wrestling affect his enjoyment of it, that's fine, but why does he feel the need to defend WWE and downplay the significance of wrestling's drig problems whenever the subject is brought up here or at TSM? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S.L.L. Posted January 16, 2008 Report Share Posted January 16, 2008 But honestly, I'm tired of talking about this too. I don't know why I don't feel bad about everything in wrestling. Maybe because I never worshiped Chris Benoit or Eddie Guerrero like demi-gods in the first place. I'll pull one or two phrases from your apologist bingo card and let it be. The men in the wrestling business are responsible for their own decisions, and they are the ones who must make the changes needed. Fans can do little short of boycotting wrestling events and merchandise, though I doubt that will make much of a difference. I don't pretend that problems do not exist in the wrestling business. I choose not to let it effect my enjoyment. Okay, THAT'S Bingo. The second gives us B3, so second place comes if he brings up the dangers inherent in other sports and media sensationalism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Posted January 16, 2008 Report Share Posted January 16, 2008 Seriously, can anyone here engage in discussion without being a complete douchebag about it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smkelly Posted January 16, 2008 Report Share Posted January 16, 2008 At least J.R didn't call Jeff's swanton a Twist of Fate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S.L.L. Posted January 16, 2008 Report Share Posted January 16, 2008 Seriously, can anyone here engage in discussion without being a complete douchebag about it? Sure, but what you're saying doesn't really merit it. Besides, I thought you were done with this thread? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bix Posted January 16, 2008 Report Share Posted January 16, 2008 "Eddy Guerrero was clean when he died" needs a space on the bingo card. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdw Posted January 16, 2008 Report Share Posted January 16, 2008 Need something on Pillman being clean when he died as well. I recall Madden going on a bender when someone mentioned Pillman being strung out as he spiraled out of control. John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S.L.L. Posted January 16, 2008 Report Share Posted January 16, 2008 In hindsight, I probably should've gone with a 7x7 card. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bix Posted January 16, 2008 Report Share Posted January 16, 2008 Back to the topic of Jim Ross, the newest WON has the latest Jim Ross as Vince McMahon's doormat stories: - On JR's birthday, WWE.com was instructed to misreport his age as 63, a year older than Vince (he's actually 56). - Then, at Raw, they sent out Big Dick Johnson to spray JR with champagne because he flying straight from the show to the Fiesta Bowl without a change of clothes so he would have to fly while reeking of alcohol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdw Posted January 16, 2008 Report Share Posted January 16, 2008 Yeah... Dave was in a mood to talk about Jimbo in that issue and get a lot of things off his chest. And I love how Dave has kicked up the "Trip's the Most Hated Man In the WWE" talk ever since Trip didn't put his foot down and insist on jobbing to Our Hero Ric so that all the Flair Fans out there could get one more Memorable Flair Moment to cherish deep in their heart after Ric retires. John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bix Posted January 16, 2008 Report Share Posted January 16, 2008 He had already started it up again when Jericho came back. Plus, given the Flair angle and the fact that it was in Greensboro, yes, he should've gotten a clean-ish win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdw Posted January 16, 2008 Report Share Posted January 16, 2008 He had already started it up again when Jericho came back. It was there, but it seems to have kicked up a notch as a point that he feels needs to be made strongly. Plus, given the Flair angle and the fact that it was in Greensboro, yes, he should've gotten a clean-ish win. I wouldn't disagree with that, except that the finish surprised no one, including Dave. Since it was so expected, it really didn't need anything beyond a sentence: "It would have been good for the angle and nice for the fans to see Flair go over clean-ish, but we all knew that wasn't going to happen." It getting run into the ground for several issues is overkill. The whole thing about how it just set up Regal to get squashed by Trip... eh. John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomk Posted January 18, 2008 Report Share Posted January 18, 2008 Latest Observer has the number of dates each guy in WWE worked last year with HHH working something like 50 matches and fucking Tommy Dreamer being in the top 15 of guys working most dates. And really the Trip as "Most Hated Man"talk started out of that enviroment. As it started way before the Jericho stuff. My impression is Meltz' general like of HHH's work normally softens whatever stuff people leak to him but once HHH went down you had enviroment where he was still booking stuff to keep himself strong (keep others weak) while not actually wrestling and well nothing to cushion against who ever was leaking his latest asshole move. Also I imagine guy who isn't actually wrestling still fucking shit up is going to make Meltzer's sources more vehement and angry. Trip as most hated stuff really started back up while Trip was down. Edge really happy to be going to Smackdown because everyone knows that being on RAW means your nothing but meat for Trip---Trip organizing to have him jobbed on the way out, Booker being brought to RAW and demanding to be in booking meetings because he knows being on RAW means that he's nothing but meat for Trip but wants to keep Trip from talking behind his back...yadda yadda. Really can't remember Meltz reporting stories of wrestlers not wanting to be on RAW till Trip went down. Don't remember Meltz really acknowledging the degree to which being on RAW meant that you couldn't expect better than to be fodder for Trip till Trip went down. Meltz reported both of these points as though they were conventional wisdom---"everyone knows what being on RAw means"....as though he's been reporting that for years. All the Jericho/Flair "Trip as most hated" stuff just feels part and parcell to Meltzer's reporting on Trip when he went down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smkelly Posted January 18, 2008 Report Share Posted January 18, 2008 Eh. The Triple H hate is old news. I've never really understood why everyone is always riding his jock, putting him down, or whatever. He's a business man, pure and simple. As long as he gets his cut, his pay day, his big chested wife to play with, he's happy. Sounds like any mans wet dream. I can't rationally blame the guy for what he does. Plenty of other wrestlers have down the same, with some to a much more extreme, and some far less. Guys like Flair, Hogan, Lawler, Rhodes, Jarrett, Angle, Nash, Hall, Misawa, Muto, Inoki, Santo, Goldberg, Gagne, 'Taker, Austin, Luger, Sting, Michaels, and the list could literally go on, and on, they've all done it. Like I said, some were worse than others, most notably Gagne and Inoki, but some were far less, like Sting and Hall. Basically, the gist of what I'm saying is simple: Triple H is looking out for number one, being greedy in the process, pissing off the fans, and making sure he keeps getting his large paydays. Every man has his price, and Mr. H has sold his soul to ensure he remains at the top until he chooses to step down. He's doing what every person secretly wishes they could do, control their own life and destiny. I know I do, but the chances are, I never will. I congratulate Triple H, but do I personally enjoy the bullshit politics, continious backstabbing, no I do not. I do however, understand it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingus Posted January 18, 2008 Report Share Posted January 18, 2008 Guys like Flair, Hogan, Lawler, Jarrett, Nash, Hall, Misawa, Muto, Inoki, Santo, Goldberg, Gagne, 'Taker, Austin, Luger, Sting, Michaels, and the list could literally go on, and on, they've all done it. Like I said, some were worse than others, most notably Gagne and Inoki, but some were far less, like Sting and Hall.The difference is, Triple H is the one doing it now. If Dusty were still pushing himself, I'm sure that people would still be bitching about him. The one that confounds me is Nash. I'm still amazed that he actually main-evented multiple PPVs in the year 2007 with his grey hair and crippled knees. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smkelly Posted January 18, 2008 Report Share Posted January 18, 2008 He's a master politician. He should be running this country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loss Posted January 18, 2008 Author Report Share Posted January 18, 2008 No one ever said HHH wasn't smart, and no one has really expressed anger at HHH in this thread either. It's more of a case of stating the obvious, and just pointing out that wrestlers don't really like him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdw Posted January 24, 2008 Report Share Posted January 24, 2008 Dave had the Cruise vs. Ross stuff in the WON this week. Quoted Ross' desire to clean up the business... with no additional comment. If it were a certain SmackDown play-by-play man who (i) made those comments, and (ii) had that great Beyond The Mat quote... Dave would have put a boot up his ass. Since it's Jimbo, not comment needed. I wonder if Dave has said even 5 things critical of Ross in this entire *decade*. We're 8+ years into it... but even five critical things seems like a stretch. John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bix Posted May 24, 2008 Report Share Posted May 24, 2008 http://www.jrsbarbq.com/2008/05/24/jrs-ramblings/ So the WWE settles out of court with a wrestling promoter in Memphis over Jerry Lawler not wrestling Hulk in Memphis some time back. This lawsuit, in my opinion, was a joke from the get go and apparently the WWE settled to simply move on. I can’t blame them for that. The promoter most likely made more cash in the legal settlement than he would have if Lawler had wrestled Hogan. The King himself thought the lawsuit was ridiculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boondocks Kernoodle Posted May 24, 2008 Report Share Posted May 24, 2008 Haha. WWE doesn't settle "to move on" unless they know they aren't winning. If they thought the lawsuit was a joke, no way they would have paid up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Morris Posted May 24, 2008 Report Share Posted May 24, 2008 Kind of like the Lesnar suit, no? And thanks, Bix, for keeping the thread alive. I went through it a few days ago and it's great. I would assume it went into limbo because Jim Ross wasn't updating his blog? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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