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  1. El-P
    Is it me or the production values are better on this one ? Better shot, with good close-ups of Rude and Fifi. I actually enjoyed it more than any Flair for the Gold segment, at least something happened that lead to a program. Rude was pretty cool in a sexual predator way, and Flair played the laid-back nature boy role well, not getting into Rude's face agressively just yet.
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    Holly shit, I forgot about that video. Tremendous. (shit, now you gave me the urge to revisit WWF TV in 96/97, which is something I never did since I saw it happen. Can't believe it's 16 years old.)
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    That could've been amazing. Have them act like your douche-y uncle with a pony tail and a gold chain who still thinks he's "got it". Fuck yes. And a white trash middle aged girlfriend. Well, he did get new, more flashing gears. But the York Foundation, as much as I loved them, had major fashion issues.
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    Current WWE

    El-P replied to Smack2k's topic in WWE

    Good computer games have way more life and organic feel than current WWE. I'll probably get interested in the build-up to Mania with Rocky coming back, and hopefully Brock in a good match (please, no HHH), but the excitement from post-Mania last year didn't sustained more than a few weeks, and I was ff most of RAW anyway, going into segments I was interested in. Sad because I feel in another environment (and no, I'm not speaking about Roh or TNA, more like old-school ECW or WCW/WWF late 90's) I would love current incarnations of CM Punk and Daniel Bryan.
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    Yeah, total memphis goofyness. Armstrong's piledrivers looked brutal, in a good way. BTW, the actual date is 08/20.
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    I'm usually not a fan of the handcuff gimmick, but here it worked pretty well. Morton bleeds a gusher, him and Pritchard are the standouts, but everyone plays his role well, including the Bruise Brothers who are not too much exposed in this kind of match. The Cornette beatdown by Bob Armstrong is the most satisfying moment in SMW history thus far. Great stuff, and better than most Wargames post 92. Fire on the Mountain was easily the best major show of 1993 at this point, blew away anything by WCW or WWF.
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    Brian Lee's offense is not always the best, and there is a little bit of downtime in the middle of tha match, but once it picked up it because excellent. Brian Lee's best stuff is actually being a Terry Gordy like bumping heel, he takes some awesome looking bump in this one. Excellent drama at the strecht to the finish, and excellent post-match beatdown too. The postmatch interview sows the seed for a future Brian Lee vs DWB feud. Tammy already shows great presence and character by this point. I could do without Tracey calling Lee a faggot in mid-match (and getting tons of cheers for it), and violence against women is always kinda awkward coming from a babyface, but outside of that, it's excellent.
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    Well, maybe he was, but plenty of rabid assholes kept their jobs in both WCW and WWF at the same time. But yeah, probably didn't help him because he was not a political asshole, which you needed to be then. I totally can understand the bitterness toward a guy like Nash too, although not saving money was stupid.
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    The nineties. Not because that's the decade I've been raised with, I don't care much about rewatching any WWF from that era, but I love the japanese wrestling from that decade, and I've not seen half of what I want from AJ, NJ, Zenjo, JWP, Mpro from that era. Love the old-school garbage leagues, especially FMW. Love the first two years of ARSION. Would like to watch more of Jd' and early GAEA. I love shootstyle which peaked in this decade with UWF-I, RINGS and the minor leagues of Fujiwara, Pancrase, and hell, add early PRIDE to it. I enjoy ECW a lot, and I'm going through SMW which is really fun too. I guess there's a shitload of great lucha during this decade, with the early years of Rey and co. I'm a children of the 90's in many more ways than just becoming a wrestling fan with WWF in 1990, and although I really enjoy to watch 80's wrestling (and don't care much about whatever happened after 2001), it's an easy decision to make. I guess what I would miss the most is all the puro from the 80's I haven't seen.
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    Old company stooge vs Old NWA worker. He wouldn't have worked well in the cruiserweight division in 1997, as his style really wasn't adapted to the lucha/japanese infused wrestling these guys practiced. Hell, his only really disapointing time in WCW came when he worked the lame "lightheavyweight" division in 1992. But I can totally see him work effective as a grumpy heel for instance, at least on SN and later Thunder, working with younger guys to teach them the ropes. Bobby Eaton was basically a TV jobber in 1996, which was sad since he was still very good, but at least he had a job.
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    Funny, I have the exact opposite feeling. I enjoyed the first 20 minutes more, as they both worked face and yet still kept their character alive : Flair didn't beg as much but was still dirty at times, Sting didn't go full blast at Flair yet still showed intensity. It made for a few little floating moments, because they aren't used to work that way, but it made the match really interesting to me. Then when Sting reverted to no-selling babyface comeback, it kinda fella part into mediocre Flair/Sting circa 1990 stuff, especially since Sting totally brushed-off a long figure four spot, and did the chop no-sell not once, not twice, but like 3 or 4 times, which totally got le out of the match. The finish is horrendous too, as there's no way the referee can't see what's happening, they really didn't do a good job at all with it (not to mention it was really cheap to begin with). So, for the first 20 minutes I thought this was gonna be a MOTYC, then regressed into "good TV match" territory. That being said, it's the first time Flair looked like the Flair of old (well, at least like the Flair of early 90's), and he showed he could still go. I blame Sting more than Flair for the match going downward, although it's obvious working with Flair kinda makes Sting automatically go back into bad stuff he wouldn't do against Vader, in a way Flair demands formula, consciously or not. Still very cool overall.
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    Oh man, watching SMW totally opened my eyes to Tony Anthony. That a man that good of a worker and promo was used the way he was in WWF (a dirty plumber and Uncle Cletus) was a complete disgrace. Add Dutch Mantell too, which was a great color man and promo (and was quite the worker too). Smothers had a nice little run in ECW too, and although I wasn't always a fan of his work there (way too much stalling at times), it's too bad he left and kinda vanished. As late as 2000, Smothers got one hell of a match out of RVD, which is a guy I couldn't bare to watch by that point. I wish Smothers had remained in ECW for the entire run of the promotion.
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    Charlie Norris : no charisma, no body, no work ability Ice Train : jacked up goof shouting "tchoo tchoo" every two seconds When does this end ?
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    They were 30 year old guys who looked like they were in their late 50s. The Rock N' Roll gimmick had passed them by, and their attempts to change, like the "Richard Morton" gimmick, were failures. Not exactly. Morton was 40 in 1996, and still a very good worker, as showed by the Nitro match he and Robert had as JTTS. Yeah, their gimmick was dated for a national promotion, but what do we had at the same time in WWF ? The fucking Godwinns, the Smoking Gunns and the Body Donnas. Yeah, great relevant gimmicks that aren't cheesy as hell by the standart of the time. WCW had the Steiners, whose peak happened in the early 90's, the Road Warriors, whose peak happened in the mid-80's (contemporary to the R'nR), the Nastys Boys who really look like late 80's Ninja Turtle like cartoon punks, Meng & Barbarian who were the same age as Morton more or less... Really, the Rock'n Roll, as "dated" as they were by that point, could have fit in any of the two, and probably work circles around most of their teams too. As late as 1990, the Rock'n Roll were super over in WCW, and had excellent to great matches. Their stint in SMW (at least up to 1993, but I have no doubt it won't evolve much in the bad way as I watch the rest) showed that they were still a really good team, mostly thanks to Morton of course, able to get over big time in the South. They could have been given a role as a veteran team role stint, especially in WCW, and it would have certainly produced some good stuff. If they had been seriously pushed in WWF in 1998 along Cornette, Jarrett and Windham, they could have delivered too, but that wasn't gonna happen under Russo who was just goofing at the old NWA. As far as Richard Morton, it wasn't a failure. Morton was excellent as a heel, had tons of good TV match in this role teaming with Tommy Rich, and got heat. But the York Foundation was never pushed higher than low-undercard, it wasn't supposed to accomplish much to begin with. Not to mention that Ricky Morton was also an excellent promo. Both office had preconcieved notion, Vince because Rock'n Roll was an old NWA team, and Bischoff, well, for the same reason, plus he hated tag teams anyway. I wish Morton had a stint in ECW, it would have been pretty fun. He left after one TV taping or so.
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    Agreed, better than Slamboree. Davey Boy was clicking with Vader pretty good, was a trooper in term of taking Vader's offense (yeah, I'm looking at you Shawn), did some great legit feature of strenght (which I love and doesn't happen that much), showed good timing and execution. Some of his best work ever. And I loved his look back then with the dreadlocks and tassles, he was pretty funky.
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    Orndorff looks like he has slown down a bit compared to his first few months in WCW, either that or he was keeping some under his belt, but it's a good match with a hot finishing stretch. These guys were 41 and 44 respectively, and showed those young punks how to work a good, solid, safe and heated match. Good post-match beating by Orndorff, whose stock has seriously gone way up with me after watching his SMW and WCW work (including his short 1990 sting). Gotta love Ventura still cracking up at the Shockmaster early during Steamboat's introduction. God knows what he was saying to Tony when that happened, must have been hilarious to hear them.
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    Pillman on crutches, what a familiar picture. The match is a short sprint, and it's better than the Horsemen vs Blondes match from the previous PPV because it's better paced. What a sad way to go for the Blondes. Regal is already a top 5 wrestler in the company a few weeks after debuting the Lord Steven gimmick.
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    This segment is famous for all the wrong reasons, but what I think we overlook is how bad this entire thing would have been anyway. I mean, you've got the Bulldog cutting one of his typical stupid promos (up there with the "I'm bizarre" line at the Royal Rumble), you have Harlem Heat showing up behind Sid without ever being introduced on TV before, and not being introduced on the segment either, and you are supposed to be excited about a fat guy with a glittery stormtrooper hat talking like the Black Scorpion being Sting and the Bulldog's partner at the up coming War Games match, which nobody even talked about before. WTF ? It was terrible anyway, easily one of the worst Flair for the Gold segment, and it says a lot. The fact the Shockmaster fucked up badly kinda make it better actually, and it saved WCW from having fucking Typhoon pushed to the main event scene by his brother in law. What were Ole and Dusty smoking ? And yeah, bless Sid for doing his best to cover up.
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    Excellent match, now we get serious. As far as the no DQ stipulation, it's odd because the ring announcer didn't say a word about it, so I'm not sure it was not some bogus stip added during the post-prod announcing, which would explain the actual finish of a match. It is stupid anyway. (we needed Ventura to blast the referee like he did on a previous show as Nick Patrick was counting to break holds everytime in another no-DQ match; Ventura totally buried him, calling him an idiot every two minutes)
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    I thought it was perfectly fine for a first encounter. Light hearted at first with Steamboat making fun of Regal's maneurism, good technical wrestling with a bit of heat. Just a way to set up a rivalry nicely without burning all the ammunitions.
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    It was basically what Matt said, the most heatless cage match ever. Remember too that Windham was a heel feuding with Brian Pillman at the time, and in the cage match he's all of a sudden working like a dull babyface, as is Luger. So it was a failed double-turn. Luger does get some heat eventually, but it really hurt him and his first reign. luger was crazy over with WCW crowds up to that point, especially in 89 and 90, either as a heel or a face. He was the only one that did really good business with Flair on top during that period. And he was also quite the trooper and hard worker until I'd say the early 91, and much better than Sting up to that point. The way he had to turn again to get that belt in a heatless match against a heel turning face for no reason and without anything to it really undermined Luger, and it showed in the last months of his WCW stint. He's not as over as he was, and doesn't work as hard as he used too. Doesn't help that his first big program was against Simmons, who was not ready (well, he never was) to work on a main event level, although their match at Halloween Havoc is better than it looks on paper. Luger would leave just a few months after (by early 92 he was WWF, through WBF, bound and would jack himself up to ridiculous degrees and not appear on TV at all before dropping the belt to Sting). To me it really killed Luger's motivation and a part of his aura. He would regain it when he would come back fresh on the first Nitro, as WCW crowds did love Luger. No, it was a total clusterfuck, and the TV following it was pretty dreadfull. Only the low undercard with Austin/Dustin and the York Foundation was fun. The Simmons/Luger program wasn't good (usual race card shit) and took forever. WCW began to be interesting again and get a sense of direction back only with Halloween Havoc and the arrival of Rick Rude, which would set Sting on fire, and the whole Danregous Alliance angle.
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    Yep. The booking as a whole and the main event scene was totally fucked up, but the lower undercard with Austin/Dustin and the York Foundation stuff mainly was the saving grace. You don't get that in 1993.
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    Rick Rude teaming with The Equalizer. Ice Train having his last match on an indy show before coming to WCW. With Thunderbolt Patterson. Yoshi Kwan has got Cactus Jack's magic bag. Johnny B. Badd vs Maxx Payne. The debut of the Disney tapings. The Colossal Kongs and the Shockmaster being the new faces of the roster. Ric Flair, boring babyface & Paul Roma, horseman. Vader teaming with Sid, which brings down Vader's matches quite a few notches. Welcome to WCW in the summer of 1993. (a few bright spots : Regal vs Steamboat on TV, Bobby Eaton & Chris Benoit, whenever 2 Cold Scorpio shows up in a competitive single or tag match)
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    I agree the months after Flair left were pretty dreadfull, but I find the summer of 1993 much worse. God, the Colossal Kongs, Ice Train and the Equalizer are showing up. Soon the Shockmaster will debut. Roma is a Horseman and Flair is boring. The TV sucks, the angles suck (Johnny B. Badd vs Max Paynne, Yoshi Kwan getting Cactus' magic bag, Rick Rude teaming up with the freaking Equalizer !), thankfully you got a fun match here and there, but nothing, not even the Summer of 1990 (which was also terrible) has been such a drag to go through until that point.
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