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It would be nice if we could avoid the age-old confusion between explanation and justification here. If Meltz was saying the match should have been stopped, that is his opinion. Saying that the doctor clearance was the reason the match continued is simply an explanation of why it continued. There's plenty of egregious content to get angry about in the world, there's no need to twist benign statements into some controversy.

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In other news, Ryback tweeted that the world would be a better place if Dave was six feet underground, which regardless of your feelings on him is kind of a scary thing to say about a guy who already has a gang of obsessive loons devoted to trying to bring him down.

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8 minutes ago, sek69 said:

In other news, Ryback tweeted that the world would be a better place if Dave was six feet underground, which regardless of your feelings on him is kind of a scary thing to say about a guy who already has a gang of obsessive loons devoted to trying to bring him down.

What a piece of shit. I would sue the motherfucker for this. It's calling for murder. Really, who the fuck are these people ? 

EDIT : he did a delete and re-phrase, but, too late, people are already re-posting the initial tweet. 

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Its even more insane when you think about it. If Ryback's correct and Dave is 100% spreading lies about fake fighting, how the fuck is that any justification for saying he should be dead? 

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Well, Ryback always struck me as completely dumb, not to mention absolutely talentless, a poor man's Goldy 15 years after the fact who never did jackshit in the business apart from getting a push by WWE because he was good at shooting steroid syringes up his ass. So there... See, it's easy behind a screen. I doubt Ryback would tell the same thing if he met Meltz face to face (well, most people on Twitter would not say 1% of the shit they say on Twitter IRL in front of real people anyway).

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40 minutes ago, sek69 said:

Its even more insane when you think about it. If Ryback's correct and Dave is 100% spreading lies about fake fighting, how the fuck is that any justification for saying he should be dead? 

The same justification as Jim Cornette wishing death and torture on people who don't treat pro-wrestling "properly" would be my guess.

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How can it been that Ryback and Rusev/Miro both fell out with WWE management but still internalised their siege mentality bullshit when it comes to Dave? Suggests they aren't exactly the brightest...

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Yeah it was strange hearing Miro defend wwe management over Dave when you think about all the bullshit he had to put up with the office over the years. They've been conditioned to hate him I guess

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6 hours ago, Strummer said:

Yeah it was strange hearing Miro defend wwe management over Dave when you think about all the bullshit he had to put up with the office over the years. They've been conditioned to hate him I guess

To me it speaks to the cult mentality that goes on there. Someone on the WO board pointed out that you never see anyone from any other company Dave covers lash out at him other than WWE people. The most I've seen is him getting into a few debates with some dim-bulb UFC fighters over COVID denial theories, but you never see anyone from literally any other promotion in the world come at him like WWE zealots do when it comes to his coverage. Funny how dude covers practically every real and fake combat sport company on the planet, but he's only a lying liar to people associated with one particular company.

Some of that obviously is due to the Bischoff/Russo/Cornette fans buying in to gimmicks designed to get podcast numbers, but when you see people who were treated like shit by a company still leaping to blindly defend anyone who points out that things are not all rainbows and unicorns there.

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If I were Uncle Dave, I'd contact the local PD wherever Roidback lives and get him thrown in jail.

 

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In a sea of awful accounts on wrestling Twitter, that MeltzerSaidWhat one is the worst by some way.

Fancy hating someone so much that you would devote your time reading everything they write, listening to everything they say just to play "gotcha" on Twitter (not to mention carefully editing audio).  And actually paying that person to do so!  Whomever runs that account has one seriously empty life.

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I never wanted to be known or anything, but now is the worst time ever to be a "celebrity", as social medias have given all the creeps in the world a platform to be more creepy than ever. Of course women gets the worst of this deal by far with all the sexual shit, but yeah, even a simple journalist like Meltzer has to deal with so much of shit from obsessive sickos.

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Very cool interview with Debbie Malenko. At 47 she now wants to get back into wrestling now that her children got older, that would be a terrific story. People talk about how women wrestling is kinda rated on a curve, sometime with good reason, but in Debbie's case, she was right in the middle of the most insane roster ever near its peak basically, and she was not just hanging on with them, she was actively on the level of the Hasegawa's and Yoshida's in 1992 (not quite elite level, but top-tier midcard level, which by this time's standard is awfully good already). Transfer 1992 Debbie Malenko in today's wrestling realm, she's right at the very top. Some really cool stories told, the old Mariko Yoshida fan in me loved how she credits her for helping her out a lot. Would absolutely love to see her make a comeback. AEW, IMPACT, make it happen (yeah, WWE is out of question when they make Mickie James out to be "old", which is such a disgrace) !

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On 9/8/2020 at 1:26 AM, FMKK said:

How can it been that Ryback and Rusev/Miro both fell out with WWE management but still internalised their siege mentality bullshit when it comes to Dave? Suggests they aren't exactly the brightest...

So I happened to have conversations with (mostly former WWE) wrestlers in the last several days where Meltzer happened to come up, and based on what they said, the answer is likely "because they think Dave is a puppet for the office." Being that:

* WWE has largely stopped responding to wrestling reporters' requests for comment, but Dave is constantly talking about needing to formally ask WWE about this or that.

* He reported that quickly debunked story (that he never issued a correction on) about Riddle "telling WWE about the rape allegation when he signed" (when Riddle's narrative is that Cartwright went Bitches Be Crazy after he broke off the affair, which was almost a year after he signed).

* Stuff like the "I don't know if Punk is gonna be at Raw, but one of the biggest stars in the history of the business is sure he will be" story turned out to be explicitly planted by the office, if I remember correctly.

...I can see where they're coming from.

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Gonna be honest, the idea of Meltzer as a puppet of WWE management strikes me as so preposterous on its face that I'd need to see it fleshed out in far greater detail before I could take it seriously.

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Just now, NintendoLogic said:

Gonna be honest, the idea of Meltzer as a puppet of WWE management strikes me as so preposterous on its face that I'd need to see it fleshed out in far greater detail before I could take it seriously.

Nah it is (broadly) true. WWE has a media liaison who handles this type of stuff. It is killing me that his name has slipped my mind. Meltzer's big-time sources have left the company long ago and he's lazier about backstage news than ever.  Also, this at a time where there are more co-opted journalists than ever.

The flow of information in Pro Wrestling has changed a lot now. WWE Wrestlers know very little and what they do know they are the last to be told on. The people who know the real stories and company direction are the marketing and media people in WWE even ahead of large portions of the Creative team.

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The answer seems like it's somewhere in the middle. Puppet is a pretty strong word, and I kinda doubt Dave is actively attempting to carry water for WWE. On the other hand, if he's just sort of reporting what his sources give him and that's the office line, then yeah, he ends up unintentionally advancing their agenda.

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I haven't read or heard any of Meltzer's stuff in 6+ months but I remember he used to present things as how he's learned how the WWE office looks at things.  I remember him saying that he didn't necessarily agree with stuff but it didn't matter, he needed to report on their point of view on stuff because that would explain why things are done the way they are done.  He seemed to be more willing to stop banging his head against the wall on stuff than Alvarez and would resort to that excuse.

I can see the argument that people like Cornette might make that Meltzer used to be more on a campaign to carry the flag & try to change things by pointing out what he thought was wrong and how things "should be done" and maybe now he's softened and just figures he can't change things so just report on things as they are.

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Man, I just listened to the Jim Valley interview.

I remember listening to a show early in the pandemic with him admitting he was in the high risk category and talking about how people like Reigns were right in pulling out of WWE shows. When I heard he had Covid it was a real bummer. So glad he was able to pull through.

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1 hour ago, Jmare007 said:

Man, I just listened to the Jim Valley interview.

I remember listening to a show early in the pandemic with him admitting he was in the high risk category and talking about how people like Reigns were right in pulling out of WWE shows. When I heard he had Covid it was a real bummer. So glad he was able to pull through.

He so badly wants to just talk and talk and talk which is very Jim and I love that he's already clearly antsy about getting back to normal.:D  I needed that level of a pick-me-up and I'm so happy he's working towards recovery.

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On 11/12/2020 at 1:54 PM, cm funk said:

Epic Roddy Piper talk on today's WOR from Dave & Bryan including Piper trying to bring Nord in to Portland to put a hit on Alvarez :D

No shit ! :lol:

Piper comes off like a total nutjob though, to the point of it being really pathetic. Which, really, should not surprise anyone, but still, the story about Piper turning off the lights and putting a lighter to his face while he talked to Alvarez and threatened to burn Meltz's house is out of this world wacky !

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Bryan had actually told that one before, lol.  I still love Piper, he was my first favorite wrestler as a kid, but there is no denying that he was fucking crazy and the gimmick was no gimmick.   When Dave dropped the Nord story even Bryan was surprised.  It starts with Dave like, "remember when you were supposed to work Nord?"  and Bryan is like, "WHAT?!!?  No.....when?  Like, a couple years ago, with Filthy Tom?" and Dave is like, "NO!"   Bryan had never even heard it before!!!! :lol:

 

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Of all the things to try to work up anger over, the weird Dave obsessives tried to have a go at him for saying Seth Rollins is going to take some time off after Survivor Series when Becky gives birth. They were trying to gotcha him over assuming her due date, and people were rightly pointing out how nutty it is to be mad at someone for counting to 9. 

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