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Yeah, I have Henry at 54 and Big Show at 55 right now. But, I have a feeling going back and rewatching some of this stuff is going to bump Henry up some more...I'm going to wait until the final day before I turn my ballot in...

Where do you think you'll have him ranked vs. Big Show? Just out of curiosity... Good read... I also loved the Hall of Pain run... I'm going to go back and revisit some of this before turning in my ballot for sure...

Matt D: "The animal intensity is part of why the botches don't really hurt the match..." Exactly. It feels like a FIGHT. I don't really have much to add, but just wanted to throw in on the love for this match. It was on a clearly different level of anything else on the card. I watched with other folks, and people were talking throughout the night... except during this match... it became silent and grew into a clear emotional investment in the story that was being told for everyone in the room. Matches like this remind me of why I was there for 4+ hours. I'm with Sleeze on this one... It's my favorite match of the year to this point. Also, the look on Brock's face during the calf crusher... priceless!

I get more excited to watch one of these WCCW episodes than I do the current product. I had Raw on mute this week while actually watching this on my phone. Bundy is so awesome here.

Haha nice! If this were a real fan club in the 80s youd mail out a decoder pen... and he could change the name of his finisher to the decoder pin.

I would buy an Al Madril Fan Club shirt... all in. Ha.

This is a cool thread. I wanted to try to do this for my man Savage, but maybe someone with a better memory can help me out. Off the top of my head I thought of these: 1984: Randy Savage & Lanny Poffo vs. The Rock N Roll Express - 06/25/1984 1985: Randy Savage vs. Jerry Lawler - 06/03/1985 1986: Randy Savage vs. Tito Santana - 05/04/1986 1987: Randy Savage vs. Ricky Steamboat - 02/15/1987 1988: Randy Savage vs. Ted DiBiase - 06/25/1988 1989: Randy Savage vs. Hulk Hogan - WMV or? 1990: Randy Savage vs. Tenryu - 04/13/1990 1991: Randy Savage vs. The Ultimate Warrior - 03/24/1991 1992: Randy Savage vs. Ric Flair - WMVIII 1993 and 94? not sure...? 1995: Randy Savage vs. Ric Flair - Great American Bash 1996: Surely I'm missing something? can't be Bash at the Beach right? 1997: Randy Savage vs. DDP - Spring Stampede 1998: Randy Savage vs. Bret Hart - Slamboree 1998

I watched the Prime Time prior to WM3 as well, and I was kind of surprised at the lack of push to purchase the PPV as well. They did mention it more than the SNME, but the matches they showed weren't really a huge push towards the PPV. Bobby and Guerilla had their usual back and forth about Hogan and Andre, and they mentioned the show was 6 days away, but they didn't come out and say go buy the PPV (or mention it right before they went off the air). I found it a little odd. Maybe there are some commercials that are edited out of the Network that we don't see. Or, maybe I'm just so used to being beaten over the head with things now it just felt like they didn't push it that hard. I will add I loved that episode of SNME. The battle royal was awesome, loved the Piper stuff, really enjoyed the Roberts/Bundy match, and all things Macho Man.

As you can see, I guess the link we used has been taken down unfortunately :/ Maybe Paul knows another way to find it...

Just for fun, if I had to pick 10 guys from this list... Well, I'd write in Rick Martel if I could, but... -Jimmy Hart -CM Punk -Sgt. Slaughter -Jun Akiyama -Akira Taue -Don Owen -Blue Panther -Villano III -AJ Styles -Chavo Sr... probably ...

Yeah, I love both of those moments too. Hogan crawling away from the splash and the Andre moment at the end. This match is tons of fun, and you gotta love Hogan in the face paint.

With the full MSG shows being harder to find lately, Ive been following along with you guys watching all the Prime Times on the Network. Its a great companion to the podcast and also fun viewing when considering the GWWE project.

Glad you guys are back!

This is not even close to being a wrestler, but I was once asked to work as a bodyguard for a foreign heel in a local southern promotion around here. I can tell you, it was a blast. People were calling me a traitor yelling other things at me. When I was in the ring, the face "scared me" into running away and leaving the heel to take a few punches to the face before retreating with me. It was really fun. For fans of indie wrestling, I remember Nick (now in The Carnies) worked that show.

I took it Neville lost his shot, and not the entire roster. I think they'll build to eventually him actually getting the shot (after a few other people get shots first). I could see taking it that way about the roster (I didn't see it that way).. it did make me want to see what happens next.

It was announced on the show as a sell out, but who knows... How much of decline is being officially reported? I'm going to watch 205 Live this week too, I'm not a fan of Enzo at all, but I gotta say ... I really want to see people take him out. Love the Jamie Dundee comparison....

I'm with peachchaos in that the tag match was my favorite match of the night. I hope they keep Cesaro and Sheamus together for a while, and eventually get the belts back on them. I too want to see them in the main event scene as well. I haven't watched Raw yet, because I prefer Hulu without commercials... but... I don't necessarily think the Shield guys vs. the Miz guys would be a bad thing. Miz is a pretty awesome heel. He deserves to be in the main event scene with them at this point. I can't think of anyone else cutting better heel promos right now.

I wonder if any opinions would be different if the Brock/Braun match would have happened before the Cena/Reigns match? I think having Reigns kick out of SO MANY finishers would hurt any match that followed it. I think it amplified the feelings of folks behind Braun when he was put down with "just one?" F5. I do think that it would still have upset some based on what I'm reading, but I really think Cena and Roman should have gone last. I personally would have preferred it if they had found more creative ways to build the closing moments in their (cena/roman) match. Ultimately, and maybe I'm wrong, but ultimately I think all those finishers are really hurting the storytelling in matches and the flow of cards.

That's awesome!

I just finished this set, and I thought it would be fun to rank all 150 matches to see how my rankings would compare to the DVDR Best of the 1980's Mid South Results. First of all, I have to say this is probably my favorite collection of matches I've ever watched. I would have, at least, my top 49 at **** or greater. I absolutely loved watching all 150! I can't say that there was a single match that I didn't at least like. Here's my top 150 with the DVDR Ranking listed with it. 1. Ted DiBiase vs. Hacksaw Duggan (No DQ, LLT, CMG on a Pole, Tuxedo, Cage Match) - 3/22/85 (DVDR Ranked #1) 2. Hacksaw Duggan vs. Buzz Sawyer - 11/11/85 (DVDR Ranked #4) 3. Ted DiBiase vs. Ric Flair - 11/6/85 (DVDR Ranked #3) 4. Magnum T.A. vs. Ted DiBiase - (No DQ, OKC) - 5/27/84 (DVDR Ranked #23) 5. Magnum T.A. vs. Ted DiBiase - (No DQ, Tulsa) - 5/27/84 (DVDR Ranked #8) 6. Dick Murdoch vs. Butch Reed - 9/22/85 (DVDR Ranked #6) 7. Dick Murdoch vs. Butch Reed - 10/14/85 (DVDR Ranked #11) 8. Ted DiBiase vs. Jim Duggan - No DQ - 3/8/85 (DVDR Ranked #7) 9. Midnight Express vs. Bill Watts & Stagger Lee - 4/22/84 (DVDR Ranked #41) 10.Barry Windham vs. Dick Murdoch - 7/11/87(DVDR Ranked #2) 11.Ric Flair vs. Terry Taylor - 5/3/85 - DVDR #27 12.Mr. Olympia vs. Chavo Guerrero - 6/24/83 - DVDR #5 13.Butch Reed vs. Buzz Sawyer - 12/31/85 - Dog Collar Match - DVDR #36 14.Ric Flair vs. Jake Roberts - 11/24/85 - DVDR #14 15.Dick Murdoch vs. Ted DiBiase - 12/31/85 - DVDR #15 16.Ric Flair vs. Wahoo McDaniel - 7/12/85 - DVDR #20 17.Ted DiBiase vs. Hacksaw Duggan - Street Fight - 7/29/83 - DVDR #22 18.Rock N Roll Express & Hacksaw Duggan vs. Midnight Express & Ernie Ladd - 6/28/84 - DVDR #13 19.Terry Taylor vs. Ric Flair - 6/1/85 - DVDR #16 20.Terry Gordy vs. Dr. Death - 6/22/86 - DVDR #17 21.The Fabulous Ones vs. Chavo & Hector Guerrero (Mexican Death Match) - 1/24/86 - DVDR #26 22.Ric Flair vs. Kerry Von Erich - 4/28/85 - DVDR #48 23.Hacksaw Duggan vs. Buzz Sawyer - 12/27/85 - Dog Collar - DVDR #30 24.Magnum T.A. vs. Ted DiBiase - 7/6/84 - DVDR #18 25.Rock N Roll Express vs. Ted DiBiase & Dr. Death - 5/3/85 - DVDR #96 26.JYD & Mr. Olympia vs. Ted DiBiase & Matt Borne (LLT) - 10/27/82 - DVDR #10 27.Mr. Wrestling II & Magnum T.A. vs. Midnight Express - 2/10/84 - DVDR #32 28.Mr. Wrestling II & Magnum T.A. vs. Butch Reed & Jim Neidhart (Cage) - 12/25/83 - DVDR #9 29.Buddy Landel, Chavo & Hector Guerrero vs. Brickhouse Brown, Bill Dundee & Jose Lothario (Elimination Match) - 11/16/84 - DVDR #84 30.Ted DiBiase & Terry Taylor vs. Michael Hayes & Buddy Roberts - 10/12/86 - Country Whipping Match - DVDR #33 31.Dick Slater vs. Jake Roberts - No DQ - 2/14/86 - DVDR #40 32.Rock N Roll Express vs. Midnight Express - 6/30/85 - DVDR #52 33.Ric Flair vs. Kerry Von Erich - 5/4/85 - DVDR #44 34.The Fantastics vs. Chavo & Hector Guerrero - 10/12/84 - DVDR #29 35.Fabulous Ones vs. Guerreros - 12/27/85 - DVDR #68 36.Dick Slater vs. Jake Roberts - No DQ w/ Dark Journey in a Cage - 2/28/86 - DVDR #28 37.Terry Gordy vs. Hacksaw Duggan - 8/3/86 - DVDR #37 38.One Man Gang vs. Big Bubba Rogers - 4/19/87 - DVDR #38 39.Chris Adams vs. Terry Taylor - 5/3/87 - DVDR #12 40.Dick Murdoch vs. Ted DiBiase 12/27/85 (JIP) - DVDR #19 41.The Fantastics vs. Midnight Express - 8/9/84 - DVDR #45 42.Midnight Express vs. Rock N Roll Express - No DQ: Tag Titles vs. $50,000 - 5/23/84 - DVDR #61 43.Ted DiBiase vs. Bob Sweetan - 10/11/85 - Taped Fist - DVDR #35 44.Dick Murdoch vs. Dr. Death - 6/13/87 - DVDR #21 45.The Fantastics & Terry Taylor vs. The Sheepherders & Jack Victory - 5/9/86 - DVDR #74 46.Ted DiBiase vs. One Man Gang - 11/18/1986 - DVDR #78 47.Terry Gordy vs. Dr. Death - 9/28/86 - DVDR #31 48.Terry Gordy vs. Dr. Death - 12/26/86 - DVDR #43 49.Ted DiBiase & Dr. Death vs. Terry Gordy & Michael Hayes - Badstreet Match - 1/25/87 - DVDR #117 50.Hacksaw Duggan & Dick Murdoch vs. Kamala & Kareem Muhammad - 7/14/85 - DVDR #132 51.Ric Flair vs. Terry Taylor - 4/28/5 - DVDR #25 52.Brickhouse Brown & Master G vs. Butch Reed and Ernie Ladd - 10/21/84 - DVDR #136 53.Ted DiBiase vs. Jake Roberts - 7/22/85 - DVDR #42 54.Jake Roberts vs. Lord Humongous 11/29/85 - DVDR #129 55.Butch Reed vs. Dick Slater - 11/22/85 - DVDR #112 56.The Fantastics & Terry Taylor vs. The Sheepherders and Jack Victory (Barbed Wire Cage) 5/25/86 - DVDR #57 57.Ted DiBiase vs. One Man Gang, No DQ - 2/6/87 - DVDR #67 58.Rock N Roll Express vs. Dirty White Boys - 5/11/85 - DVDR #46 59.The Fantastics vs. Bill Dundee & Dutch Mantell - 9/22/85 - DVDR #47 60.Ted DiBiase vs. Terry Taylor - 7/3/85 - DVDR #49 61.Butch Reed vs. Ric Flair - 10/11/85 - DVDR #51 62.Butch Reed vs. Ric Flair - 11/8/85 - DVDR #53 63.Fabulous Ones vs. Guerreros - 12/29/85 - DVDR #64 64.Terry Gordy vs. Dr. Death - 12/26/86 - DVDR #55 65.Nick Bockwinkel vs. Dusty Rhodes - 5/20/83 - DVDR #148 66.The Fantastics vs. Midnight Express - No DQ - 9/28/84 - DVDR #62 67.Dick Slater vs. Jake Roberts - 1/24/86 - DVDR #90 68.Fabulous Ones vs. Guerreros - 2/28/86 - Cage - DVDR #54 69.Terry Gordy vs. Dr. Death - 9/15/86 - DVDR #34 70.Dick Murdoch vs. The Nightmare - 7/14/85 - DVDR #58 71.Michale Hayes & Buddy Roberts vs. Ted DiBiase & Terry Taylor - 5/25/86 - DVDR #72 72.Ernie Ladd & Butch Reed vs. Magnum T.A. & Master G - Street Fight - 11/4/84 - DVDR #101 73.Rock N Roll Express vs. Ted DiBiase & Dr. Death - 6/19/85 - DVDR #65 74.Rock N Roll Express vs. Jake Roberts & Barbarian - 6/28/85 - DVDR #76 75.Ted DiBiase & Dr. Death vs. Jake Roberts & Barbarian - 7/14/85 - DVDR #56 76.Hacksaw Duggan, Terry Taylor, & Bill Watts vs. The Fab Freebirds - 8/17/86 - DVDR #77 77.Dick Slater vs. Hacksaw Duggan - 4/11/86 - 118 78.Rock N Roll Express & Hacksaw Duggan vs. Midnight Express & Ernie Ladd - 7/2/84 - 59 79.Buddy Landel & Butch Reed vs. Rock N Roll Express - 3/28/84 - 106 80.Ted DiBiase vs. Brad Armstrong - 2/10/85 - 66 81.Chavo Guerrero vs. Buzz Sawyer - 6/13/86 - 81 82.Eddie Gilbert & Dick Murdoch vs. Lightning Express - 7/21/87 - 85 83.Butch Reed vs. Skip Young - 9/23/84 - 128 84.Midnight Express vs. Bill Dundee & Porkchop Cash - 4/6/84 - 102 85.Butch Reed vs. Iron Sheik - 4/8/83 - 142 86.Rock N Roll Express vs. Midnight Express - 1/21/85 - 75 87.Buddy Landell, Chavo & Hector vs. Rock N Roll & Jose Lothario - 1/18/85 - 113 88.Rock N Roll vs. Chavo & Hector - 2/13/85 - 39 89.Ric Flair vs. Butch Reed - 8/10/85 - 24 90.Ted DiBiase vs. Bob Sweetan - 10/13/85 - 83 91.Terry Taylor vs. Jake Roberts - 2/11/86 - 82 92.Ted DiBiase & Dr. Death vs. Hacksaw Duggan & Terry Gordy - Texas Tornado Match - 1/21/85 - 88 93.Dick Slater vs. Jake Roberts - 1/1/86 - 99 94.Ted DiBiase & Dr. Death vs. Dick Murdoch & Masked SS - 2/14/86 - 71 95.The Fantastics vs. Dutch Mantell & Bill Dundee - 10/4/85 - 100 96.Adrian Street vs. Chris Adams - 10/10/84 - 139 97.Mr. Olympia vs. Bob Roop - 7/15/82 - 69 98.JYD & Mr. Olympia vs. Ted DiBiase & Hacksaw Duggan - 8/18/82 - 95 99.Buzz Sawyer vs. Dr. Death - 1/28/86 - 50 100.Bob Roop vs. Mike George - 12/16/81 - 105 101.Dick Slater vs. Jim Duggan - 12/31/85 - 119 102.Chavo Guerrero vs. Steve Keirn - 1/31/86 - 97 103.Ted DiBiase, Dr. Death & Terry Taylor & Duggan vs. Murdoch, Sawyer, Masked SS - 2/28/86 - 98 104.Terry Gordy vs. One Man Gang - 9/21/86 - 80 105.Chris Adams vs. Terry Taylor - 4/19/87 - 60 106.The Fantastics & Dr. Death vs. The Fab Freebirds - 1/18/87 - 104 107.Kevin Von Erich vs. Chris Adams - 1/18/85 - 121 108.Rock N Roll Express vs. Terry Gordy and Buddy Roberts - 6/24/85 - 92 109.Ted DiBiase vs. Butch Reed - 7/25/85 - 93 110.Fantastics, Duggan vs. Midnights w/ Cornette - 7/20/84 - 122 111.Fantastics vs. Buzz Sawyer & Dick Slater - 10/27/85 - 107 112.Al Perez and Wendell Colley vs. Dr. Death and Bob Sweetan - 8/30/85 - 123 113.Dirty White Boys vs. Terry Daniels and Bill Dundee - 5/11/85 - 73 114.Dick Murdoch vs. Dr. Death - 9/2/85 - 110 115.Dr. Death & Jake Roberts vs. The Fantastics - 4/14/85 - 70 116.Bob Roop vs. Ted DiBiase - 4/2/82 - 133 117.Jim Duggan, Dick Murdoch & Bill Watts vs. Kamala, Kareem Muhammad & Skandor Akbar - 7/28/85 - 137 118.Eddie Gilbert and Dick Murdoch vs. Terry Gordy and Buddy Roberts - 6/25/87 - 108 119.Duggan, Taylor, Watts vs. Freebirds - 7/20/86 - 111 120.DiBiase & Doc vs. Hayes & Roberts - LJ Match - 8/31/86 - 94 121.DiBiase & Doc vs. Gordy and Hayes - Badstreet - 1/9/87 - 109 122.Eddie Gilbert vs. Dr. Death - 5/17/87 - 89 123.Terry Taylor vs. John Tatum - 8/17/86 - 63 124.Brad Armstrong vs. Ted DiBiase - 1/16/85 - 115 125.Dick Slater vs. Butch Reed - 1/1/86 - 86 126.OMG vs. Buck Robley - LJM - 9/15/82 - 116 127.Rock N Roll Express vs. Dirty White Boys - 4/15/85 - 130 128.Gustavo Mendoza vs. Brett Wayne Sawyer - 5/9/86 - 127 129.Killer Khan vs. Chris Adams - 9/9/84 - 131 130.Mr. Wrestling II & JYD vs. Matt Borne and Ted DiBiase - 2/16/83 - 134 131.Stagger Lee and Mr. Olympia vs. Ted DiBiase and Matt Borne - 12/18/82 - 147 132.Mr. Olympia vs. Paul Orndorf - 2/3/82 - 138 133.Dusty Rhodes, Hacksaw Duggan vs. Butch Reed and Hercules Hernandez - 8/19/84 - 140 134.Rock N Roll Express vs. Midnight Express - Scaffold Match - 12/2/84 - 146 135.Fantastics & Missing Link vs. Eddie Gilbert, John Tatum, and Sting - 8/3/86 - 114 136.Terry Gordy vs. Terry Taylor - 6/17/86 - 91 137.Dick Slater vs. Dr. Death - 12/18/85 - 125 138.Rock N Roll Express & Butch Reed vs. Dr. Death, Kamala, and OMG - 144 139.Terry Taylor vs. Buddy Roberts - 6/8/86 - 120 140.Koko Ware vs. Eddie Gilbert - 2/28/86 - 126 141.Butch Reed vs. Dick Slater - 12/13/85 - 145 - clipped, I still liked it and have read good things about the full version. 142.Terry Gordy vs. Terry Taylor (JIP) - 6/13/86 - 103 143.Chris Adams and Terry Taylor vs. Eddie G. and Iceman Parsons - 3/20/87 - 135 144.The Fantastics vs. John Tatum and Jack Victory - 11/04/86 - 87 145.The Fantastics vs. Eddie Gilbert and Sting - 9-7-86 - 141 146.Brett Sawyer and Al Perez vs. Dick Murdoch and Masked SS - 1/19/86 - 124 147.Eddie Gilbert and The Nightmare vs. The Bruise Brothers - 143 148.JYD vs. Nick Bockwinkel - 6/11/82 - 149 149 (actually 150 because I missed one when I listed) - Adrian Street vs. Terry Taylor - LLT - 12/7/84 - 150 ***I accidentally left out DVDR Ranked #79 Ted DiBiase, Dr. Death, and Jim Duggan vs. Masked SS, Dick Murdoch, and Buzz Sawyer from 01/31/1986. I had that one around ***1/2, and I don't think that would be too far off from where I would place it.

It should be noted that Dick Murdoch put Dr. Death in that cast after a match with Eddie Gilbert in which Murdoch was in Gilbert's corner (5/17/1986). Murdoch jumped off the top rope crashing into Death's arm on top of a chair. Ross and Magnum put it over like it could be a career ending injury. Doc was ready for revenge here, so he does everything he can to return the favor. Rightfully so, his focus is on the left arm of Dick Murdoch. And yes, I don't think Doc has ever been in match that Ross was calling without the Sooners being mentioned. I thought this was a great match. It told a good story. Murdoch tried everything from a mic stand, to a ring bell, and the help of EG, but he just couldn't keep the big man down.

The Fabs are without a doubt in my personal top 5 and this match rules! I've loved seeing them as heels work the Guerreros as faces. Especially because of how much I enjoyed the Guerreros as heels prior to this and Fabs as faces in Memphis.

The Fabs as faces in Memphis are one of my favorite tag teams ever, and I absolutely loved the Guerreros as heels during the earlier years of the mid-south set. It has been really cool watching them work these past few matches with the heel and face dynamic reversed. I've really enjoyed it. Two really great tag teams that were great at being faces or heels.

Yeah, this was a really great violent and intense match. I'm with you on the commentary, I thought it was really bland. If JR had been calling this thing, I think it would be even more remembered by some. He even mentioned that the fans were sitting and he didn't feel like chanting Duggan, then he said, "I guess they are ready for him to comeback now" or something like that. Not good. Anyway, I loved the action and thought it was great follow-up to the previous classic. Sawyer really sold the beating well and yes, great story of Duggan getting lost in the beatdown only to lose to chair shot.

I'm wondering if the match on the set is a different version, and that is why you didn't like it as much? It seemed to me that about 6 minutes into the match, the commentator and announcer in the building state that the match has been going on for 15 minutes. I didn't notice the clip, but it leads me to believe that the version on the set is probably clipped and likely the version on the NWA site is not clipped. I could be wrong, but that's a guess...