cm funk Posted April 25, 2012 Report Share Posted April 25, 2012 BTW Dave is going to do interview w/the Sports-Catsters Podcast that I follow on Twitter. They mentioned that they got interview w/Frank Deford next month and I suggested that they try to get Dave to do an interview since Deford said in an column that Dave is one of the best beat reporters in Sports. The guy who does the interviews thought it was a great idea and Dave agreed to do the podcast later this week which is pretty cool. Thanks for the heads up on that And yeah, Dave doesn't really maximize his growth potential as far as new media goes. I think it's partly that Alvarez runs kind of a fly-by-night semi-pro operation and Meltz has put a lot of stuff in his hands, partly that he's just from a generation removed and has an old school print mentality, and partly that he's got a family and a kid and is comfortable with the way he does things. He needs Alvarez or somebody else in his ear to push him to new levels, and Alvarez, eh, he's not looking to go that big Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLIK Posted April 25, 2012 Report Share Posted April 25, 2012 I don't think Dave has pimped his Grantland column on any of his audio shows that I have listened to. Has he said anything about it in his daily update? Mentioned it in a daily update but didn't directly link to it, just said he had a column up on grantland.com and left it at that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Slickster Posted April 25, 2012 Report Share Posted April 25, 2012 --The Observer will be up later tonight or possibly early tomorrow. The sheer volume of news, combined with me being out of town three days this past week and teaching at Stanford yesterday really did a number on it. WHAT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdw Posted April 25, 2012 Report Share Posted April 25, 2012 I would suspect "Guest Lecturer" rather than "Teacher". John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NintendoLogic Posted April 25, 2012 Report Share Posted April 25, 2012 I know he was a guest lecturer a few times for a sports business class Bill Walsh used to teach at the business school. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dooley Posted April 26, 2012 Report Share Posted April 26, 2012 Apparently he was lecturing the sports business class about MMA. I got all kinds of digestive trouble after learning that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rovert Posted April 26, 2012 Report Share Posted April 26, 2012 Sports Management SHOW ME THE BUYRATES Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdw Posted April 26, 2012 Report Share Posted April 26, 2012 I hope Dave was telling those kids how there is not great business in being an Agent of MMA fighters since Dana doesn't pay the fighters what they're worth. John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLIK Posted April 27, 2012 Report Share Posted April 27, 2012 He talked about it a bit on one of the radio shows. Didn't really say much other then most of the class had very little interest in MMA and none of the students asked him about pro wrestling at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shoe Posted April 27, 2012 Report Share Posted April 27, 2012 I thought the Cauliflower Alley write up was pretty good in the current Observer. I loved all the Steamer stuff and the Final Conflict stuff that he wrote about was tremendous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sek69 Posted April 27, 2012 Report Share Posted April 27, 2012 Todd Martin offhandedly referring to Bryan as "George" (as in George Costanza) made me realize how Dave and Bryan really are like a real life version of Jerry and George. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strummer Posted April 30, 2012 Report Share Posted April 30, 2012 Meltz seems to be in a particularly prickly mood tonight covering the PPV. It's like he's reviewing a TNA PPV from 2009-2011 (now he doesn't seem to give a shit anymore) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loss Posted April 30, 2012 Author Report Share Posted April 30, 2012 The current picture on f4wonline.com will make you want to punch Bryan Alvarez in the face. Check it out and you'll see what I mean. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El-P Posted April 30, 2012 Report Share Posted April 30, 2012 The current picture on f4wonline.com will make you want to punch Bryan Alvarez in the face. Check it out and you'll see what I mean. I don't. Can you elaborate ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Cooke Posted April 30, 2012 Report Share Posted April 30, 2012 Burning money because they put Cena over Lesnar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El-P Posted April 30, 2012 Report Share Posted April 30, 2012 Mmmm'kay. And *that* is giving your the urge to punch Brian Alvarez in the face ? Frankly, the result is puzzling. First match on a B-PPV, Cena wins. Okay. Not exactly the smartest booking ever. There is so many more reason to make you want tp punch Alvarez in the face if you really need to, but that picture, well, I can undertsand the reasonning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kjh Posted April 30, 2012 Report Share Posted April 30, 2012 Bryan on the radio show was acting like it was the worst booking decision ever, which is a bit much. Between Dave going off about people saying ROH wrestlers have no psychology and can't work but still praise WWE matches like Kane vs. Orton and Jericho vs. Punk, and Bryan making a dig at people who say Vince doesn't change his mind and they are instead covering their asses, this was quite the show. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El-P Posted April 30, 2012 Report Share Posted April 30, 2012 Well, it gots nothing on the Invasion, but it's still pretty damn stupid. I know everyone is freaking out at the idea Lesnar might decide to run off as soon as he gets bored, but I think at this point this aspect of Lesnar is getting way overstated to justify bad booking. Lesnar should have at least killed Cena here, killed a few other people on his way to SummerSlam and then Cena got the big win. Not overly complicated nor that risqué. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loss Posted April 30, 2012 Author Report Share Posted April 30, 2012 I think Brock should have won too, but based on how people are describing the match, I am willing to hold judgment on this until I have seen the match itself. Pointing out that how the match is worked was equally important to the result is something specific Dave has said. It's valid, and right now, I feel like I don't know enough to criticize it. The Bryan pic annoys me because he's so ridiculously polemic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El-P Posted April 30, 2012 Report Share Posted April 30, 2012 Taken on his own in a vaacum, I have no issue with Cena winning, as far as work goes everything clicked perfectly. But the booking is a bit ridiculous if you look at the big picture, so I can understand the money burning pic. Polemic makes people talk. Controversy is money, ya know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLIK Posted April 30, 2012 Report Share Posted April 30, 2012 Bryan on the radio show was acting like it was the worst booking decision ever Well, he & to a lesser degree Meltzer rarely accept things for what they are or judge them on their own merrits. Anything that doesn't fit into what his pre determined idea of what good wrestling should be is usually burried pretty badly. From day 1 they were bitching to high heaven that the match shouldn't have even been happening (too soon) and then once they were over that they decided that Lesnar winning clean was the only acceptable finish and that anything else would be stupid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loss Posted April 30, 2012 Author Report Share Posted April 30, 2012 Brock will get over by throwing all of WWE's conventions on their collective head. Winning and losing doesn't matter as much as it should, sadly. If the idea from here is that Brock doesn't care about winning and losing, that he cares more about maiming people, there are tons of possibilities and Brock maintains his mystique. You'll never go broke betting against WWE coming through on things like this, but I'm not convinced yet that they've dropped the ball. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bix Posted April 30, 2012 Report Share Posted April 30, 2012 It comes down to this: Lesnar, on an Extreme Rules match, had no real use for the gimmick and was maiming Cena with "legit" moves and his striking, but got screwed by the ref bumps. Cena got a lucky shot with a chain as Brock was barreling towards him and then hit his finisher on the steps to knock Brock loopy for the win after the ref finally woke up. Yeah, Cena should've lost, but in the context of the post-match with Brock staggering around and challenging little kids to fights, it worked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El-P Posted April 30, 2012 Report Share Posted April 30, 2012 The point is, Lesnar has been beaten, he's not undestructible anymore after his *first match*. And that is retarded. I know this thread is designed to systematically disagree with Meltz, and I don't know what he said specifically, but it baffles me that anyone wants to defend WWE on that one. It's a stupid decision. Will that destroy Lesnar, of course not, but it is still the dummest thing they could have done with him from a booking standpoint. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loss Posted April 30, 2012 Author Report Share Posted April 30, 2012 A traditional wrestling match filled with back and forth momentum shifts and Lesnar eeking out a win would have been dumber, so yes, there are definitely worse things they could have done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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