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It absolutely does. Charlotte has been the best heel on Raw for months. It just should've been hyped as the main event for a while to capitalize on being in that position if they were going to go that route.
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Awesome entrance for Charlotte.
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Our own Marty Sleeze reporting live says this is false Meltzer's not recapping the PPV for the site, according to the byline.
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Perkins has a great entrance package and cool sneakers. He's otherwise possibly the most boring wrestler on the roster. Nothing about him remotely likeable or unlikeable. He's just there. The purple ropes and special mat also feel like the kids table at a big family gathering.
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This is why I thought the title match should headline even if it was cold heading into the show. Only reason I can justify it is Owens's title reign is dead in the water so might as well try to put the women over as headliners.
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Cell #2 thus far isn't much better than #1. Big bump from Rollins thus now but its been pretty pedestrian with the only difference from a normal match being how its filmed at times.
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That match had its moments but it felt really cold until the kendo stick and chain got involved, and even the finish seemed mistimed. Its odd as Reigns's selling was great as always and his offense always looks solid, but this was probably the worst match they've had thus far. Just way too long.
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This is a show and lineup where my interest is about as low as can be for a PPV, yet I fully expect a number of matches to be good. That usually leads to a pleasantly suprising night, but if they run really long that could easily not happen. Just a cold show but one with a lot of potential.
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Separate But Equal?: The ultimate goal of Feminism in wrestling
WingedEagle replied to Luchaundead's topic in Pro Wrestling
The problem is that is not there goal. Are you saying with all the women the WWE has one of their shows couldn't be half women? 4 matches on the show, there isn't 8-12 women talented enough to carry that? Charlotte, Becky, Bayley, Sasha, Alexa, Nikki, Asuka, Billie Kay, Ember Moon, and Nia Jax. done. Plus they have way more talent. If you are joe indie Veda Scott is as good a talent as any undercard male. Plus you do this, you get more future talent. The talent is out there though and it could be done. Instead the women are treated like a special attraction. If you want to undo the brand split and get into fantasy booking, we can take this a lot of places. I'm just not big on what-ifs. As the rosters are currently constructed I don't think there's any good way to feature a 50/50 gender split on the show and believe it would be to the detriment of all involved. If the women are treated, booked and eventually viewed as a truly special attraction I think that'd be great. They might get over and be a real draw. Shouldn't that be the goal for them and all talent? What you're proposing is to create as a level a playing field as possible, which is quite ironically the biggest complaint people have had about booking in recent years. Not sure why it'd be a good idea with the women when its been perhaps the biggest flaw on the men's side. -
Separate But Equal?: The ultimate goal of Feminism in wrestling
WingedEagle replied to Luchaundead's topic in Pro Wrestling
There are not nearly enough women to feature them in that fashion, and probably not enough talent to carry programs outside of matches. A couple of the women can handle themselves on the mic, and a couple really excel in that position, while others have no business cutting more than a 30-60 second scripted promo. You do that regularly and you'll burn through every single matchup even quicker than they do with the men, when are literally dozens more on each roster. Doing that would expose them and the division ridiculously quickly and burn it out well before there's enough talent to restock it. What's so horrible about building 1-2 programs at a time with a goal of hopefully developing a couple of them as legit stars who from time to time can anchor a show? Force feeding it because WOMEN~!~! is a surefire way to make sure nothing gets over. The same would hold true for cruiserweights, tags and much of the roster -- as has been the case for quite some time. -
Separate But Equal?: The ultimate goal of Feminism in wrestling
WingedEagle replied to Luchaundead's topic in Pro Wrestling
I saw you tweet this - asking why companies don't book them 50/50 essentially and it's an interesting thought. Do you mean the WWE, or everyone left outside of WWE at the moment? ROH taped their second Women of Honor TV special tonight (my bet - not earth shattering - is that this airs one of the weeks after Final Battle, or maybe that weekend). This will be the second all WoH TV shown on national syndication this year. I feel like this is worth noting because this is ground breaking in a way. The WWE has never done something like this. You go back to G.L.O.W., right? CZW does all women's shows sometimes too. FMW did some. Smash does it once a year. It's fine, but those are specials. However, why not do it all the time. 50/50? You have 8 matches, 4 men and 4 women. The talent is there. Just because there are currently enough women to put together a few matches on every show does not automatically make it a good idea for either business or the product. -
But, Loss, please post the top 500 of the yearbooks and just call it that if you feel more comfortable with it. Selfishly I want to see it as someone who has all of the yearbooks and also respects your opinions on match rankings. Or if you don't want to post it just PM it to me What he said. We're happy to help find ways to caveat and asterisk the list, but it would be great to see that perspective from someone who's already been through all of the Yearbooks. Doesn't even have to be Best of the 1990s. It could simply be Best of the Yearbooks -- 1990s Edition.
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Disc 3 Rankings: Terry Funk vs. Barry Windham (9/19/86) Stan Hansen vs. Carlos Colon (10/12/86) Invader I vs. Al Perez (Street Fight) (10/26/86) Carlos Colon vs. Stan Hansen (Texas Bullrope) (1/6/87) Carlos Colon vs. Stan Hansen (11/9/86) Terry Funk vs. Rick Martel (9/20/86) Carlos Colon vs. Abdullah the Butcher (9/20/86) Invader I vs. Ron Starr (Street Fight) (8/17/86) The Invaders & Mil Mascaras vs. Ron Starr, Dory & Terry Funk (12/18/86) Carlos Colon vs. Terry Funk (9/21/86) Carlos Colon & Huracan Castillo Jr. vs. Stan Hansen & Chicky Starr (12/21/86) Invader I vs. Ron Starr (9/19/86) Carlos Colon vs. TNT (11/15/86 TV) Super Medico vs. White Knight (9/19/86) Invader I vs. Jason the Terrible (1/17/87) Carlos Colon Vs TNT (11/27/86) Yeah, this was a fantastic disc. The top 4 here are my #1-4 on the entire set thus far. Looking forward to seeing what's coming up.
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Solid but very unspectacular match. The goal seemed to be putting Jason over as a monster, but between the multiple ref bumps and Jason being pretty limited overall means its just Invader trying put him over, and he's no Flair. Finish seemed involve a loaded mask? **
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Carlos Colon vs. Stan Hansen (Texas Bullrope) (1/6/87)
WingedEagle replied to El Boricua's topic in Matches
They did a lot of great things throughout this match that are worth mentioning. First off, the crowd is electric with many on their feet early on before the match itself even heats up. Both are bleeding fairly early here which, as always, adds to the violence and intensity. There's one point where Hansen is choking Colon with the bell so stiffly that it actually looks like Colon taps Hansen as though to tell him to lighten up. Pretty incredible if that's the case. Hansen & Colon probably make better use of the cowbell than any strap match I can recall. They consistently go to it as a weapon, which makes all the sens in the world because if you've got a large and jagged piece of metal to gouge an opponent why wouldn't you try to use it at every opportunity? While a strap match is often a very restrictive gimmick, they do a great job working around it here by spilling to the floor, using it to choke each other as well as on its own as a legit weapon. Pretty creative stuff that doesn't limit them much at all and really serves to offer a different dimension to the feud. Some really nice teases down the stretch with both looking to touch all 4 corners. The finish itself actually came off a bit flat for me as after all the cutoffs before corner #4, the delay before Colon finally got there here felt just as substantial as every prior opportunity, but it still gave us a great pop as Colon regains the title and then again another nice little post-match brawl to make clear this feud isn't over just yet. I've got this a hair behind the first singles match as that was just a blistering, insane brawl where it felt like they were operating at a wholly different level than this match. I can totally see why some might prefer this match because of just how well they worked the gimmick, but it didn't take me to the same level as the the first pairing. The first time I watched this feud I had the cage match 1, the first match 2, this 3 and the penultimate singles match 4. Curious if that holds after watching disc 4. **** -
This is a 4 way brawl most of the way, with with Colon/Hansen and Castillo/Chicky paired off pretty rigidly throughout, regardless of positioning. Quick, hot sprint with the blood, low blows and brawling you'd expect, all driven by Hansen's energey and pace. Colon comeback eventually leads to the bullrope coming into play and Hansen hanging & choking him to set up the next match in the feud. ***1/4
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Invader I vs. Al Perez (Street Fight) (10/26/86)
WingedEagle replied to El Boricua's topic in Matches
Yeah. He's not exaggerating. This match was crazy, especially because you had no idea it was coming. 5 star match #2 I was stunned by how good this was. This set has a bunch of stuff like that. There are a few matches that just left me laughing hysterically at how shockingly good they were. Stunned. Not something I can go 5 on, but for shock value its definitely there. Fantastic, different brawl. -
Hope this makes sense -- I think its easier to produce a good match with strong offense and poor/minimal selling than one with poor offense, but selling is an absolutely necessary condition for and typically more responsible for producing a great match.
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Good man! Assuming you meant PR & Portland. I'm going through Buddy Rose's 1979 online and will then mix in the Portland set with PR viewing.
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The Invaders & Mil Mascaras vs. Ron Starr, Dory & Terry Funk (12/18/86)
WingedEagle replied to El Boricua's topic in Matches
This was such a fun, refreshing change of pace after the wild Funk & Hansen action. The babyfaces work quick tags and armbar action so there's a ton of movement and activity early on. Love Ron Starr jawing with Invader #3 on the apron and then taking a fun bump to the floor after being crotched. Terry enters to eat a bunch of bunches and provide some comedy as Invader #1 is repeatedly smashing his head in the corner and Terry's momentum sees that continue even when Invader lets him go, until Dory is over to put an end to those shenanigans. Now its Starr's turn to pinball around for the babyfaces as this extended shine gives everyone in the match an opportunity to perform. Brief heel control on Invader #1 before a quick hot tag to Mascaras and we get a 6 way brawl that ends up as a double DQ. This was a really hot, brisk match that felt like stage one in setting up a bigger, hotter feud. ***1/4 -
El Profe is suspended in a cage this time following his interference in the first match. We get a long TNT nerve hold. Really long. Perhaps the kind that even makes one switch the disc to 1.5x speed. That part was terrible. Colon eventually punches out but eats a superkick and now finds himself locked in the Cobra Clutch, where like the first match he's struggling but unable to break it until throwing a back kick low. TNT bleeds and we get a double countout. Nothing special until the end and post-match. **
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So this is not Hansen/Colon. TNT throws some nice, quick strikes early. The focus then becomes putting over TNT's Cobra Clutch, which Colon does very effectively by trying to continually kick off the the corner to break but is unable to do so. The ref eventually stops it but it appears he may have given Colon a DQ win for interference. Would've preferred a clean finish but this was solid. The foaming at the mouth afterwards was unnecessary. **3/4
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Colon is the aggressor this time out as he jumps Hansen at his entrance and again it takes Stan forever to remove his chaps, which absolutely heightens the intensity and violence they're projecting. They quickly make their way around foul territory at Hiram Bithorn and they maul each other against the backstop, fencing, the ring and everywhere possible to draw juice. Some great post shots here as well that really swing momentum and build to Hansen posting the Lariat arm when Colon ducks. Colon Cartwheel, punching and biting turn the volume up before Hansen loads the pad for another finish that extends the feud. Yet another awesome Hansen performance and brawl from Colon. ***3/4
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Invader I vs. Al Perez (Street Fight) (10/26/86)
WingedEagle replied to El Boricua's topic in Matches
Yeah. He's not exaggerating. This match was crazy, especially because you had no idea it was coming. Puerto Rico easily takes the prize for coolest and most diverse buildings. We join this one in progress with Invader & Perez brawling all over the place on multi-colored & paneled floor that screams 1980s. Punching and smashing each other into the paneling and all over the building. You really can't do a match like this justice with a description, but its wild, bloody and the crowd is eating up every single thing they do from the moment we pick it up. All of this punching is so gritty, violent and incredibly well paced. Nothing is rushed and between the blood and timing its all terrific. Perez controls the early portions to set up Invader punching his way back into things. Perez back on top after a table shot and they tease a sick bump over a railing and down stairs. Invader somehow safely hooks his legs and eats punches before pulling himself back to the floor. Chair shot to Perez, then punching and biting and teasing tossing Perez down the stairs. He eventually does so, but in such a fashion that Perez can pretty much safely run down the steps to avoid anything too risky, but it still makes for a great visual and moment that the crowd loves. Only real knock here is the relative absence of a finish, or at the very least a clear one as Perez seems to bail and Invader is declared the winner by the ref. Just a fantastic brawl with a number of unique wrinkles. ****1/4 -
Boricua, as always, thanks for the background. Haven't been good about integrating the extras into the set yet. Hopefully get there before finishing it but either way they will be watched.