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I agree with the idea that, on paper, this match looks like a worst Clash main event ever, but it isn't. Dave Sullivan is gone within the first two minutes (addition by subtraction) and the first half of the match is basically Hogan just getting destroyed before Sting comes in with a pretty good hot tag. Tenta is the MVP, Sullivan is spirited but looks almost ridiculous against Hogan, and The Butcher is just awful, but the crowd is engaged throughout and its not like there are a dozen and one rest holds - its not the best match of anyone's career, but, man, can you imagine how bad this could've been with Dave Sullivan actually involved? Or if they had tried to play up the Butcher/Hogan feud with staredowns and drama? It is to the viewers' benefit that the feud is talked up a great deal on commentary but is never manifested in the story of the match in the ring. By not being as terrible as it could be, this match sneaks into "decent" range.

I'm not sure I see it that way at all, doc. Ziggler was not a popular indie guy. Wyatt was not a popular indie guy. I had never heard of Jon Moxley being a future WWE main eventer prior to the Dean Ambrose work (my first glimpse of him were those awesome videos on YouTube where he was going after Mick Foley). From what I know, I'm not sure Harper or Ambrose were even top tier indie guys like Bryan Danielson as much as they were journeymen with good reputations for brawls. Reigns IS going to be a star (and had potential to be a huge one had they not rushed him into the position they put him in now) and he wasn't a popular indie guy. Rusev was not a popular indie guy as far as I know. The Miz, Swagger, and Sheamus, who now seem like lifetime midcarders more than future main eventers (though, there was at least a brief period of time when they seemed like bigger deals) weren't popular indie guys. To me, the Daniel Bryan-CM Punk-Cesaro-Rollins love only owes a very small amount to their work on the indies. Look at Sin Cara and Del Rio - they were very popular in Mexico and that reputation had many internet fans thinking they would be WWE main eventers, but their WWE work did not live up to expectations. The same may be said of Sami Zayn and Kevin Owens, who benefitted tremendously from their indie cred in NXT but will have to prove themselves considerably more once they get the call-up. The majority of the audience will have no idea who they are, just like they had no idea who Kaval was. I think there's a misconception that a "smark" fan, like the thousands who booed Reigns in Philly, are educated on today's indie scene or even have any interest in it. Its easy to say that Bryan/Punk/Rollins are proof that Ring of Honor churns out future main eventers when all you do is look at those three and pretend that other guys who are not as universally beloved by the "smart" fans but still valid upper midcarders/potential main eventers (Reigns, Sheamus, Wyatt, Rusev, Ziggler) are light years less popular. If that were true, every RoH talent would have a legit shot at stardom in the WWE and I just don't buy it. Chris Jericho has talked about it on his podcast. Learning how to get over in multiple territories makes it easier to go into the WWE and get over because you know how to get over. This is what Ambrose, Bryan, Punk, or even a Luke Harper has over their co-workers who didn't have that experience...but that certainly doesn't make it a prerequisite for success, it does not make an indie background serve as a guarantee for getting over, and it certainly won't lead to a de-emphasis on other types of talents the WWE scouts (college football players, amateur wrestlers, etc.). Finally, doctor, the WWE has brought in a large number of indie talents over the years (which is what I think you mean by "listening to the fans"), dating back to the 90s when they brought in the likes of 2 Cold Scorpio, Al Snow, Chris Candido, and others, but, ultimately, the roster has, for at least the past two decades, been about balancing a variety of talents in terms of size, style, gimmick, and even backgrounds.

How many actual episodes of GWF were there? 40-60? As someone else who remembers this fondly as after-school programming, I wouldn't mind having the entire run of that available on the Network. Watching the one episode they posted was great, but I'd be more up for the Eddie Gilbert and Patriot stuff, as well as, IIRC, the segments where they had a correspondent who was 15 years old and talked about how "hot" GWF was at his school.

I think it has more to do with the weather here in the states because usually the stream works out great for me, but today, it's been the worst it's ever been. I'm in Cleveland and we're getting hit with a foot of snow right now, but I know the northeast has been up to their nose in the stuff for days.

That's interesting criticism coming from Regal because, as I've re-watched the PPVs and Clashes from WCW 92' and on, I've found that they had really good chemistry.

I don't remember the specifics, but in one of the Punk podcasts with Colt, he told a great story about working some WWE tour of Mexico and only getting paid like $500 a show or something ludicrous like that (I think he said in the story that he asked for more and they did raise his pay...which sounds like a pattern based on what Del Rio said). Now, to Joe Schmo, $500 a night for working 20 minutes is going to sound like a lot of money, but I'm guessing those were fairly big houses and that his name was used heavily to promote the show and, obviously, there's a lot more that goes into being a wrestler than just 20 minutes of work. Maybe someone recalls the exact story better than me and can share it.

Slightly off-topic, but regarding the Wyatts split, what shocks me more than anything is that, at the Rumble, they teased the reunion and the crowd was going crazy and, had they reunited, I think the WWE would have gotten (and would have deserved) to get away with it even if there would be little storyline reason why Rowan would turn back heel. They had a chance to reunite them in a way that would've gotten a "pass" just because it would've been a moment and they didn't. Why the hell not? If Wyatt/Taker is going to happen, lord knows it is a MUCH better decision to put Wyatt back with his "family" for that build because then you really have Taker going up against not one monster, but three. Wyatt was hotter with his minions, so, you boost him by putting him back in charge of a stable, and, while I see great things for Harper and possibly even for Rowan in terms of being the "monsters of the future," let's be honest - they have nothing in place for them at Mania save for the Andre battle royal. They get a better rub as Wyatt's back-up in a match with Taker than they do as entrants in a 20-man battle royal. This is one Rumble complaint I haven't seen spoken about to death, but it was a fairly big one for me - especially considering that it happened early on in the Rumble. It was, to me, as I was watching, my first clue that the WWE had totally miscalculated the booking of the match.

Actually, when they released the Quarter 4 Earnings, the SummerSlam numbers were 30,000 purchases higher than were originally reported. While this didn't equal the previous years show, it was much closer than many people believe. I'd be interested to look back how did it compared to Brock's return at Extreme Rules 2012 or the Brock/HHH cage match the next year or the few Punk-headlined PPVs without Cena because I'm really curious to know, if you look at just the past three years, if there was any single performer that can be pointed to as more of a draw than another. SummerSlam '13 was about as loaded a card as the WWE has put on outside a Mania that I can remember this decade.

Talking about it with a friend tonight - After Mania, Lesnar is most likely out (if he's not - he should retain there because he's the best thing going for the company today and the Rumble proved it). John Cena is either going to squash Rusev at Mania or lose...in which case, I think you're in a tough spot with Cena because he's already feuded with everyone on the roster and almost needs to take the same break Orton is now. If Rusev survives the Cena feud, he'll likely be fed to Reigns. Reigns is your top face, Rollins is your top heel, and who knows where Ambrose and Bray fall into things post-Mania (I'm not even going to mention guys like Cesaro or Ziggler because they certainly don't seem poised for any major pushes based on what I saw at the Rumble). Sting won't be around, though, I wonder how valuable he is even going to seem after the WWE Universe realizes that Sting in 2015 means a guy wit a receding hairline who wrestles in a tee-shirt. Daniel Bryan's momentum and idea of him being The Man will, unfortunately, after WrestleMania, probably be nothing but a fuzzy memory the same way Punk's run in 2011 seemed when he quit last year. In summation, after WrestleMania = No Lesnar. No "main event" Bryan. Directionless Cena with 1-2 "fresh" matches in Reigns and Ambrose (who are both faces). Directionless Ziggler. Directionless Cesaro. Most likely a "tarnished" Rusev. If the solution is a heel turn for Reigns, the WWE made the exact mistake we all said they shouldn't make - rushing Reigns to the title. You don't create "the next John Cena," the next mega-popular, kid-friendly babyface that will sell merch and grant kids' wishes well into the 2020s, by having him turn heel 12 months after he turned face. You'd be creating Randy Orton actually, which is fine and great and useful, but that's certainly not the bullseye they are aiming for. The burial of Daniel Bryan is frustrating as a fan, but what lies ahead over the next 3 months is even more frustrating because what seems to be coming down the pike is a whole lot of protecting Reigns at all costs and keeping everyone else on the same hamster wheel they were on in 2014. And no Lesnar to at least make 2-3 PPVs a year "must see."

The Outlaws beat the Usos at last year's Elimination Chamber PPV and the Usos were far more over and deserving of not having to lose to two old farts, so, it is not impossible to see the Outlaws win. Still, I think the Ascension goes over here because while the loss to the Usos didn't matter in the grand scheme of things (the Usos were over and were able to bounce back and get even more popular and stay credible despite the loss), if the Ascension loses, you might as well as release them because I don't see them "getting hot" as dominating heels if they can't dominate two retirees. The undercard definitely leaves much to be desired - especially as you have the talent represented in the undercard that could've actually produced some good action. For example, get rid of Adam Rose and Big E, and that 6-man turns into what would probably be a great 10-minute sprint to kickoff the show. Drop one of the other tag team matches (my pick would actually be the Tag Title one just because its the least fresh and could probably be held off till Fast Lane anyway, especially as we'll probably get some Miz/Mizdow tension in the Rumble itself). The Divas Match should be a 3-way or 4-way (not a tag). Rusev should've defended the US Title on this card (in place of the Tag Team Title match) because (a) the show is in historic Philadelphia and (b ) I haven't seen him really defend the title all too much since winning it. A squash over someone, even a someone like Heath Slater dressed as Uncle Sam, would've been good filler, especially considering that the Rumble consistently has the second highest audience of any "Network Event" every year. When you have that many extra eyes on your product, you need to be more strategic with how you highlight certain characters. Rusev will probably have a good run in the Rumble, but to me, he's a talent you should highlight independently of the battle royal.

Anyone interested in music about dead wrestlers, can check out the lo-fi, homemade album I made 5 years ago under the name Double Murder Suicide. Here's a review of the first album (there are also three more I made from 10' through 2012): Here's a review of the first one - http://cokemachineglow.com/records/joshua-goldberg/ PM me if you're interested in links to free downloads of any of the albums. I'd describe it as Ramones meets Guided By Voices meets early They Might Be Giants if every song was about wrestling nostalgia and tragedy. Labors of love that I'm proud of, even if they were probably heard by less than a 100 people around the world.

1. Cena vs. Bryan (SummerSlam 2013) 2. Cena vs. Punk (Money In The Bank 2011) 3. Lesnar vs. Punk (SummerSlam 2013) 4. The Shield vs. Team Hell No & Ryback (TLC 2012) 5. Daniel Bryan Gauntlet Match (vs. Cesaro, Ryback, Swagger) (RAW, 7/13) 6. The Shield vs. The Wyatts (Elimination Chamber 2014) 7. Sheamus vs. Bryan (Extreme Rules 2012) 8. The Shield vs. Evolution (Extreme Rules 2014) 9. Rollins vs. Ambrose (SummerSlam 2014) ( *This gets a spot mostly because I hate Lumberjack matches and this one is the best one I've ever seen. For overcoming what is typically such a terrible gimmick takes a great story with great performers) 10. Shawn Michaels vs. Undertaker (WrestleMania 26) Honorable Mentions - The Usos vs. Rowan and Harper (Battleground 2014) The Shield vs. Evolution (Payback 2014) Christian vs. Del Rio (Ladder Match, Extreme Rules 201?) I will admit my "ballot" is a bit bias as the Network has allowed me to watch way more of the current product, especially the PPVS, than I did from 2010-2012, when I just couldn't justify spending $60 on a show like Capitol Punishment (Capitol Carnage?) no matter how good it may or may not have been. I'm sure I missed a ton of matches that were better than my honorable mentions, but those matches do stand out to me from this year as quite good. I would also add that I do think the past 2 years have seen much better in-ring action than the 3 years that came before it. I mean, I'm not as down on Edge, Orton, Cena, etc as others...but even their biggest fans would probably have to agree that their "peak matches" in that timespan were not as good as the peak matches we saw from Bryan, Punk, and The Shield starting in '12.

Great question. Here's some that are probably not number 1 for anyone, but would likely make my top 20 and haven't been mentioned yet - Bret vs. Taker (HBK as Guest Ref) from SummerSlam 97' - I remember this match just having such a great "big match feel" at a time when WCW was still the industry front-runner in the US and, though Bret has said he prefers his other bouts with Taker, if I had to choose one to rewatch out of ones I've seen, I think this would be the one I'd pick just because of the story told. Guerrero vs. RVD (Ladder Match, RAW, May 02') - I remember seeing this match out-of-context as I wasn't watching WWE at the time and just being blown away by the violence and agility on display. A car-crash match, to be sure, but one I like to show to non-fans because of the entertainment value.

No knock on Balor's incredible talents and, personally, I don't find these things to matter to me as a fan, but looking at WWE's history, is there really a feeling that a non-North American guy under 6 feet tall could really be the focus of the WWE? I mean, sure, we saw something close to that with Benoit, Guerrero, and Mysterio, and if Finn Balor can achieve THAT level of success, he'd be a Hall of Fame caliber guy, but I just don't know if he could seriously be considered a potential "next guy" like Reigns, Ambrose, or Rollins.

On the Luger talk, I could be totally 1000% wrong on this, but I always felt that, for whatever reason, Vince held a serious grudge with Luger about the death of Miss Elizabeth. Now, obviously, she was a grown woman, who made her own decisions, and Luger was just the guy she was shacking with when she truly spiraled out of control...but I just always inferred that Vince, just as he had been very close to Randy, was equally "in love" with Miss Elizabeth (paternally almost?) and when she passed the way she did, Vince placed the blame squarely on Lex, for not protecting her. Contrarily, I don't think Vince blames anyone but the wrestler themselves, whether it was Test or Brian Adams or Rude or Pillman, for their deaths and certainly doesn't accept any responsibility himself...but Liz? She was the "First Lady of Wrestling," pure, innocent, etc. Again, I'm talking out of my ass about this and have no clue how Vince actually feels about Luger or Liz today (I know there was that WWE Confidential thing a decade ago), it's just, in the words of a mighty, mighty bosstone, the impression that I get. Anyone second me on the feeling or am I way wrong entirely?

Not looking at whole cards, but.... On Austin's podcast a few weeks ago, a caller phoned in and mentioned how he thought the 97' Rumble was pretty underrated in that it was such a pitch-perfect way to push the Austin character (and that Austin's work in the match is exceptional). I was pretty convinced by the guy - thinking back, Austin was the shit in this match. I could be mistaken, but at one point he did push-ups and looked at his wrist like a watch was there? Also, again, could be wrong, but I remember when Bret comes, Austin gives a look of astonishment first, but then, starts making the "bring it" gesture with his hands. I think Fake Diesel was close to the last eliminated and the roster was full of guys who had no chance of winning (when did it ever?), so I see the initial hesitance to pay respects to this battle royal...but, in the grand scheme of things, the way the Rumble was produced to build Austin and also lead to the Final Four PPV in an exciting fashion that I don't recall being tried prior to WM13 was kinda cool (title changes on RAW? In February?). So, all things considered, including hindsight, how does Rumble 97 rank? Personally, I'm a 92' man, but I definitely know what I'll be watching on the Network this weekend. I don't think I've viewed it for 16 years, but I'm kinda amped. I know there's no way JR's work is as good as Heenan's in 92', but I'm pumped for that too.

I didn't watch this week's RAW and, based on what I've read, I'm really glad but...Harper vs. Rowan happened? Good god - I know that they may have interacted a bit at Survivor Series, but there was a time, less than a year ago, when I remember writing in a PPV review that there was MONEY in these two squaring off, that these two monsters finally colliding could be a *moment.* Now, that was probably a bit hyperbolic and written at the peak of their feud with the Usos, when the two teams were consistently presenting great outings (and possible MOTNs), but I still think the WWE could have had a *minor* moment if these two were to have had a stand-off during the Rumble, even if just for 30 seconds or so in the middle. But like nearly every potentially-interesting pairing that the WWE could reasonably have as a strong midcard feud to help sell Network specials, they gave it to us on Monday on a show that has been widely disparaged. That kinda sucks for Harper and Rowan, who, in a more protected spot, on a better show, could have probably got a huge crowd response for something as simple as a staredown (again, it might have happened at Survivor Series, I don't remember, but it could happen a half dozen times and probably still get a big reaction each time). The lack of restraint in WWE's current product is just so frustrating. As Punk once said, McMahon is a millionaire who should be a billionaire and while the particular example above is a frivolous, minute one, it is one of a hundred that can be thought of and those hundred add up.

May not be the place for this comment, but I'd love to see someone go into the Lumberjack Match at SummerSlam between Ambrose and Rollins. At the time, I remember thinking it was the best Lumberjack Match I'd ever seen (I normally hate that stip).

Not sure if I labeled this match correctly (or even if one needs permission to post a match), but I was really curious what other people thought of this one. Plenty to touch on, but as I just watched this again after a couple years, some thoughts sprung to mind - 1. Both guys are ostensibly heels (?) as Shane is the "evil WCW" owner and Angle is a cocky jerk, but Shane obviously has much of the crowd support in the match (and in the build). This doesn't really hurt the match for me as ANY McMahon bout is really just about watching an untrained rich guy get mercilessly destroyed by a member of the roster and, with Shane, few did it better. The bumps he takes, particularly the nasty one that I can't believe didn't cripple him at the entranceway, are ridiculous. 2. In terms of hardcore, streetfights, I really like this one. At a time when the WWE were putting these sorts of matches on all the time, this one still stands out. I like how it starts with Angle bullying Shane, daring him to actually wrestle, before Shane wisely decides to use whatever he can (canes, trash cans, his own body) to hurt Angle. Angle, meanwhile, seems to be toying with Shane, more interested in watching him suffer than actually winning the match - something that seems logical to me (logic and Angle don't always go hand-in-hand). 3. Unlike in the Ultimate Submission Match with Benoit from a month or two earlier, where Angle's selling is stop-and-start, I only saw one time in this match where Angle pops up and "no sells" Shane's onslaught. In the last third, Kurt's expressions and (accidental or not) stumbling are really great. After tossing Shane-O like a rag doll through two glass walls, covered in blood himself, you finally get the feeling that Angle has been exhausted, not so much by Shane, but by his own relentless efforts to top himself, to dish out punishment, to prove his greatness (remember this is his 3rd match of the evening). At this point, he does try to end the match...but, first, he can't muster the energy to get Shane into the ring for the cover. Then, he can barely push him on the cart. Then, when he does cover him, Shane kicks out. Finally, Angle devises an (admittedly) contrived solution - the Angle Slam from the top rope with help from a wooden board - but its obvious that there is nothing left in the tank. But while I thoroughly enjoy this match and think both guys work incredibly hard and execute things flawlessly at times (Shane's kickout after he inadvertently hits a 7 Year Itch on a trashcan is remarkable), there is still the nagging sense that this match spits in the face of pro-wrestling a bit too much. I get it - this is Angle's third match of the night, Shane has the advantage of weapons and is the fresh man, Angle "toys" with him too much, Shane is battle-tested (having defeated Big Show, Test, and Vince McMahon prior to this)....but, at the end of the day, the untrained boss's son is able to go toe-to-toe with an Olympic Gold Medalist. He kicks out of the kind of beating that would've, could've, and probably should've paralyzed him. This match is an action movie inside a ring, but there will always be that sense that instead of pitting Schwarzeneggar vs. Stallone, we're watching The Terminator struggle to put away Rob Schneider. And like imagining Schneider get ripped apart and shot to shreds by a heartless cyborg, I'm not saying that this match doesn't bring a smile to my face. I'm just saying that, by its very nature, I'm not sure how I'd rank it on a list of best WWE matches of its time or any time. What are your thoughts?

I was definitely going to skip RAW tonight, as I typically do for most RAWs, but now I'm sitting in front of the TV, counting down the minutes, guaranteed to watch the opening segment. If anything, I'd say the WWE should've held off on the announcement for one week (and built up to it this week with music videos and hype) and maybe had a WWE writer edit his Tweet to be a more cryptic. His use of the word "excited" seems to point to him not retiring...but if he does announce his retirement, it would be an, at best, odd word choice (and, at worse, kind of infuriating and "trollish").

Right now, Cody Rhodes doesn't look like a future WWE Champion...but there was a time, in 2013, that he seemed poised for a breakout feud with the Authority. I could also see Miz getting another run sometime. He's been doing quite good this year, essentially wrestling handicap matches every night. In-ring, he's never going to be confused with (Insert Beloved Technician Here) but he's getting to that point where is consistently able to deliver 3-stars. When you add more sizzle, more build, and more theatrics to a 3-star match, you get a main event in today's WWE. Luke Harper may not be a WWE Champion...but I could see him in a "main event level" program. He's a monster of a guy, he's very competent in the ring, and whoever the babyface ace is over the next few years is going to need monsters to slay. Big Show, Henry, and Kane won't last forever and all have gotten multiple runs in the main event over the past 5 years. Mark Henry and JBL were definitely not on anybody's radar as potential WWE Champions in the late 90s and Henry was involved in a romance angle with an 80 year old woman (and a transvestite too, IIRC). Hell, Fake Diesel was a worse gimmick than anyone on that list. I think the larger point you were trying to make, though, is one I do agree with - that the writing/booking/promoting has done a miserable job of keeping character motivations and arcs consistent, which has led to meaningless rivalries and no upward promotion of anyone. Fans don't want to get behind anyone because everyone is on a treadmill.

I'd be surprised to hear that there's a counter-argument to that. Austin is definitely the "dirtiest" of the top level guys that Vince has pushed - not just Hogan and The Rock, but Bret Hart, Shawn Michaels, Cena, Angle, Lesnar, Luger, Sid, Orton and Batista's original babyface pushes...all highly marketable "clean" presentations that were never about being an everyman and way more about being a Superstar with an uppercase S (Hart might be arguable). Warrior, Taker, and Savage were more cartoonish and "louder" personalities than Bryan, Punk, and Jeff Hardy (and we could, in 2015, be adding Ambrose to the list of very over guys that have an "earthy"/punk/redneck character).

On the Sting thing, I know its hokey as all shit, but couldn't they have run some segments/angles where there was (a) no Sting, but "technicality difficulties" that would lead one to believe Sting was the culprit or ( impostor/fake Stings that are shown to be fake. Y'know, "mind games." I just think, thematically, these are things that would keep the storyline going and be within Sting's character, but don't require Steve Borden to be anywhere near a WWE show.

Halloween Havoc 91'. I've seen HH91' get called one of the worst shows ever, probably due to the hokeyness of Chamber of Horrors match and Simmons/Luger obviously not living up to what WCW/NWA fans may have expected from a World Title main event match compared to what they got with Flair, but as a kid, this show was mind-blowing. The midcard of this show also includes some of the worst gimmicks of its time (Oz, The Patriots, Van Hammer). Still, even as a time capsule to go back and watch, this one puts a smile on my face from beginning to end.

I went to the show last night, had a good (albeit expensive) time. Some notes from the live perspective... * Not sure if they announced it as a legit sellout, but the Q was definitely packed pretty well. A few years back, the WWE set their personal best ticket sales in Cleveland for a RAW episode featuring The Rock and I'm not sure it was THAT crowded last night, but I wouldn't be surprised if it was close. All the lower sections and middle sections were full, with even the upper upper deck probably 80% filled. As far as I know, no papering either. Cleveland loves it some WWE. * Obviously, hometown hero Dolph Ziggler was very over. Great way to kickoff the show and it was cool to see him win the IC title in "his city." * A fight broke out in the crowd during Swagger/Rusev that distracted a fair number of people. Still, I think everyone bit that initial Accolade and when Swagger reversed it, people were genuinely shocked. * Everyone was surprised that Cena/Rollins went on early. This, in my opinion, was a mistake as the crowd was a bit burnt out for Ambrose/Wyatt. In Cleveland, Cena is still very over - aside from the initial Cena boos for his entrance, you could really tell that the crowd was pretty much 80% behind him by the end. Throw in Reigns showing up and it seems like that would've been a much more suitable way to cap off the night. * Half the crowd seemed to clear out to get food or use the bathroom after Cena/Rollins - but I'm not sure its because AJ/Nikki was a "bathroom break." Its just that, after Cena/Rollins, there was a feeling that this was "intermission." In fact, I wish I had waited and had my cigarette during Ryback/Kane instead, which was probably the deadest match of the night. Ryback got a decent pop, but nothing to write home about. * The main event was really fun, but it took time to wake up the crowd a little bit. Ambrose was very over. Bray Wyatt's entrance is AWESOME in person - comparable to what its like when the Undertaker shows up. With everyone holding out their phone and the non-dynamic theme song, it is just a surreal couple of minutes when you are there after all the heavy metal and pyro and cannon shots that typically announce a wrestler's arrival. The only complaints I heard were from people who wanted Ambrose to use the even-bigger ladders that were near the stage. Obviously, the ending was the ending, but overall, I think people were genuinely pleased with the show. As always, the funnest part of a WWE show might be leaving a WWE show - hearing the reactions of everyone and talking to strangers about what could happen next is always fun. Again, I think the crowd left overall happy. I didn't hear anyone call it a shitty show, just that it may have been better to end with Cena/Rollins, which I agree would've made more sense.