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Remember how Crush in his jailbird/white-guy-with-dreads-and-face-tatoo/Nation of Domination period was using the heart punch as a finisher ? Yeah, everything about this was so awesome... For real though I enjoyed his music theme then. Some kick-ass FPS-like theme. But I enjoyed even more his droning, evil, Point&Click-like theme during his heel stint in 94. Jim Johnston could make me "care" about Crush just because I liked the music.

Yeah, to me it's really a case where context and production played a huge part. The whole territory was a smoke-screen for a family business that really had zilch to offer in term of good pro-wrestling (apart from a few really big match here and there, and mostly Flair showing up really). The matches weren't good. The promos sucked. The promotional tactics were really offensive (Fritz was a piece of trash). So yeah, you got Tom Sawyer (if you can handle listening to fucking Rush at *every fucking show*) and Freebird (which I never get tired of, then again I was born in a country where it's not even on the radar so it's not like I could get tired of it listening to it on the radio, first time I heard it was in ECW ) and a lot of young female fans screaming (just picture the "sex with underage" cases for a second). I don't have any fetish at all for 80's territories wrestling, and now less than ever, but WCCW easily ranks among the worst pro-wrestling stuff I've watched.

Well, that too. When I went through many of the territories TV a few years ago, WCCW was by far the worst and the whole Von Erich thing did not register at all with me in any way shape or form.

Mean Mark Callous used it as a finisher, yes. I thought it was a NXT 2.0 gimmick...

Damn ! Hey, glad you found something to enjoy there then !

Actually, tons of finishers are protected today. But there are like hundreds more moves than before, and only a few of them actually need to be protected, because if not, well, 90% of moves would be finishers.

Funny tidbit, the former Salina de la Renta talked about her experience at the Performance Center. So they had her work matches and cut no promo at all. The amazing sense of talent at the Performance Center, as always... And then she did not hear from them. And now that she's doing some OnlyFan stuff alongside Alicia Atout, needless to say it's not a given she'll end up there eventually. Would love to see her in either IMPACT or AEW, can be a great heel manager.

That works.

You don't have to watch it at all though, since you don't like the current stuff anyway. While I, as I'm watching the fucking NJPW G1 in 2021, am not supposed to get see a fucking CLAW HOLD by a goofball disguised in mongolian gimmick.

The People's Elbow was cool as a move. That's the difference to me. I'd rather have a move that is absolutely ludicrous and overtly ridiculous but actually cool and dynamic in its execution than a move that has some awkward "kayfabe" explanation dating back from the "let's play the marks" era but looks awfully dull (not to mention something that *anyone*, yours truly included, can execute). That's the difference to me. I know it's been an accepted spot, but the form of it makes it just a no-no for me. Here's hoping no one brings back the heart-punch as a finisher in NJPW.

Oh yes ! That one too ! And it was also brutal, from memory.

I don't want to see the claw period. Like, I don't want to see it. At all. Ever. Please, people. Just stop doing it. It makes me sad. Yeah, but that's part of Ibushi deranged genius. Only he could come up with something like this and make it work to boot.

It was a rhetorical question, I know what it's supposed to do... I used to massage the temples of my ex-girlfriend when she was hangover and I would absolutely do it in a claw way (not on her face though, but I absolutely thought about the damn wrestling hold !). To me it's like the infamous trapeze hold aka the samoan shoulder massage.

Ok boomer (sorry, but I had to do it eventually and that was the perfect spot for it ) But yeah, the claw is thrash. Makes the pro-wrestling fan in me die a little inside each time I see it.

Because it always looks like shit (and yes it includes the Von Erichs), it's incredibly dumb as a hold anyway (what is it supposed to accomplish apart from a face massage ?) and maybe it was cool in the 50's or something but for fuck's sake in 2021 it's embarrassing.

I've got headaches already. I find the rules to be overly complicated TBH, if you got the same points, just do fucking barrage matches like in sumo ! The same. I'd love ZSJ to win the Block, but I think he's gonna get beat by Tanga Loa, which is quite a disappointing final match. As much as I enjoyed Tama's matches, I find Tanga's work to be mediocre and unengaging still. Also, I may have given O-Khan a bit too much credit, as I thought the Takagi match was clearly overlong and got redundant at the end. The reliance on gimmicky spots and especially the fucking claw (maybe the worst pro-wrestling spot this side of the heart-punch) still makes him someone I *don't* want to watch often in big singles matches. That one was one too many, despite Takagi's greatness. The next two days look rough as hell, tomorrow is the most mild B-Block day imaginable (and Cobb facing EVIL is gonna be frustrating), and last day of A-Block is a one match show, that is if KENTA shows up (and he should, against Ibushi), and only the final result really interests me. Yeah, I do feel burned out as the lack of depths as finally caught up in the last few days (best combination of matches have pretty much all been done now). Quick, get to the Budokan already !

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Brutal. Never forget. That being said, the one positive thing about this segment is that it did not lead to a match. Because no one deserved to watch a Rick Steiner single match in 1998. That was the true horror.

Fair enough, from that point of view I can totally see it, yes. If you haven't seen the Dustin vs QT Marshall match from a few weeks ago on Dark, I really recommend it. Basically both trainers showing their students how it's done, very enjoyable match with some cool little twists.

And here's a guy that should get more and more talk as the years go by. If he keeps on going strong like he did this year and gets for instance some shit to do in Japan, he probably gonna get a good shot at the final list. Also, time to rename this thread into Miro.

Oh yes, not the greatest worker in the ring, but I was impressed with how she carried herself as a star during this show. And those promos ? Although I've been enjoying her & Kiera Hogan I had not seen this coming. Seems like she really found herself. Cool for Slamovich, looking forward to see more of her.

Dustin actually did not look that great in the match. He looked good for sure, but everything was not exactly on point either, as it's been talked about in the weekly thread. Like I said, I love Dustin, but to me the idea that he's one of the best guy in AEW is just reaching because he's an old-school favorite. He's still *very good* and there's nothing wrong about that and it's totally a credit to him. But let's not get carried away either. I love having Dustin show on on my TV and kicking ass in 2021 still. Is he a *great* worker in 2021 ? Nope, I would not say that. Is his AEW stint adding to his resume in a very positive fashion ? Yep, for sure.

Agreed. They do this big comeback show after like 3 months of non-programming and they spend an entire segment doing... a news show ??? Taking about AEW and WWE ??? WTF Court Bauer ? I'm not as high as many on Fatu (then again MLW has been consistently the worst place to look great for some reasons), but he did impress me there, and Hammerstone is much more than his look indicates too (and he can cut promos). MLW still running the stupid Contra angle and they have this awful Kane-like guy now that I guess they are gonna push. They brought back Dario Cueto but honestly it's such a waste as there's nothing even comparable to LU on the show (and I heard they brought back Catrina too, which is cool and all). IMPACT is the promotion where they could have used him SO WELL in term of working his character into the show (if they can have the Undead Realm, they can have some LU offshoot). The fact Will Ospreay is working their next tapings is cool for them, but MLW has been a sinkhole in term of producing really good stuff, Bauer's ideas are usualy just *bad* and the show is very poorly produced and paced, so yeah, that's a disappointment when he could have showed up in AEW, IMPACT or, hell, GCW ! @Jimmy Redman thanks !

His TNA stint was awful. Worst time of his career. Worst character, worst shape, totally out of it. Don't watch it, people, it's bad for you. I dunno about Japan, but I remember that dog of a match against DBS that is mentionned in @KinchStalker's awesome biography thread. The Tokyo Dome match teaming with his father vs Kim Duk & Masa Saito is not exactly setting the world on fire either, but can't blame Dustin there. Since I've been watching some 90's NJPW lately (well not since the G1 has begun), I have been thinking about an analogy that may come off super odd to many, but actually makes sense to me. Keiji Mutoh. Ok, now I love Dustin, and I have for a long, long time. And I also love Keiji Mutoh, including as the Great Muta, which I always find to be a compelling, quite fascinating character (yeah, the snail pace, the blood, the mist, the explosive Mutoh spots in between, not to mention the cool looks). Both had periods where they are just awesome workers. In the early 90's, Mutoh is just wonderful to watch (when he's on) and clearly the second best worker behind Hase (you thought I was gonna say Hashimoto ? Well think again, he really did not hit his stride before a few years later). Then he has his period where he just doesn't seem to give a fuck (period or matches actually). Well, Dustin was the same, he was awesome (but on a much steadier way) for most of the first half of the 90's, then by the time he got into Goldust mode he wasn't so awesome (although, much like with Muta, the presentation is one of my all-time favorite) and then in late WCW and TNA he wasn't good at all. Like Mutoh would just overshot his moonsault, Dustin would hit his running bulldog and yeah, cool, whatever makes contact with the mat Dust, really ! BTW I do think people cut some slack to Dustin because he's so beloved in term of some of his stuff not looking *that* great. The delayed punch where he drops on his knees is a cool looking but completely idiotic spot (yes, really) in that in 90% of the case, it looks just too damn delayed for the other guy not to see it coming. But then again, it's a cool looking spot that still gets a pop, like Mutoh's infamous elbow. And then Mutoh reinvents himself in the early 00's and all of a sudden he's the coolest wrestler in the world *again* (he was, everybody was doing Shining Wizard) and he's twisting up his style a bit and having a new bunch of big matches. And then also sometime in the early 00's, Dustin gets back in shape and reinvents himself as a part of the high end working crew of WWE, working with a younger generation and fitting just right in. After much ups and downs, Dustin at 50 has one of the best match of his career. Mutoh remains a frustrating and puzzling worker at times, yet managed to have a pretty cool main event stint in NOAH at *58* years old. I love both overall and their peaks are awesome, and their lows are abyss-deep. And they have created two of the most unique characters in pro-wrestling. I have no idea where they would fit in my list (Dustin is probably overall better, Mutoh being the biggest star had more opportunity to deliver in big, important settings and he's also super important in term of style in the grand scheme of things, Tanahashi, Naito & SANADA are pretty much direct offsprings) So there, that was a complete disorganized rant...

The one thing I was wondering about during the entirety of Mox vs Gage was if Renee was tweeting during this ? It's pretty unthinkable that having a big money contract from a mainstream promotion, the guy would actually want to do this kind of stuff. Which is what makes Mox so unique. Having Foley announce was the perfect fit ("Fuck Matt Cardona" was classic Foley), as in another time, he actually worked FMW shows, including doing a brutal deathmatch against Kanemura, while under contract with WWF. Something that is unimaginable today. So, ok, I do get the cult of Gage, I get the whole "Dusty Rhodes of light bulbs" persona and indeed he's from the direct line of the Sandman's and the New Jacks, but still, his stuff looks rotten more often than not whenever he has to do something physical that isn't just cutting someone. I guess him taking the most horrific bumps is part of the "charm". But I wonder what Minoru Suzuki will be able to do with him though... Speaking of which, Suzuki vs Janela was yet another proof of how much Suzuki gets pro-wrestling as a whole (meaning, he knew exactly how to play to this particular crowd at points when they just don't react like your typical NJPW audience). That "one slap too many" spot was awesome. Also "I don't speak English, sorry. FUCK YOU YOUNG BOY !" to Chris Dickinson was funny AF.