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I've been thinking about doing this for a few days, and now seems like the time to do it. I rescind the Steamboat trade to Southeastern and Boon can keep the Nightmares, if this is something Boon wants. Steamboat, Fernandez, Ole and Robinson can go into whatever pool we decide we make for new writers, if that is the way we go. Mulligan will be traded to JCP for Brad Rheingans. I still intend to find a way to make a deal for Jake the Snake, it can involve two, three or four other promotions if need be, but that is something I want to do. The idea I have for him is just too much fun. If one of the four wrestlers above who would be going into the pool can free up somebody Boon will take for Jake, consider it a done deal.

Discussion about what constitutes inactivity is something that we should deal with in the thread. I tend to agree that leaving something for new writers is necessary. I just don't want to take the option away from people to absorb another territory when I have already done that. As for taking the top 5 workers off a territory and putting them somewhere, this is an interesting idea. But who are the top 5 workers? It could be argued that Leo Burke and Backlund would be on that list for IWF. Something like that is subjective both to personal tastes and geography. I'd like to see roster flexibility for people coming in, but I also think there are those who feel like fresh talent out of drop-outs is a shot in the arm. There needs to be some way of balancing this out.

There's been a lot of argument over this and I understand that it's a hard thing to deal with. This whole thing has changed by a whole lot over the last month and it's not going to be easy to deal with regardless of how you look at it. There are a lot of things that need to be decided, both in terms of participation and how everything is distributed once the dust clears. So I made polls for us to do it democratically. My feeling on the first is that people who have gotten mergers should abstain from voting as it seems like we have gotten the treasure trove and it ought to be up to those who have not if they get the same. After these things are settled, I think it would be good to talk about how all of the territory from IWF and Stampede will be parceled out. I will be the first to say I want none of it. Quebec, the Maritimes and Ottawa are enough for me forever and that's the way it stays. I think this is the most civil and the best way of deciding some tough questions that there are strong feelings on. Majority rules and we go with that regardless. There has to be a clear direction and I think this is the only way. As suggested in the other topic we need to also define inactivity.

I'm fine with giving Vancouver and PR the label of "dummy promotion" in one sense, but it's a difficult thing once it comes down to execution. If we get a new writer who wants to come in, which one goes? Do Boricua and Wahoo have any say? What process is used to determine these answers? How do we make it fair? I want to see Boricua's vision for PR, even if it takes a while to get there, because I think he is singularly qualified to define that territory. But I also want to see this thing work without deteriorating further. The frustrating nature of things as they are has already factored into several people leaving and I don't want to see it continue.

I don't want anyone out. My roster is enough to support me for a long, long time and I have no need of more. What I want is active promotions to read and deal with. The feeling of an actual system of territories operating on roughly the same schedule.

Another excellent episode from one of my favorite tag teams. Always love listening to you guys, keep it up!

To me that's just a part of the argument. There's also the issue of so many drafts and drop-outs being a huge distraction. Hard to have plans and execute them when you know they will change again in two weeks when two more people drop out. By the time you have re-calibrated, you have to do it all over again.

Kris quit because part of his show was meant to be a showcase for the rest of the NWA. It's hard to showcase something that's barely there. That's just one reason, but I think it illustrates that this is in the end a cooperative venture and we need to all at least be present.

Why did Kris quit? How are these "around the country" shows going to run on two or three promotions? How many drafts do we need in the space of a month or two? I think it's time to address that.

I want to be sure that everyone who hasn't gotten a merger is okay with that. Secondly, if that is the way of it, I'm looking at All Star and WWC and asking what the status of their catch-up is. This constant need of a draft or absorption lately needs to end. I think a lot of the recent inactivity is people waiting to see how everything shakes out and it's taking a long time to do that. So please don't take this as any kind of insult to anyone running a promotion that's behind, but a request for some kind of concrete notion of where everyone's promotions are and what they want to do. If you don't see yourself making this work, let us know now.

I don't have one lined up nor do I want one. In that case then, I propose that the AWA gets a shot at one roster (if what you say is correct and peach is done) and whatever is left after either goes into a draft or we start up a new western Canadian promotion.

There is always the chance somebody could jump in. If all of Canada besides me is gone that's a bit much to go into any one promotion. My suggestion would be this: 1. We put it up for people to move or join. 2. Wahoo, if he wants and is still planning on posting shows, takes a crack at the IWF roster. 3. If Wahoo isn't planning on sticking around, the AWA takes over one promotion out of the three and the others go into a draft with whatever is left from the one he picks. He can run the western part of Canada freely unless we want to use those other two rosters as a new Canadian promotion west of Quebec. Still, I would urge Grimmas to change his mind because I think he has a lot of great ideas and should be a part of this.

Sad to see Jack Tunney go. He's been a good neighbor and co-promoter. I hope his shoes get filed well.

October 10th, 1983, Auditorium de Shawinigan, Shawinigan, QC (3,700, sellout) The Gerrard Brothers defeated Frederic Tremblay & Etienne Bergeron with a Bobby Gerrard side suplex on Bergeron Quebec Heavyweight Champion Richard Charland defeated Bob Marcus in a non-title match with a piledriver Stonehead Ishimoto defeated Joe Marcus with a running neckbreaker Rene Goulet, Dave Kochen & Tony Ricco defeated Hurricane Kamiguchi, Goldie Rogers & Steve Regal with a Kochen inside cradle on Rogers Quebec TV Tag Champions The Tongan Terrors & Mad Dog Lefebvre defeated the Can Am Express & Invader 1 with a Tonga John running big boot on Lafon Louis Laurence defeated Dan Johnson with a schoolboy despite interference from Charland Gino Brito, Tony Parisi & Invader 3 defeated Canadian International Tag Team Champions The Midnight Express & Gilles Poisson with an Invader 3 running senton on Poisson

I will also be passing.

Great show! The ending was a nice cliffhanger and I dug the B/W coin deal. I like how the show flowed together from one segment to another a lot.

Great finish to the main! Big doings in the Apollo vs. Lothario feud, which is becoming my third favorite feud you have running. Loved the Welch getting screwed out of a win but not killed for it. The Masters/Anderson experiment would appear to be over. And way to go Steve Pardee! That guys is really plucky, somebody the crowd can really get behind. Underdog babyfaces are always a great thing in my book.

So much great stuff coming out of Southeastern. The roster boost seems like it hasn't tripped you up at all.

Good idea for a start to the weekly "around the AWA" show. Get everyone started at the beginning and work from there.

I tend to agree, but it's wrestling. It's been bass-ackwards in that respect since forever and I'm not sure it will ever change.

Great setup show for St. Louis! The countdown shows have been making good progress towards the big card and I'm excited for over half the card.

LOL, who knows. The fact that half of my original teams speak mainly French could prove to be an interesting point of face/heel alignment depending where we had the tourney. Given all the tag teams we both have I think we'd be able to do a fairly lengthy tournament if it ever did happen.

October 8th, 1983, Centre des Loisirs, Thetford Mines, QC (2,500, sellout) Quebec TV Tag Champions The Tongan Terrors defeated the Marcus Brothers with a Tonga John running big boot to Joe Marcus Canadian International Tag Team Champions The Midnight Express defeated the Gerrard Brothers with a suplex lift into a second rope powerslam The Can Am Express defeated Quebec Heavyweight Champion Richard Charland & Dan Johnson with a dropkick/cobra clutch combo on Johnson, the Tongan Terrors attacked post-match leading to a standoff Tony Parisi defeated Steve Regal with a flying senton Gilles Poisson & Earth and Sky defeated the Invaders & Rene Goulet with a Poisson bearhug on Invader 1, the match was an all-out brawl with mask-ripping by both sides and dueling loaded headbutts that saw both Invaders, Poisson and Goulet bleeding

WWA x 2 Mid-South CWF

I really liked that show as a set-up to the 8-man and the Lothario-Apollo match. But Ash and Welch is still my favorite feud you have going. Masters getting set to take out Lord Parv Hayes is interesting.