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  1. Oh god in my memory Hogan just disappeared with no explanation immediately after the Doomsday Cage match, but instead for some reason Hogan continues the feud with Arn and Sullivan (despite both beating both the DoD and Horsemen in the Doomsday Cage and also Arn/Sullivan having a spat and apparently breaking up their alliance), but now with The BOOTY BOOTY BOOTY BOOTY BOOTY Man instead of Macho, who is completely moved on along with Flair into their own angle that is entirely separated from this shit. Then Booty Man gets hurt I guess and so Hogan gets to demolish Arn/Sullivan in a handicap match, almost beat up Woman and Liz, then beat up Jimmy Hart, and THEN, after having decisively defeated The Giant in a cagematch at SuperBrawl and Giant since having been built back up with matches against Flair and Sting in recent weeks, completely no sells the chokeslam and slams Giant in a little skirmish that was a set up for a promo. This shit is just off the charts. Everything Hogan has done in 1996 has been just fucking terrible, but in the 2-3 weeks before and after Uncensored, it's like he's entirely in his own universe that is not connected to the rest of the show or promotion in any way. And it is so, so, so out of touch and stale. I believe after this, he doesn't show up again until the NWO SWERVE. Why on earth was he so intent to bury The Giant even when there was no reason to even have them interacting? It's even more blatant pandering to Hogan's ego because Giant is in the main event later in the show (in a team with Flair that makes no sense also but that's a different story) and the Hogan deal was completely ignored.
  2. Raw was usually fucking terrible when it was 1 and then 2 hours as well, though
  3. I think there are few things more objective than the quality of Raw being really fucking terrible for a really long time (like the vast majority of the show's existence, to be honest)
  4. I could swear he said he was retiring and becoming a full time musician after his WWE release and then he was back within 5-6 months.
  5. Finish was real interesting. I can't think of any non-young lions matches that didn't have an extended finishing sequence unless it was a flash pin/sub OUTTA NOWHERE in many years. Certainly not in a main event title match, and certainly not in an Okada match. That might have been more surprising than the actual result itself.
  6. strobogo

    Konnan

    That match is a disaster of botches, much like damn near any Konnan match even against top tier talent. I've never seen a guy gas so fast and half ass his moves so much. No fucking clue how this guy became a big star in Mexico and America because his "charisma" was just yelling shit and using lines from rap songs.
  7. I haven't seen any editing for content of anything. All kinds of breezy racism and crazy shit even on randomly weekly TV shows in the 80s/90s that aren't edited for content, no editing of New Jack or Benoit or any other problematic fella. I haven't even actually seen any disclaimers like the non-Peacock version had.
  8. On the scale of "wrestlers exposing and embarrassing themselves", Black going into detail about how much thought he put into his character because he was so passionate about what he does, that got shit canned without warning, is literally not even mentionable. Let this man say what he feels like he needs to say. Christ.
  9. Sanada gotta be thinking fuck it send me to AEW
  10. Lol match with Nick Gage is its own meme booking that a whole lot of talent and people who it doesn't make much sense other than for lolz do
  11. Sure, if you ignore the 18 years of precipitous and steady downfall before the Fiend garbage.
  12. Jericho has been instant groan for me in every appearance he's made anywhere since roughly 2012 or so. Even moving to part time, short runs in WWE for a number of years was just god go away man. Since then he's only gotten cornier, more annoying, and fatter. I get that he's the big star to get eyes on the company and all, but even WWE realized a decade ago he's best used in short, sporadic bursts and not constantly for months and months on end. And in AEW he clearly has no oversight with what he wants to do and it's been fucking awful from the start. He's holding back everyone that is associated with. I think it would be a great thing for him to go away for 9 months to a year and come back for 2-3 matches a year going forward and not be a regular talent in or out of the ring. His promos suck, his matches suck, his feuds going on way too long and also suck. He's got 3 dudes 30 and under dressing up like Sons of Anarchy extras because he has a shitty dad metal biker aesthetic so everyone around him has to have it, too.
  13. I don't think that's too weird, I spoke in the present tense about a job I didn't work at for a couple of months just out of habit.
  14. Lana sucks. Obviously her in ring stuff is bad, but her promos are also very bad. She was PASSABLE in her role as an 80s throw back gimmick bullshit. Atrocious once that got dropped. Her real life personality is entirely lacking in charisma and is some how more vapid seeming than her on screen character that has no characterization at all. She can only be a hinderance to him in AEW.
  15. Did Vince actually kick him to the curb? Sure seemed like he was willing to throw everything in the trash if Hulk was willing to stay with the company. The late 1995-early-mid 1996 run isn't just not putting anyone over, it's actively and (quite blatantly and obliviously) intentionally trying to drag everyone around him down. You can see the panic in his eyes when guys are getting better reactions or saying cool things that he wished he came up with. I'm completely convinced he hit Bischoff/Sullivan with a "that's not gonna work for me, brother" when the few weeks of Sting/Savage calling him on his bullshit got positive reactions from the crowd and suddenly the main event angle changed completely.
  16. At least in 1993-1994 he's not on TV every week. Once Nitro kicks off, he's on every show multiple times a week outside of a 2-3 week period where he was on the Darkside filming some shitty movie no one ever saw. He then kicks it into the highest gear as soon as 1996 starts. There's one promo that really stands out where he just goes on and on about how Liz took half of Macho's money/land/house etc while Savage is right next to him like this mother fucker. It's a promo Ric Flair should have been cutting on Savage, instead it was Hogan and it was clearly just to make Savage look bad.
  17. Man I don't think I've ever seen a more pathetic display of insecurity in a top guy than Hogan in 1996. There's a few week period where he literally just copies everything Savage is saying and doing including doing the OOOOOOHHH YEAAAAH every week IN THE PROMOS THAT SAVAGE IS STANDING RIGHT NEXT TO HIM. If Flair is doing something wild or storming the booth, Hogan has to do it, too. There's seriously a period where if Macho says anything cool in a promo, Hogan immediately jumps in and repeats it for himself like a fucking toddler begging for attention. After he LOSES to Arn, he declares himself the new Enforcer of WCW. Heading into SuperBrawl, he has a week where he has all four members of the Horsemen on their knees begging off from him. Just him. At SuperBrawl, after decisively beating the Giant, the entire Dungeon of Doom hits the ring and he beats up the ENTIRE group. By himself. Every single member runs into the cage and gets bounced by him, one by one. The next night, he has Arn giving up in the figure four and pins Ric Flair, who isn't even in the match, at the same time. Anytime any of the guys around him do or say something cool, he immediately and blatantly tries to co-opt it. You also have more subtle shit like Arn hitting a DDT on Savage costs Savage a match, but Hogan either completely shrugged the move off entirely or no sold it just because when it happened to him. Or the week after Arn gets a very tainted win over him, he comically completely and entirely runs through Arn in the rematch the next week. I remember all this stuff being bad but rewatching it and it's so glaringly obvious that he's freaking out at a lot of WCW crowds turning on him, and Savage/Sting/Lex/Flair getting better reactions (probably especially Savage and Flair, but he seems pretty shook that Lex Luger of all people ate him up on the mic in the first or second Nitro). There's a period where literally all the other guys involved in the main event angle are getting better reactions than him and suddenly Ric Flair doesn't cut any promos for a month despite being champion and Sting/Lex completely vanish from that whole scene and wanting to be WCW champion and instead just go do the full time tag team thing and Lex goes after...the TV championship. Such a vulgar and pathetic display of ego and insecurity and it really drags down Nitro, the Clash, and PPVs that were a lot of fun previously and immediately hit a wall when Hogan's ego was hurt.
  18. I don't think they're great together at all and in fact I 100% believe she drags him down and he's been better in every incarnation without her than he was with her.
  19. Further, what's the benefit of shitting all over WWE and/or Vince? Athletes in actual sports usually thank the franchise they were a part of after they get cut or traded as well. It's just part of being professional.
  20. Why wouldn't they thank WWE, though? For many if not most of them, getting to WWE is their dream and peak of their careers, they got a lot of exposure, world travel, WM sized crowds they'd never get anywhere else. There are a lot of experiences, both good and bad, that these people are only going to get working with WWE. I'd like to imagine most of these talents are less precious about shitty booking than fans are.
  21. First of, Strowman might legit need to be put on suicide watch. Secondly, lmao at Vince having this guy murder his son at WM and then cutting him 2 months later. Hopefully Lana is not hired by AEW. She can only drag Rusev down at this stage.
  22. I thought the Shida/Baker match was actually the biggest offender. They had 10 minutes of just awkward nothingness and then went into I think literally 10 false finishes directly in a row.
  23. It's one thing for all the heels to continue to pound on Hogan as he's hulking up and then throw punches to feed into the sequence. It's another for every guy on the roster to stand there for the hands in pockets spot or tapping kicks instead of just punching him in the fucking mouth.
  24. I think his whole shtick runs its course after the first time you see him have a match where he "tries". At least it did for me. We know he can wrestle like that all the time, so why doesn't he? And why are the announcers still surprised 2 years in when he actually does impressive wrestling stuff? It was all fine and dandy and entertaining when he was just doing this stuff on the outside of a match or as a third in a trio, but once he had the match with PAC, the facade of his character and gimmick were shattered but they keep up the pretenses of this cool guy who doesn't care about anything but very clearly does.
  25. Kong was very clearly physically shot and had no business being in the ring with AEW to begin with. This was evident in her last TNA run which was 2015/2016 and she could barely move even then.
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