Johnny Sorrow Posted July 29, 2011 Report Share Posted July 29, 2011 I'm not a "HHH Defender", but holy cow. The "HE'S EVIL AND DID THIS, and I'm sure he did THIS, and he's the evilest man to ever evil" stuff lately has been pretty over the top at times. Come on, do you REALLY think HHH gives a shit NOW about Bret not wanting to job to him that one time? I mean, really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boondocks Kernoodle Posted July 29, 2011 Report Share Posted July 29, 2011 I think that left him with a negative opinion of Bret that hasn't subsided over time. HHH was very strongly against Bret coming back for Mania 22, when Vince thought he could get Bret to do a match with him, and he was against his return in 2010. He must have reasons for not liking him, and I think it's most likely that they are the same reasons why he didn't like him back then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Sorrow Posted July 29, 2011 Report Share Posted July 29, 2011 Ok, I'm not saying HHH likes Hart. And what you say here MAY be true, who knows? What I'm saying is, I seriously doubt HHH stews over his cheerios at the breakfast table with Steph and the kids saying, "That fucking Bret Hart...I'll never forgive him not doing the job for me 15 years ago." "Honey, eat your cereal." "NO! GOD DAMMIT! THAT ASSHOLE REFUSED TO LOSE TO ME ONCE!" See what I mean? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dooley Posted July 29, 2011 Report Share Posted July 29, 2011 Trips has never and does not like Hart, cheerios or no. This is not the situation to play the "people are being too mean to Trips" card. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boondocks Kernoodle Posted July 29, 2011 Report Share Posted July 29, 2011 Well I DID say HHH yells about Bret at the breakfast table, so we'll have to agree to disagree! I'm sure he doesn't carry the anger with him all the time, or even a lot of the time, but I'm sure his impression of Bret is as "one of the old assholes who didn't help me out when I was a young guy." JBL had a bad experience with Tully Blanchard at the beginning of his career and in 2006 he chewed Tully out backstage at a WWE event. Shawn yelled at Bill Watts in 1995 for fining him in '84. Warrior still hates Hogan for whatever reason (well, Warrior isn't any kind of example of normal behavior, but neither are most wrestlers). People in wrestling hold grudges for a long time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loss Posted July 29, 2011 Author Report Share Posted July 29, 2011 I also think HHH is exceptionally petty. Like, even by wrestling standards exceptionally petty. I get annoyed with all the HHHate myself, but is any of it untrue? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad Dog Posted July 29, 2011 Report Share Posted July 29, 2011 The fact that he had on-air character Eric Bischoff apologize for choosing Alex Wright over him 7-8 years before show how petty he is. Also, the fact that internally they see the Punk angle as a chance to get HHH over really shows me that my fears are correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kjh Posted July 29, 2011 Report Share Posted July 29, 2011 I thought the irony of that statement was backing Bret over Shawn doesn't seem like such a stupid move in hindsight given that: 1. Shawn was pretty beat up, his drug problems were getting out of control and he only lasted a couple more months before his back was thrashed. 2. Shawn caused more of a stink about dropping the belt than Bret did while having a career threatening back problem. 3. WCW was bound to implode and tossing Shawn into the mix was going to cause a lot more problems than Bret did for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smkelly Posted July 29, 2011 Report Share Posted July 29, 2011 The fact that he had on-air character Eric Bischoff apologize for choosing Alex Wright over him 7-8 years before show how petty he is. Also, the fact that internally they see the Punk angle as a chance to get HHH over really shows me that my fears are correct. Yeah, that was pretty bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artDDP Posted July 29, 2011 Report Share Posted July 29, 2011 I haven't followed much wrestling outside of this forum and occasional trips to the Observer and Torch sites so I'll ask... Did WWE really bring Bret back just for WrestleMania and then write him out of the show to get over the Nexus angle? Has he been back since? And, re HHHate: Immediately after Montreal I don't recall an interview I read where Hunter didn't bury Bret and say he was selfish and holding Owen back. He would say that Owen was the better worker, better talent, better character, less selfish, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad Dog Posted July 29, 2011 Report Share Posted July 29, 2011 Bret showed up at the end of the Cole angle and put him in the Sharpshooter. That was in May I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victator Posted July 29, 2011 Report Share Posted July 29, 2011 I think he meant him and Shawn were not stupid enough to be double crossed by Vince like Bret was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smkelly Posted July 29, 2011 Report Share Posted July 29, 2011 I think he meant him and Shawn were not stupid enough to be double crossed by Vince like Bret was.Agreed. Bret's autobiography, in his own words mind you, indicts Vince as a double-crossing, lying, manipulative, and impulsive asshole that he always found hard to trust. If anything, Bret has had a hard time learning from previous mistakes throughout his career. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dooley Posted July 29, 2011 Report Share Posted July 29, 2011 Trips has learned better than to trust his father in law. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strummer Posted July 29, 2011 Report Share Posted July 29, 2011 was there a reason ever given why the WWF edited out Undertaker tombstoning Rena Mero after a Superstars match with Marc in fall of 96? I've heard that it was debated internally whether to air it or not. Was it a PR type thing or "wouldn't fit the character" type thing? And why was it booked like that with all 3 being babyfaces at the time? (if I have my timeline right maybe Mero was on his way to turning heel before the knee injury) edit: watched the match. Aired in February 97. Mero attacks him with a chair after the match and Sable actually acts heelish Weird Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyonthewall2983 Posted July 29, 2011 Report Share Posted July 29, 2011 Could just be they changed their mind on turning them heels, and didn't air it because of that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tlk23 Posted July 29, 2011 Report Share Posted July 29, 2011 Would be nice if you cited the sources of where you got the stuff. An example of how to do that can be found in the work of Bix and Keith. John He always does stuff like that. He also jacks every post from the newsletter recap thread on this board and posts it as if he did it himself on C-Max and probably multiple other boards. Read the first posts of those thread. I don't take credit for anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdw Posted July 29, 2011 Report Share Posted July 29, 2011 Would be nice if you cited the sources of where you got the stuff. An example of how to do that can be found in the work of Bix and Keith. John He always does stuff like that. He also jacks every post from the newsletter recap thread on this board and posts it as if he did it himself on C-Max and probably multiple other boards. Read the first posts of those thread. I don't take credit for anything. You're joking or thinking we're rubes, right? – WWE officials went to great lengths to keep the arrivals of both CM Punk and Jim Ross a secret before they aired on Raw. Both talents were hidden from almost everyone in the organization. They were sent to different hotels from everyone else in fear that someone would see them and relay it online. Neither came into the Hampton Coliseum until they were given the cue to appear, both being sequestered somewhere on the premises. They were not even on the sixth and final script for the show and aside from those who had to directly interact with them on television, all performers weren’t aware of either of talent being in Hampton, Virginia. Ironically, the arena itself was advertising Punk for the event. - SmackDown star the Big Show is taking a few months off to rest his body. At 39 years old, Big Show is at the point where he can prolong his career by taking time off every now and then for the benefit of his long term health. - There have been talks of turning Sheamus babyface and having him heel with Mark Henry this fall. - Here are some recent WWE attendance figures: * RAW on July 22nd in Springfield, MA drew 4,000 fans for $120,000. * RAW on July 23rd in Wildwood, NJ drew 6,000 fans for $195,000. * SmackDown on July 23rd in Pittsburgh, PA drew 4,300 fans for $156,000. * RAW on July 24th in Upper Marlboro, MD drew 3,300 fans for $112,000. * SmackDown on July 24th in White Plains, NY was a sellout of 4,300 fans for $180,000. * Monday Night RAW on July 25th from Hampton, VA was a sellout with 8,000 fans. Sources? – Multiple sources believe Claudio Castagnoli and Chris Hero, who perform as The Kings of Wrestling for Ring of Honor, will conclude their obligations with the organization next month and join WWE immediately thereafter. Though they are advertised for the August 13th Ring of Honor television taping in Chicago Ridge, Illinois, one source says it’s possible they will debut for WWE—bypassing developmental—before the end of the month. There are also rumors that they could be involved in CM Punk’s current storyline. Source? – WWE’s Capitol Punishment pay-per-view event featuring R-Truth vs. John Cena drew approximately 200,000 buys, according to business figures released for the month of June 2011 on their corporate website. The preliminary figure is up from 143,000 buys for the previous June’s pay-per-view event, Fatal 4-Way. Capitol Punishment was also up from the previous month’s pay-per-view, Over the Limit, which drew approximately 150,000 buys. Cena was also featured in the main event, but against The Miz in an “I Quit” Match. Source? – Sin Cara, who is currently serving a 30-day suspension due to his first violation of WWE’s Talent Wellness Program, is advertised for an event WWE.com has just listed; a SmackDown taping in St. Louis, Missouri taking place September 27. Regarding the masked grappler’s status with WWE, many employees are under the impression that management “had decided to cut bait on him.” Creative wasn’t informed until a day or two prior to Money in the Bank that he needed to be written off television and were also told to not “put any thought into any scenarios for him going forward.” A final decision regarding his immediate future has not been made. Source? - The ratings are in for Monday’s episode of WWE RAW. The July 25th edition of WWE RAW drew 3.2 rating with 4.8 million people watching. A trend worth noting is that show opened with a 3.01 in the first hour and climbed to a 3.4 for the final hour. This week’s viewership was virtually even with last week’s post-Money in the Bank RAW. Source? - Alberto Del Rio has once again been victimized by WWE’s haphazard booking as his long planned match with John Cena at SummerSlam was nixed hours before last night’s Raw telecast in Hampton, Virginia. Creative overhauled the match line-up for SummerSlam Monday afternoon after deeming their creative plans for CM Punk for the event as “awful.” Del Rio was effectively removed from the title picture as a result. WWE’s braintrust felt that had Punk not been slotted in the title match, his much talked about storyline would extinguish. Though Del Rio had the rug pulled out from under him once again, creative has the 34-year-old pegged for a title run this fall. WWE announced today they will present a landmark tour across Mexico this October and a number of high ranking officials feel the countryman returning as a conquering hero will garner a great deal of media attention. Meanwhile, The Miz was at one point scheduled to reign supreme in the WWE Championship Tournament on Raw. Creative later changed their mind and the WWE Championship was awarded to Rey Mysterio, who got to hold the belt for approximately an hour and a half. Source? - Monday’s RAW featured 40 minutes and 6 seconds of in-ring action, up a bit from the week before. Source? Since I don't think you actually had a stopwatch on the show. I left out a few others that frankly looked like copy&paste of someone else's work. In an earlier post last year, you cited at the top PWI and WON, but to me even if you did it here, that's a cop out. You need to cite the source for each item. Give the people who do the real work credit for their specific items. Anyway... it's not like we need that here. We have a lot of posters dragging over individual items from different places, and giving credit where it's due. We don't need an old Kunze style weekly wrap up of what's in the Sheets / Sheetwebs. John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tlk23 Posted July 29, 2011 Report Share Posted July 29, 2011 I was talking about the newsletter thread, not my news posts. You all know where the news comes from. You can check a half dozen different sites and all get the same news. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdw Posted July 29, 2011 Report Share Posted July 29, 2011 So why bother making the post: we all read that shit, or people drag it over. John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loss Posted July 29, 2011 Author Report Share Posted July 29, 2011 I don't really care that it's not his news or that he doesn't credit his sources. He's not a journalist, he's a poster at a message board. Asking him to do Cageside Seats-type sourcing when he's not running a web site is not realistic. Everyone knows where the stuff can be found. If not, if you want to know what his source is for something specific, ask him. If he doesn't respond, then that's a different issue. So why bother making the post: we all read that shit, or people drag it over. He was a person who dragged it over. Not a big deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artDDP Posted July 30, 2011 Report Share Posted July 30, 2011 was there a reason ever given why the WWF edited out Undertaker tombstoning Rena Mero after a Superstars match with Marc in fall of 96? I've heard that it was debated internally whether to air it or not. Was it a PR type thing or "wouldn't fit the character" type thing? And why was it booked like that with all 3 being babyfaces at the time? (if I have my timeline right maybe Mero was on his way to turning heel before the knee injury) edit: watched the match. Aired in February 97. Mero attacks him with a chair after the match and Sable actually acts heelish Weird I remember the "Superstars" angle being mentioned in the WWF Magazine in 1996. They published photos of 'Taker grabbing Sable by the throat. It was described as "too intense for television" and I think was hinting at an Undertaker heel turn? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dylan Waco Posted July 30, 2011 Report Share Posted July 30, 2011 We may have discussed this before, but did Tito Santana ever work heel? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NintendoLogic Posted July 30, 2011 Report Share Posted July 30, 2011 He was Alberto Del Rio's ring announcer on the old school Raw. That's all I can think of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Sorrow Posted July 30, 2011 Report Share Posted July 30, 2011 I also think HHH is exceptionally petty. Like, even by wrestling standards exceptionally petty.When did that happen? And what was the context? I must have missed it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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