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Something to Wrestle with Bruce Prichard
The Thread Killer replied to Lust Hogan's topic in Publications and Podcasts
He's never addressed that rumor that I'm aware, and I highly doubt that rumor was true. You should check out the documentary "Jim & Andy" that just came out on Netflix this past Friday. The basic idea is that Jim Carrey was doing the whole "method acting" deal while filming that movie and thought he actually was Andy Kaufman. There is a ton of backstage footage of Carrey harassing and taunting Lawler during the filming. (Ironically, that wouldn't be what Andy actually would have done, since he and Lawler were actually friends.) Of course, the whole thing could all be a work. Who knows. The only certain thing you can say after seeing that film is that Jim Carrey needs to be seeing an entire team of psychiatrists. -
I think Mauro is getting worse. I swear, during War Games he was screaming so much I thought he was either on speed or off his medication and going into a manic cycle live on the air. He's fucking terrible.
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As opposed to the method WCW used in 1999, which was telling people there was a PPV, but not bothering to mention any of the matches that were going to be on the show. Or in a couple of hilarious cases...advertising the show after it had already happened.
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What Happened When with Tony Schiavone
The Thread Killer replied to flyonthewall2983's topic in Publications and Podcasts
I think they were kind of forced into the live commentary format because Tony has proven he doesn't have the ability to do recap style "looking back" shows like Conrad does with Bruce. From where I sit, this can be attributed to the following reasons: 1 ) As a commentator, Tony didn't have the same level of involvement backstage in WCW that Prichard did in his role in the WWF. Prichard can provide way more details about the backstage machinations and creative processes due to the difference in their roles. 2 ) Tony appears to have a pretty terrible memory and seems to be unable to recall a lot of things. (Unlike Bruce, who at times is unwilling to recall a lot of things.) If you look back, I think it was the Steve Austin episode where Conrad pretty much lost his shit because he was basically reading results and Tony couldn't remember a damn thing or add anything to the episode. (I'm not going back to find out which show it was, because it was brutal if not slightly humorous.) I think Tony's memory might be attributable to the fact that... 3) Tony didn't give a shit a lot of the time in WCW. Say what you want about him, but working for Vince and the wrestling business in general was Bruce Prichard's life, pretty much 24/7 from what it sounds like. As a result, he generally remembers a lot of details and has a lot of interesting stories. But even he has a lot of times where he has to admit he can't remember stuff. JCP and to a much greater extent WCW was a job for Tony. It wasn't his passion (I think that was baseball) and especially in the last few years of WCW I think Tony really didn't give a crap what the hell was going on around him, so he just didn't pay attention. (And I am not saying I blame him for that,) If Conrad tries to use the "Something to Wrestle" format with this show in the long term, it's going to tank. It's just not viable. I don't think anybody could have predicted how successful Something to Wrestle was going to be, (including Bruce and Conrad) and I don't think anybody could expect Tony and Conrad to duplicate that kind of success, but even on a smaller scale, that format isn't going to work for them. I think these commentary shows are going to be what you get from this point forward from this show. I know Conrad is getting a lot of positive feedback about them on Twitter etc., but of course he isn't going to re-tweet all the negative feedback either. -
Something to Wrestle with Bruce Prichard
The Thread Killer replied to Lust Hogan's topic in Publications and Podcasts
I'm still only about halfway through the NAO episode, and I haven't really found it all that great so far. I want to finish listening to that one before I tackle the Bret Hart episode. That one might take a while to get through, it looks like it is almost 5 hours long. Not sure what to expect when it comes to Bruce's perspective on Bret either, based on past history I don't get the impression that Prichard cared all that much for Bret Hart, whereas he seemed to be a big Shawn Michaels fan. I know they covered the Screwjob in depth during an earlier episode, and Bruce didn't seem to have any sympathy for Bret's position at all. (Not that I do either, really.) -
I think it's become evident that if Brock likes you and thinks you have something (whatever that might be to him) he'll sell for you and make you look good, even if he beats you in the end. If you look at the way he let Goldberg and even Samoa Joe get the upper hand on him at times when they worked together, it's seems pretty clear. Conversely, if he doesn't like you or thinks you're beneath him, he pulls a Bruiser Brody and doesn't give you shit. There are matches to support this theory, but the biggest proof of this theory is that Dean Ambrose whined about it on Steve Austin's podcast, when he complained Brock was lazy and didn't want to do anything interesting in their match. (Aside from beat him, apparently.) I didn't see Jinder Mahal being the kind of guy Brock Lesnar would be particularly anxious to make look good, if for no other reason than the fact that up until recently, Mahal was viewed as a scrub. I figured that Brock might think if he gave Mahal too much, it might make him look bad. As a result, I was perversely looking forward to seeing Lesnar no-sell and basically beat the crap out of Jinder Mahal. The problem is, this would have totally reinforced the Raw>Smackdown narrative. You probably shouldn't have one brand looking clearly superior to the other by having one champion destroy his "equal" from the other brand. With AJ Styles holding the title now, there is a much greater chance we get a competitive and compelling match. At least a million times more likely than it was with Mahal involved. Any chance they took the belt off Jinder temporarily because Brock didn't want to give him a competitive match, or am I overthinking this?
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Comments that don't warrant a thread - Part 4
The Thread Killer replied to TravJ1979's topic in Pro Wrestling
I agree with you. I've never seen Corgan as a money mark. I always considered a money mark to be somebody who had a lot of cash to pour into a (usually ill conceived and poorly run) wrestling organization and then got conned out of their money by people a lot wiser to the business than they are. (See: Carter, Dixie.) Like him or not, Corgan is no dummy and he came into this process of getting involved with wrestling with his eyes wide open. And even if he didn't originally, he ran his own indie for a good while, and his experiences with Panda Energy should have awoken him to the rampant lies and unbelievable con-man level bullshit in this line of work. On top of that, he has spent years dealing with people in the music/entertainment industry, which actually gives Pro Wrestling a run for it's money when it comes to the number of lying con-men per square foot. -
Is TNA the worst wrestling promotion in history?
The Thread Killer replied to Loss's topic in Megathread archive
Way for Impact to put the statement "You couldn't pay me to watch this crap" to the actual test. I find it hard to believe Anthem is teetering on the brink of insolvency when they make fiscally sound decisions like this one. -
Absolutely. If I was in Vince McMahon's position I wouldn't care what New Japan was doing, regardless of who they signed. If those Long Beach shows were any indicator of what New Japan considers as putting their best foot forward in order to make a dent in the American market, WWE has nothing to worry about.
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Really? I would imagine that Vince couldn't care less. I can't imagine that he sees New Japan as any kind of competition. In his mind I am betting he thinks they're a professional wrestling promotion which caters to a very selective niche audience, whereas he's in the Sports Entertainment business and "makes movies." He's never cared about what happens in Japan before, has he? I know NJPW is trying to make inroads into the U.S. market, but realistically speaking even if Jericho makes a huge impact there, I doubt it will move the needle much in North America for NJPW. One thing that has really come across from listening to all those Prichard shows is that (if Bruce is to believed, which is a big "if") Vince usually had no clue what was going on in other promotions, nor did he care when he found out. I doubt he's changed his opinion as he's aged. If anything, all signs appear to point to him being even more out of the loop with what goes on outside his bubble.
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It's not the tweet that bothers me, it's the mentality that produced the tweet to begin with. What kind of guy actually manages to get signed by WWE, and then decides that it's a good idea to make any kind of joke about somebody (who has been with the company much longer) losing their job? That just demonstrates an almost astounding lack of common sense. There is a good stand-up comedy special out there by Craig Ferguson called "Does This Need To Be Said." Ferguson does a routine where he suggests that before saying something to your wife that could potentially blow up in your face, you ask yourself the following three questions... - Does this need to be said? - Does this need to be said right now? - Does this need to be said by me? If only poor Lio had this dialogue internally before tweeting, all of this could have been avoided. It's pretty much a well known fact outside the wrestling industry, never mind by people who work in the industry, that WWE is fraught with unspoken internal "rules" and political landmines. Knowing that, how could Lio Rush not think making any kind of comment beyond "sorry to hear you got released, all the best" was going to do anything than make him look like Enzo A'more 2.0? Top that off with the fact that his apology wasn't even really an apology, and throw in the fact that poor Lio appears to be borderline functionally illiterate (as humorously pointed out by Jack Gallagher.) I have no sympathy for Lio Rush. Let's dismiss the multitude of stories about his backstage attitude and stupid behavior which are already floating around online as "rumor and innuendo" that cannot be proven. This is the same guy that no sold being powerbombed off a ladder through a table in one of his last independent wrestling appearances, just because he could. The fans didn't like it, his fellow wrestlers didn't like it, but he knew he was going to NXT so he didn't give a shit. The guy is clearly a moron. The actual evidence to prove that fact is piling up.
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Yeah, they show some interview clips of him talking about it during the Monday Night War episode that covers Hogan's debut in WCW and his first match with Flair. He basically claims he doesn't know why he and Flair never faced off in the WWF or why the Main Event of WM8 was changed. As I recall, he says something about hearing "rumors" about the reason but claims he doesn't know for sure. Shockingly, I think he might be lying.
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I didn't see Raw. Is it true that Finn Balor (who beat AJ Styles at the PPV on Sunday) jobbed to Kane?!
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Is TNA the worst wrestling promotion in history?
The Thread Killer replied to Loss's topic in Megathread archive
I don't think Jarrett ever went into rehab. Rumor has it that Anthem put the brakes on the Impact/Global Force merger after Jarrett showed up at Triplemania in the proverbial "no condition to perform." The hope was that he'd get his shit together and come back, but he apparently doesn't think he has a problem. After he showed up at that Canadian Indy show this past weekend drunk, and then burned the promoters and skipped out on them, Anthem decided to cut bait and let him go altogether, totally giving up on Jarrett and the whole idea of the Global Force merger. Jarrett has apparently been telling people since that Anthem is broke, which is why they killed the merger and let him go. I think Anthem does have some serious money problems, but I think that just means they are going to relocate Impact to Canada and run the company very frugally under the Fight Network umbrella. Anthem reportedly still wants to use Impact as a means of providing original content for the Fight Network, and they still have the deal with Pop TV. The problem is, they generate next to no revenue. But I think the issue with Jeff Jarrett is that he is having some serious personal issues wrestling with the all too familiar "demons." I think people are starting to become seriously concerned about his behavior lately. -
That's a good guess Matt, but for the match to be truly Russoesque, something would have to be suspended on a pole as well.
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Booker T just compared Alicia Fox to The Missing Link. Wow. And Gulak only had 277 slides! It wouldn't have been too long!
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I can't believe they're cutting Drew Gulak's PowerPoint presentation! This is a bullshit backstage conspiracy!
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Maybe Undertaker. Did Austin and The Undertaker even ever work against each other on PPV?
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Comments that don't warrant a thread - Part 4
The Thread Killer replied to TravJ1979's topic in Pro Wrestling
Jack Tunney was obviously never really the President of the WWF. He was just a suit Vince McMahon used as an on-air figurehead during the 80's, when Vince didn't want the fans to know he was really the owner. (The fact Vince was the owner was public knowledge but it never got talked about on TV until after the Montreal Screwjob, really.) Jack Tunney and his uncle Frank were the local WWF promoters in Toronto and used to have an office across the street from Maple Leaf Gardens. I met him a couple of times when I worked for the guy who had a wrestling poster concession at Maple Leaf Gardens. I didn't like Jack Tunney when I met him. I was only 16 or 17 but I remember he was rude and dismissive to my boss, the employees I saw him interact with, and he was even rude to the fans, which is really stupid for a wrestling promoter. I am pretty sure he came from the school of thought that all wrestling fans must be stupid gullible marks. Jack and Frank Tunney also did everything they could to put any and all independent wrestling promoters out of business in Ontario. That's what that book that I link to in my signature is about. There was an outlaw promoter here in Ontario named Dave McKigney and Frank and Jack Tunney were always trying to put him out of business. They were very spiteful and petty about it, too. Jack Tunney was reportedly a notorious cheapskate too, I think the reason Nash disliked him is because the WWF used to always draw huge houses in Toronto to Maple Leaf Gardens, but the payoffs were always suspiciously low. (Having said that, I don't think the WWF ever sold out Maple Leaf Gardens when Diesel was champion.) The guy I worked for told me that the wrestlers all hated Tunney because he was so stingy with payoffs. There were rumors that he used the payoff money to pay gambling debts, and that as soon as Bret Hart became champion in the WWF he used his stroke to get Tunney fired. Tunney had the exclusive contract to run Maple Leaf Gardens for wrestling, which is why the WWF stopped running shows there after Tunney got replaced. Having said that, all that information is just "rumor and innuendo." I know his relationship with the WWF ended on a bad note. His wikipedia page is actually really detailed and is pretty accurate, I think. -
That seems to be a huge waste of Angle, doing this with no build. Joe is reportedly cleared to return now, and there are a bunch of other guys on Smackdown they could have borrowed to replace Reigns rather than Angle. I figured we'd be seeing him at some point, but not like this. As far as Wyatt, as much as I loved the other matches he and Balor had on PPV already, and as much as I was looking forward to the debut of his cross-dressing Sister Abagail, the important thing is that he stays healthy. I guess we can make do with Balor vs. Styles in the meantime. This show has gone from "no way I'm watching this crap" to "mildly interesting" on the TTK scale.
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To echo what others are saying, I was personally hoping it was AJ. Apparently they started the ball rolling in that direction on Smackdown this week, but I missed the show. As far as where Jinder as champ is ultimately going, who could say? By every estimable metric I can think of, he's been an absolute bust as champion. The fans still chant "WHAT?" during his promos, which indicates they are not invested in his character, and his matches have been mediocre at best and total shit at worst. Years ago, I would have assumed that Vince would look at how he is doing as champ, do the math and get that belt (sorry I mean Championship) off him ASAP. However, this is the newer "I know what you want even if you clearly indicate you don't want it, and I'm going to cram it down your throat whether you like it or not until you learn to like it, or stop watching and stop showing up at the arena and if you do it's not my fault" version of Vince McMahon. So in this case, I assume Jinder will be champion for years to come with no end in sight. I was thinking about this the other day. There are so many "unappreciated" or underutilized wrestlers that some fans dream of getting a big push and making it big. Guys who are supposedly "held back." This is one of the rare cases where McMahon elevated somebody who went on to demonstrate with no doubt that he had been exactly where he belonged on the card before he got pushed. 3MB is pretty much perfect for Jinder Mahal, as far as I'm concerned.
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I read that it was meningitis which is no damn joke, that's for sure. Even if you survive it, it can knock you on your ass for up to a year.
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If rumor and innuendo are to be believed, Flair has to take a lot of the heat for that. Apparently he was the one who was campaigning heavily behind the scenes to turn heel, as he supposedly preferred working heel and thought he had one good run left as a heel against face Hogan. I don't think he quite understood that people just didn't want to boo him, and they weren't going to do it, regardless of what he did. It actually brings up an interesting point about Flair as a person. He himself has admitted in many interviews that he has suffered from a lack of self awareness and confidence at times, believe it or not. He claimed that when he returned to the WWF in 2001 he didn't want to wrestle and he didn't think anybody would want to see him wrestle. I've seen it talked about in more than one interview that it was the Undertaker who pitched working with Flair at Wrestlemania 18 and Flair couldn't understand why Taker would want to work with him. Triple H said in one interview that he had to sit Ric Flair down when he was pitching the idea of Evolution and "remind him that he was Ric Flair." The fact that Flair wanted to turn heel against Hogan bears that theory out, in a way. It seems that he didn't quite get how people perceive him, which is crazy when you think about it, considering how people are constantly naming him as the GOAT. You'd think he'd actually believe that people think that, even if he himself didn't necessarily agree with them.
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Was the LA match any good? Like I said, I don't care what anybody says, that Bash at the Beach 94 match holds up. It's a good match and I don't think I'm the only person who thinks that. Even some other PWO members thought so.
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They actually announced that Hogan vs. Flair was going to be the Main Event of WM8. Like on TV, and everything. I remember it very clearly. Then they changed it. Why would they announce it and promote it if it was never really the plan? That sounds like more than a fanboy fantasy to me.