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It can be new to someone who ignored it, but it can't be news. Right. 2020 : Nobuhiko Takada revival.
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Yeah, fun little angle, and once again, it actually makes sense. You don't let a totally corrup commissionner do whatever he wants for too long. This match was a travesty, Cornette gets impeached. Dutch trying to salvage his job during the rest of the show was pretty funny.
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Fun interactions between Tammy, DWB and Ron Wright. The Sherri promo was better this time around.
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DWB has a good little match with Gibson. The finish is a good way to build some heat for Rock'n Roll vs Armstrongs, although they just have to watch the tape back to see what happened.
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Bad booking for Cornette after weeks of promising a "secret weapon". This was lame.
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[1993-09-18-SMW-TV] Interview: Jim Cornette / Terry Funk vs Bob Armstrong
El-P replied to Loss's topic in September 1993
Funk is so great here yet again. Bob Armstrong was a great promo, but he couldn't do much in the ring.- 7 replies
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Glad to see Sherri make an appearance in SMW. I enjoy her as a heel much more though.
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The Del Rey vs Morton match was good, this one was nothing. Big difference between Morton and Gibson in singles.
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[1993-09-11-SMW-TV] Interview: Jim Cornette / Interview: Terry Funk
El-P replied to Loss's topic in September 1993
Awesome segments. The Observer line was hilarious, indeed, I really didn't expect it. And the Funk promo is insane. What does Foley say about it ?- 7 replies
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[1993-09-11-SMW-TV] Rock & Roll Express vs Bruise Brothers
El-P replied to Loss's topic in September 1993
The Harris boys can't look good facing Morton and Gibson. That's how inept they are. Shit, Stevie Ray looked better on WCW tv.- 7 replies
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Let me see. I remember ordering my first puro tapes in late 1998. I'd say October/November 1998. Maybe the argument was taking shape at the same time I was getting into puro, so as a newbie, to me it was gonna be new anyway and I wouldn't see the difference between a consensus opinion that had 10 years of history and the brand new consensus opinion that had two months of history and getting stronger by the months. I remember Jumbo vs Funk and Jumbo vs Mil, I'd say it was in 2000 or so. I think so because I used to print those damn DVDVR to read them on the train to Paris back then. I can picture myself reading about Jumbo vs Mil in the TGV for some reasons.
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RIP to a damn fine hand. Oh fuck, this is terrible news !
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I had very few responsibilities back then The same. (man, I gave so much money to Lorefice and Lynch between 1998 and 2003. If only I had known about the FUCKING INTERNET 2.0 COMING SOON back then, I would have waited a few years)
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One thing : who the fuck are "we" ? I warmed up to Choshu and Fujinami ten years ago when I began to watch shitloads of NJ TV. I guess my tastes are dated as far as Takada goes but are pretty well advanced as far as Fuji and Choshu go then. I know people love to feel like they belong together in some sort of "rightful group of thoughts", but in the end this just doesn't concern me. The appearance and disapearance of new consensus is interesting only in term of the historiography of the GOAT discussions. Maybe my 98 memory alludes to The Other Arena (I don't think I stumble onto it that early though, as I was aware of DVDVR before tOA), but what the heck, if just a few people made good arguments for Jumbo back in the days, that was enough for me to say he was considered as a GOAT. Was it a consensus ? Maybe not, but the idea was already there.
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Didn't he show up on WCW TV B-shows later in the decade ?
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I have no idea. Way too long ago. I just remember that I was a total newbie on japanese wrestling and that one of the name that jumped to my eyes as being talked as a GOAT worker was Jumbo, along with Liger, Misawa & Kawada. I knew Liger from NJ on Eurosport, the three others I had no idea who they were. Agreed. The PWFG shows especially would be put on tapes along other japanese indy stuff and it would be very scattered. I don't remember either. Plenty of Tiger Mask and Sabu comp around at that time. Yes. In a way I don't enjoy being a wrestling fan today because none of the current wrestling interests me, but in another way it's terrific to be a wrestling fan today thanks to the availability and ways to pass the footage around.
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[1993-10-24-WCW-Halloween Havoc] Vader vs Cactus Jack (Texas Death)
El-P replied to Loss's topic in October 1993
Understood. I checked out Da Meltz ratings for the show, and it's all over the place. Vader vs Cactus gets ****3/4 (ridiculous), Flair vs Rude gets ***1/4 (not even a good match) and Nasties vs Scorp/Bagwell gets ***1/2 (*good* match but I would go no further). Meanwhile, Regal vs Bulldog gets **3/4. Hum, what ?- 15 replies
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The Summer of 1993 solidifies SMW as probably the best TV product of the year in the US, despite (or thanks to ?) the old-school format. The big summer show was the best major card of the year, with an excellent Wargames like cage match and the awesome Cornette vs Armstrong showdown. Brian Lee turned from boring and dull babyface to cool heel with Tammy Fytch at his side, and you can see her get really good really fast. His work still isn't exactly stellar, but his bumping big man style heel suits him much better. DWB not collecting the bounty on Tracy Smother moves thing organically toward the babyface turn. I'm loving every minute of Candido vs Tim Horner (I'm a sucker for redneck butterface Horner and his bad promos, he's campy but he's genuine, and he's such a crisp worker), including Dennis Corraluzo making a cameo as the WWA president. Cornette's post injury promos are priceless, and the Heavenly Bodies with Del Ray are more fun in the ring than with Lane. The only thing I don't like about the product at that time are the Bruise Brothers, even the Rock'n Roll can't make them watchable. Bobby Blaze is a nice little worker in the babyface Barry Horowitz role too.
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When I came to the scene in early 1998, Jumbo was already talked about as a GOAT I remember. On Lawler, yeah most probably, but tons of Fujiwara footage has been available for ages. Again, the UWF (1 & 2), PFWG and 80's NJ tapes from the big UWF vs NJ matches were already around 14 years ago, I remember seeing Fuji's name all over Mike Lorefice's tape list back then.
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[1993-10-24-WCW-Halloween Havoc] Nasty Boys vs Marcus Bagwell & 2 Cold Scorpio
El-P replied to Loss's topic in October 1993
The best match between those two teams, and probably the best match of the Nasties since they came back to WCW. Missy is really trashy looking, and fit right there with the Nasties. Really good work from Bagwell and Scorp to carry the two big loads.- 8 replies
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[1993-10-24-WCW-Halloween Havoc] Ric Flair vs Rick Rude
El-P replied to Loss's topic in October 1993
This is worst than their previous one. Rude is totally going on smokes and mirrors at this point, in his case he's overselling in the long run (selling a leg like nobody's business well too long after anyone would after a simple figure-4 spot), repeating pin attempts when there is no point really, and using basic moves only. And he barely bumps anymore. Kinda sad to watch. His tights are the best part of the match, just classic Rude. Fifi is looking great, but she oughta be the most useless valet ever as she doesn't get anything to do or say, ever. Flair works an autopilot here while he worked super hard the other time around, and the finish is bad. Yeah, Terry Taylor was wasted, I don't get the point at all. Not a good match, bad ending.- 7 replies
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[1993-10-24-WCW-Halloween Havoc] Vader vs Cactus Jack (Texas Death)
El-P replied to Loss's topic in October 1993
I don't like the Texas Death Match gimmick at all anyway, it always kills the flow of a match and unless you are a godlike babyface like Onita who can play Rocky to perfection, it never works. Plus here they really don't use the gimmick well at all, not doing any dramatic 10 counts. The work is fine and brutal, but they had much better matches on Saturday Nights. The ending is brutal and stupid. The booking of the three big singles matches on this show was pretty bad. (On a side note, I don't get why this made the set when the excellent Orndorff vs Steamboat, which was the best match on the card and nearly a WCW MOTYC didn't.)- 15 replies
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I thought Schiavone was actually really good in this. Much better than anyone in the previous videos. He's the one who should have get Cheatum's part. Here he's downright pedobear approved.
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[1993-10-24-WCW-Halloween Havoc] Steven Regal vs Davey Boy Smith
El-P replied to Loss's topic in October 1993
The opening sequences are very cool, as Davey Boy shows he still knows how to work european-like, and he's very smooth doing it. Regal is indeed hilarious reacting to Davey Boy, and finally rough it up. Great timing from everybody at the end too. Very good match.- 12 replies
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I dind't mind the spin the wheel in slow motion. One of the best Cactus promos of the year.
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