Kronos Posted March 10, 2010 Report Share Posted March 10, 2010 I was looking up this thread for something else, and I was reminded that we had a conversation here about Danielson and his future as an indyriffic guy vs being in the 'E. Thought I would zombie it just for old times' sake, because it's kinda relevant now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ditch Posted March 11, 2010 Report Share Posted March 11, 2010 Wouldn't the All Japan crossover show with porn stars be a better reason to bump this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El-P Posted March 11, 2010 Report Share Posted March 11, 2010 Yeah, what's the deal with this ? Get publicity ? Saw it last year or the year before, they don't look like porn stars that much, WWE "divas" always looked much sleazier than this. Cultural difference I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronnie Posted March 12, 2010 Report Share Posted March 12, 2010 I didn't realise, but porn stars also have a penchant for "protecting the business" in the face of industry-associated death: Hi, This is Laurie Holmes aka Misty Dawn, John's widow. Thought you might want to get your facts straight. John never had colon cancer, that was a rumor he created at one time to protect the industry. He died do to complications of full blown AIDS on March 13, 1988. Three causes of death on his death certificate were: Cardiac arrest, insefalitis and AIDS. Just thought you might want to know. Source Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bix Posted October 14, 2010 Report Share Posted October 14, 2010 Bumping since a new HIV shutdown story is all over the mainstream media. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdw Posted October 14, 2010 Report Share Posted October 14, 2010 Don't know if it was in this thread, but I recall pointing out in one of these threads how mind boggling it was the amount of unprotected sex that had/has come back into the business. John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdw Posted October 14, 2010 Report Share Posted October 14, 2010 What Bix and I were referencing: HIV Infected Porn Star Named, Linked To Hundreds Of Other Stars More porn productions shut down amid concern over HIV John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rovert Posted October 14, 2010 Report Share Posted October 14, 2010 Ever watch those "porn stars who have died" youtube videos? They are a much, much more depressing version "wrestlers who have died" youtube videos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goodhelmet Posted October 15, 2010 Report Share Posted October 15, 2010 Bumping since a new HIV shutdown story is all over the mainstream media. In all honesty, I was hoping it would stay buried. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artDDP Posted October 16, 2010 Report Share Posted October 16, 2010 Porn doesn't feature blade jobs. I still think that aspect of pro wrestling is really, really sleazy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rovert Posted October 16, 2010 Report Share Posted October 16, 2010 Porn doesn't feature blade jobs. I still think that aspect of pro wrestling is really, really sleazy. Ill raise you gonorrhea of the eye from facials. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingus Posted October 16, 2010 Report Share Posted October 16, 2010 Porn doesn't feature blade jobs. I still think that aspect of pro wrestling is really, really sleazy.I've mentioned this before, but I still don't understand why blading is such a big deal. (Aside from the possibility of communicable infection, which is a real risk, but oddly seems to have never became much of an issue.) Making a tiny cut in your forehead is one of the least damaging things you can do to yourself in a wrestling ring. The only real consequence of the blade is facial scarring. It's purely cosmetic; if you don't mind looking like a hideous mess, then there's little other reason not to. Compared to other forms of self-mutilation, like bumping, cutting your head is pretty insignificant. Abdullah is the perfect example; he still wrestles occasionally now, even though he's 137 years old. If he has any serious health problems, they come from his weight, not his mangled forehead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El-P Posted October 16, 2010 Report Share Posted October 16, 2010 It's still pretty disgusting when you think about it. Wrestling fans have accepted it as a normal thing, but I think that aspect of the work, to a non-wrestling fan, would pass for very primitive and crass. Why not use fake blood to give the illusion of bleeding with a little color ? Not saying that I'm shocked about it, but when you look objectively, it's pretty dirty to do that to yourself. Porn is obviously much more sleazier though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artDDP Posted October 16, 2010 Report Share Posted October 16, 2010 Porn doesn't feature blade jobs. I still think that aspect of pro wrestling is really, really sleazy. Ill raise you gonorrhea of the eye from facials. You've got me there. I was going to mention wrestlers who were slicing their faces open four nights a week but considering recent trends in porn it's not as if facials are saved only for the main event or to get a mid-carder over. I find grossly stiff chair shots and weapons brawls just as crass as cutting your head open. Wrestling is supposed to be a performance, not two guys pretending to connect on punches but really laying in weapons shots and rolling around in real thumbtacks. I'm willing to think 70% of the casual wrestling audience thinks the blood is fake anyway and it loses much of the impact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Morris Posted October 17, 2010 Report Share Posted October 17, 2010 I picked up a DVD set of Smoky Mountain Wrestling recently and it includes the Night of Legends show, the same one on which Chris Jericho wrestled with a broken arm, then proceeded to do a massive blade job. Blood was all over the canvas. Referee Mark Curtis was grabbing Jericho's blood-soake head and he had blood all over his shirt. That's not what you call sanitary... true, such blade jobs don't happen often, but that's an example of what wouldn't be considered safe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeCampbell Posted October 17, 2010 Report Share Posted October 17, 2010 The first time my wife (then girlfriend) went to a show with me, the main event was Abyss vs. Spike Dudley, and she almost had a heart attack when Abyss did the Black Hole Slam on the tacks and saw them sticking out of Spike. She told me later she knew that it was scripted but always figured there was some sort of trick with the chairs, tables, tacks, etc, so they didn't get hurt. The combo of that, and seeing my best friend's chest all red and bleeding after he had the ship chopped out of him made her learn really quick how "fake" it actually is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingus Posted October 17, 2010 Report Share Posted October 17, 2010 That's not what you call sanitary... true, such blade jobs don't happen often, but that's an example of what wouldn't be considered safe.That's missing the important part there. Jericho worked a long, hard match with a severely broken arm, plus being shot full of painkillers and antibiotics and probably having his blood pressure at a dangerously high level. Him leaving pints of plasma all over the place was merely the side effect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Paul Kersey Posted December 10, 2010 Report Share Posted December 10, 2010 LA County health department closes AIM clinic I'm sorry to be the one to bump this thread, but I saw that headline and thought of it. Out of oll the arguments about the "______ is/is not pro wrestling" meme, I find porn to be one of the more fascinating (and uncomfortable to many). I've read criticism of AIM and it's founder Sharon Mitchell off & on for years about their covering up STDs & drug problems in the industry. Like a wrestling death, AIDS scares are a time to watch the porn industry circle the wagons and keep their sort of kayfabe while a critical media attacks & judges, but doesn't actually look part the sleaze to start poking holes in their talking points. I do think this incident kills one of those ("gay porn is a totally different industry") pretty clearly. I don't remember if it came up in thsi thread already, but I recommend the book The Other Hollywood coauthored by Legs McNeil who did the 70s punk oral history Please Kill Me (also good.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdw Posted December 10, 2010 Report Share Posted December 10, 2010 Don't apologize for bumping it. Despite the title of the thread, this hasn't been a terribly sleazy or edgy thread. Mostly good conversation and quite a few good, thoughtful posts. I tend to think after initial phase of the thread, most of us have avoided being over-the-top with it because it frankly is one of the more interesting comps to pro wrestling. Probably one of PWO's better threads that revolves around a single subject. John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kronos Posted December 14, 2010 Report Share Posted December 14, 2010 Don't apologize for bumping it. Despite the title of the thread, this hasn't been a terribly sleazy or edgy thread. Mostly good conversation and quite a few good, thoughtful posts. I tend to think after initial phase of the thread, most of us have avoided being over-the-top with it because it frankly is one of the more interesting comps to pro wrestling. Probably one of PWO's better threads that revolves around a single subject. John Agreed. This thread has been one of the more interesting ones on the site since I found y'all back in 2008 or whenever it was. Jesus, that's a long time now. . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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