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The big difference is that Cornette would never say 1/10 of what he says to the people in person. .......... wait....

Also, I would always rather watch something that isn't successful but that I enjoy (ie IMPACT/Lucha Underground) than something that is successful but that I don't enjoy (WWE). Of course something that isn't successful has more chance to end (LU), but everything has to end eventually. And if something gets successful but I don't like it anymore (WWF in 99), then I don't watch it anymore so it ends anyway.

Oh, I don't mean there's a correlation. Also I could not care less about the WWE HoF in term of what it represents. But the fact they always want to induct women (for obvious reasons) and yet Sable has not been inducted yet struck me as kinda odd. I wonder if there's anything there (I know she sued them, but then worked for them again, so it can't be this).

Best reason ever. Don't need more. Also, to the "I want them to succeed" crowd, newsflash : that's what they do. Maybe not the way you'd want them to, but they are already succeeding. They won the war with NXT, they have a great TV deal, they just made the biggest non WWE PPV in 22 years, workers want to sign with them. Things are going quite ok, really. There's no impending gloom & doom because of some booking issues (which are greatly overstated, really, as I have mostly loved their TV shows lately apart from the terrible build for the Shaq match and some minor stuff) and two big mistakes on a PPV, one of which being an accident (the other one could have been prevented, BTW Christian meant nothing in term of ratings on Dynamite, so there goes the narrative of "huge huge star" and whatnot). At some point, how many goalpost can one move before accepting that they are actually doing quite well, especially considering the context ? They are not doing Attitude Era numbers ? Good. I don't want another Attitude Era. I don't care if they go mainstream or not. I want a healthy pro-wrestling promotion presenting a product that I enjoy. This is the case *now*.

Aaron Stevens was probably the worst part of the NWA reboot, he's a guy who clearly belongs in WWE (that's where he shined the most by far and has been brutally annoying to me in NWA). That he of all (but who's left ?) people would get an NWA title really makes the entire thing like a complete joke. This needs a mercy killing, really. Last thing for Aldis to do is grab that big match with Kenny Omega and pass him the title so Omega can add it to the upcoming TNA/IMPACT/AAA/AEW collection and do the old Ultimo Dragon gimmick.

FTR, I loved fire spitting Steamboat. Beats a guy who shows up with a baby. Do people ever remember that Steamboat was in the WWF for a cup of coffee in 91 ? It's actually the very first time I saw Steamboat.

Honestly Sable was getting white hot before WWF really exploded. By early 98 she was already receiving ridiculous pops from the crowd. I haven't watched Mania XIV in eons, but I would not be surprised if she got the second of third biggest pop of the night. I mean, honestly Goldust & Marlena were a much bigger act than Molly ever was so you can argue Terri Runnels was a much bigger star too. I doubt Dustin is getting anytime soon though... But it's nothing against Molly, really, I was always a fan, it's just that, as always, it comes off really random, especially as a first inductee of the year. Reeks of "Hey look, we announce a female first !". Maybe they can induct Lesnar & Sable the same year. Marc Mero could do the induction speach.

This thread is endlessly fascinating and the best thread on PWO. Looking forward to the follow-ups whenever you do them.

Super classy. And what if she had more dicks in her than a urinal at MSG ? None of anyone's fucking business and that would not make her or anyone male or female any less of a dignified human being. Yeah, slut-shaming alert. As far as not seeing her on a pro-wrestling show, yeah, she's only improved by leaps and bounds over the last year and a half and I really wish she would get more focus on her as a performer than being a valet for Marc Me Kip Sabian.

Yes, the fact Cornette has so many braindead followers turns his shit into online bullying, pretty much, so it's hard to "just ignore it" when a bunch of low-lives are calling your friend a slut because an old fossil is boo-boo because he doesn't like Kenny Omega and has to lash out, preferably using misogynic/homophobic and sometime even racist terms.

For the people who want AEW to be successful, well, rejoice because they already are. There's no doom & gloom in AEW's future. Imagine social media during the Monday Night Wars. It would have been brutal. The echo-chamber effect of social media is making everything worse, but you gotta admit the negativity about AEW comes from a crowd of haters who either just won't admit than anything current or forward looking can be good or successful ever (the Cornette crowd) and people who consider that anything un-WWE is worthless. The über-tribalism really is more into the negative aspect of things. To sometime ridiculous degree that has absolutely no connection whatsoever with reality, as showed by the way NWA Powerr & Dark shared a large part of their audience (so the comments about everything modern sucking and thank god NWA was back to do real wrestling in the Youtube comments weren't meaning anything since a lot of people would watch both NWA & AEW on Youtube that day). Everything is polarized, but when you see AEW, IMPACT, NWA, NJPW and whatever joshi promotion Itoh and Ryo come from working cross promotion stuff and people getting excited about it (I know I am), it also means there's this thirst for someone bigger than just supporting one promotion but rather having fun with the entire pro-wrestling landscape, because it opens so much more. And you can only get that outside of WWE.

Not really. I quote, I erase the part of the quote that I don't reply to. Then I quote again and do the same thing. Super easy. Please don't. Yes ? Who ? What ? WHAT ? quote Ok Do what ? To whom ? Suspense is riveting... Ok let's go !

I don't have a Twitter account.

Molly was a good worker at a time there was barely any in the women's division. And that's it. She was an undercard act. One of her most infamous angle was being made fun of because she was "fat". Anyway, it's not like the WWE HOF means anything. Still, I truly wonder why Sable isn't in it yet. She really was the top 2 star of the Attitude Era, all joking aside, for a moment. It's funny, her case is something I have reconsidered in the lights of Conrad's podcasts and prism of everyday misogyny. We're absolutely dealing with a case of slut-shaming I beliebe with her (as was the case with Chyna), because all she did was basically show her body (although she did work a few matches here and there despite never been trained). The super negative perception she has had for years kinda changes a bit when you realize she was not a performer at all, was thrown under the lights and in a matter of a few months became a legit draw in the pro-wrestling industry, no matter the reason. Add to the fact she apparently was the shy, loner kind (you don't marry Brock Lesnar if you're a socialite, I don't think), like guys like Luger were, and that's a recipe for disaster in term of working in such a toxic masculine environment. We hear all the time about "what gets over gets over, what draws draws", well, she got over and she drew people. Because she showed skin ? Sure. Was she a good performer otherwise ? Not really, although she did look really good at Mania XIV while never have worked one match in her life, so maybe in another context she could have become a decent worker, who knows ? She wasn't a good promo either. In other words, Karen Jarrett she was not. The fact remains she's probably the only real star of the Attitude Era who has not been inducted yet.

Well, me too obviously ! Well, Blanchard was a really good promo. The other two, nope, indeed. There's probably something to the fact great workers did not need to be great promos if you had a guy on the other side who could carry the load. Plus the manager culture was much more prevalent for the heels (although that doesn't mean the babyfaces were always good promos anyway, I mean, the fucking Von Erichs...) Even General Takada in Hustle ? Damn. We aren't gonna argue again about Takada for the GWE 2026, are we ? I mean, I'll probably not re-watch Takada matches at this point anyway, his case (and greatness) is pretty much an established thing as far as I'm concerned.

BTW, since Molly Holly in the WWE HOF is basically a joke (really now, Molly Holly ? She sure wasn't a top 5 star during the Attitude Era like You Know Who) but they need to induct women because Stephy invented feminism, why hasn't Sable been inducted yet ? Because she certainly was a Top 2 star during the Attitude Era for a while. And that's legit, no one moved numbers and merchandise like her, she was only second to Austin.

I was always a heel fan, so when the babyface is uncool, it's just a death spot for me to be in. Of course he was, in the ring working.

Well, Meltz mentioned that Vince basically saw nothing in Andrade, so maybe there's something to this. Fuck, now I want La Sombra & Thea Trinidad to show up in AEW.

Honestly, the balance of "awesome" and "problematic" weighs so much toward the former to me that I can totally bear with the later. No pro-wrestling promotion is gonna be perfect. I loved Lucha Underground, but I still thought some of it sucked. Ditto ECW. Ditto current IMPACT (to a lesser extent, apart from the AEW deal, they are clearly not as fun as they were in 2019/early 00)

Awww, come on, like it's anything new. I was never impressed that much during Roman's many pushes of terror when it happened. Not that I thought he was bad, but certainly nothing special to me. Too "WWE main event style" patterned. The Superman Punch spamming annoyed me to no end. He seems to have hit his stride lately as a heel, good for him. That does not kept me from putting him over in that Taker match though.

That for instance is something I did not get. I'm all for non-commentary cinematic matches like AJ vs Taker. I'm all for commentary on stuff like the Stadium Stampede. But the commentary + music on the street fight felt like a miscalculation. Considering how it was shot and produced, this pretty much asked for non-commentary. But if you are doing commentary (which still strikes me as a bit odd considering how cinematic it was), the music just doesn't belong then.

I dunno about the public perception, but as you know I'm not a Roman fan and as I was watching this match live, I knew Roman was the one saving it from disaster. Why am I not surprised you replied to that one first bubba ?

Jumbo / Hansen. Two of the best ever. In the same context. Never clicked.

Pretty much makes a great guideline. N°6 is give or take, but I would not be pissed off at all by that result either.

Wouldn't it be fair to say it was actually Micheals ? That would make a fun game.