rovert Posted November 28, 2011 Report Posted November 28, 2011 @Anyone who pays more attention to WWE matches than I do. I was listening to the latest Bruce Mitchell audio show. Does anyone drop an elbow anymore? When was the last cris-cross spot?
Coffey Posted November 28, 2011 Report Posted November 28, 2011 @Anyone who pays more attention to WWE matches than I do. I was listening to the latest Bruce Mitchell audio show. Does anyone drop an elbow anymore? When was the last cris-cross spot? What do you mean does anyone drop an elbow anymore? There's a lot of elbow drops. Both normal elbow drops and top rope elbow drops. Hell The Big Show did just a top rope Elbow Drop at Survivor Series. C.M. Punk does one in every match. Cris-cross spot is a lot harder to think of for me...
Loss Posted November 28, 2011 Report Posted November 28, 2011 Do hot tags ever get teased and cut off in tag matches? I remember getting frustrated with WWE tags at one point because everyone always made the hot tag on the first try.
Matt D Posted November 28, 2011 Report Posted November 28, 2011 Do hot tags ever get teased and cut off in tag matches? I remember getting frustrated with WWE tags at one point because everyone always made the hot tag on the first try. Demolition was awesome at.... Oh, wait you mean TODAY. Nevermind.
Loss Posted November 28, 2011 Report Posted November 28, 2011 Do hot tags ever get teased and cut off in tag matches? I remember getting frustrated with WWE tags at one point because everyone always made the hot tag on the first try. Demolition was awesome at.... Oh, wait you mean TODAY. Nevermind. Other stuff I don't see much anymore: * Leapfrogs * Armdrags * Hiptosses * Reverse rollups Basically, transitional moves and flash pin attempts. I may just not be paying attention.
El-P Posted November 28, 2011 Report Posted November 28, 2011 Other stuff I don't see much anymore: * Leapfrogs * Armdrags * Hiptosses * Reverse rollups Basically, transitional moves and flash pin attempts. I may just not be paying attention. I think those were killed by the influence of indieriffic moveset wrestlers like Edge. Which is a shame.
Coffey Posted November 28, 2011 Report Posted November 28, 2011 The Rock just did a few Armdrags, Steamboat style, at Survivor Series. You see hip tosses on pretty much every show. Same with roll-ups. Maybe not ones that win the match, and a roll-up reversal into a different roll-up is rare. Hot tags don't really exist today because WWE just takes a commercial break instead. If it's PPV, the match only gets like 8 minutes, so you can't really build to it in the first place. Grapple moves off the top that aren't a Superplex are rare (or non-existent) in WWE. When was the last time you saw something like a top rope samoan drop or belly-to-belly suplex? Only one I can think of was in a Regal Vs. Jericho match years ago.
JerryvonKramer Posted November 28, 2011 Report Posted November 28, 2011 How about typical heeling through the breaking of the rules? Things like making a deal of using a closed fist. Breaking the choke on a 4-count. Using the ropes on the abdominal stretch. I haven't watched since 2004, but that's the sort of stuff I imagine they don't do now.
Dylan Waco Posted November 29, 2011 Report Posted November 29, 2011 Do hot tags ever get teased and cut off in tag matches? I remember getting frustrated with WWE tags at one point because everyone always made the hot tag on the first try. Yes they do and fairly regularly at that. I seem to recall some good ones in the Air Boom v. McGuillicutty/Drew Mac Superstars match from a couple months back. And this week on SD there was a really fucking good tag with Ryder/Sheamus v. Swagger/Ziggler that had some nice hope spots.
Dylan Waco Posted November 29, 2011 Report Posted November 29, 2011 Also Ziggler does a standing elbow drop as a regular part of his moveset, although it's not really the traditional "elbow drop" as he leaps into the air when he does it
cm funk Posted November 29, 2011 Report Posted November 29, 2011 Grapple moves off the top that aren't a Superplex are rare (or non-existent) in WWE. When was the last time you saw something like a top rope samoan drop or belly-to-belly suplex? Only one I can think of was in a Regal Vs. Jericho match years ago. Cena does the Super FU and Punk has done the Super G2S. I feel like Daniel Bryan has done some off the top throws as well.
Kostka Posted November 29, 2011 Report Posted November 29, 2011 Do hot tags ever get teased and cut off in tag matches? I remember getting frustrated with WWE tags at one point because everyone always made the hot tag on the first try.Yeah all the time. The FIP hot tag tease of "try to jump over heels body to make the tag" is a pretty regular spot in WWE tags. I think they've improved a lot in recent years in how the southern style tags are structured in WWE. The Dolph/Swagger v Sheamus/Ryder tag Dylan mentioned featured everything you'd want out of one... nicely milked FIP, heels building heat, cutting off the ring, good double team spots and strategies, over babyfaces, great hot tag and stretch run.
NintendoLogic Posted December 24, 2011 Report Posted December 24, 2011 Do hot tags ever get teased and cut off in tag matches? I remember getting frustrated with WWE tags at one point because everyone always made the hot tag on the first try. I've bitched about simultaneous hot tags in other threads, but there have been a few matches where the heel made the tag first and got the cutoff. I think those were killed by the influence of indieriffic moveset wrestlers like Edge. Which is a shame. I remember Smackdown Six-era Edge doing quite a few flash pin attempts. But speaking of indieriffic movesets, I've noticed that in a lot of cases, indified versions of a move have supplanted the classic versions. For example, except for CM Punk, nobody does a proper bulldog anymore. They all do the one-handed version.
MJH Posted December 24, 2011 Report Posted December 24, 2011 Adonis (I think) had the best bulldog; he'd switch from the headlock to an elbow drop in the air. Does anyone drop a knee on the face anymore or is it always the shoulder?
tomk Posted December 24, 2011 Report Posted December 24, 2011 But speaking of indieriffic movesets, I've noticed that in a lot of cases, indified versions of a move have supplanted the classic versions. For example, except for CM Punk, nobody does a proper bulldog anymore. They all do the one-handed version. Is the Mutoh/HBK/Chris Jericho hair-mareish bulldog actually an indie move? I kind of assumed that the WWE prescribed that unless you were a woman you were not allowed to do a bulldog with a headlock (equivalent to the WWE German suplex). My memory is that at points both Dustin Rhodes, and Lance Cade (guys who did a standard bulldog before) were doing the hairmare variety in the WWE. Cade would do a standard bulldog on Heat/Velocity and then would do the WWE Mutoh type on the actual Smackdown/Raw shows. From 2000-2010 (and it might have started pre-2000) you were more likely to see a bulldog with headlock on the indies than in the WWE.
Bix Posted December 24, 2011 Report Posted December 24, 2011 Matt Hardy did a bulldog headlock, didn't he?
tomk Posted December 27, 2011 Report Posted December 27, 2011 Yes he did. 1) It was always refered to as "modified" or "variation" on bulldog. the hairmare bulldog is the correct WWF bulldog. 2) Was his goofy combo a bulldog/acecrusher? Cause I wouldn't count that. The more I think about it, the more I think the hairmare bulldog as official WWE bulldog must have started earlier than 2000, as its point that I remember Scott Keith stealing back when he was still regularly writing about wrestling.
cm funk Posted December 27, 2011 Report Posted December 27, 2011 nobody does the "Japanese arm drag" anymore
NintendoLogic Posted December 31, 2011 Report Posted December 31, 2011 Watching some Jumbo reminded me of another one. Nobody does a Thesz press as a pinning predicament anymore. Well, Jushin Liger does according to Wikipedia, but I haven't seen any of his recent matches. Everybody else uses it as a setup for a flurry of mounted punches.
MikeCampbell Posted December 31, 2011 Report Posted December 31, 2011 I couldn't tell you the last time I saw someone do the back body drop counter to the piledriver into a pinning position.
FLIK Posted December 31, 2011 Report Posted December 31, 2011 Don't see piledrivers period as often as you used to.
khawk20 Posted December 31, 2011 Report Posted December 31, 2011 I used to love it when the face got thrown out of the ring after a period of being dominated by the heel, and the heel would not let him back in...punishing him back to the floor with various kicks, punches, and assorted fouls. After the third or fourth time, the face would get mad, find a way back into the ring, and quickly get the heel begging off. The face would then go on the offence with various corner whips, backdrops, dropkicks, etc. The crowd, of course, went nuts the whole time. It was also usually a sign that the end of the match was near...not always, but most of the time. If this is still done with any regularity, I'd be curious to know if it works on any level. I don't picture it being an effective spot in a match of this era....but that's just me.
MikeCampbell Posted January 2, 2012 Report Posted January 2, 2012 Grapple moves off the top that aren't a Superplex are rare (or non-existent) in WWE. When was the last time you saw something like a top rope samoan drop or belly-to-belly suplex? Only one I can think of was in a Regal Vs. Jericho match years ago. Cena does the Super FU and Punk has done the Super G2S. I feel like Daniel Bryan has done some off the top throws as well. Angle used to be fucking in love with running up the corner suplexing his opponent off.
NintendoLogic Posted January 2, 2012 Report Posted January 2, 2012 Yeah, doesn't Angle do the pop-up into top rope belly-to-belly in like every big match? Also, CM Punk did a top rope hurricanrana at MITB. Speaking of which, does anybody outside of Mexico ever do a hurricanrana that actually ends in a rana? All the so-called hurricanranas I see are just headscissors takedowns.
Tim Evans Posted January 3, 2012 Report Posted January 3, 2012 Not neccisarly a move but when did wrestling stop having "over the top rope a automatic DQ"? I seem to remember WCW did it into the mid 90s.
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