FLIK Posted November 23, 2012 Report Share Posted November 23, 2012 I also thought the discussion about modern candidates was interesting with Bruce arguing (correctly in my view) that if there are no candidates coming down the pike who meet the established criteria then no one new should get in CM Punk will be elligable in 2 years (barely misses being qualified for next year by a couple months). What do people think his chances are? Unless his career just dramaticly falls off a cliff i'd think he has a great shot with maybe the only obsticle being the "I won't vote for an active wrestler" contingent working against him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kjh Posted November 23, 2012 Report Share Posted November 23, 2012 Punk's a very good performer, but he's really been a massive disappointment as a draw on top. Part of that is he lifted expectations so unreasonably high after his killer "shoot" promo on Vince McMahon and part is the WWE creative team dropping the ball, neither of which he can be blamed for, but he hasn't really clicked with the mainstream fans. It may be blasphemous to say this here, but Edge is probably a stronger candidate than Punk at this point, due to greater longevity and being a foil for Cena when the business was hotter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sean Liska Posted November 23, 2012 Report Share Posted November 23, 2012 Massive disappointment is a bit strong, unless you thought he was going to be Steve Austin after cutting that shoot promo, which was dumb on people's part since 90% of the promo went over the audience's heads. Punk just did 150K domestic buys with Ryback, a 50% increase from last year. Night of Champions was up with him and Cena on top. The only PPV this year down from last is Money in the Bank, because of Punk's angle last year. TV ratings were very healthy over the summer during the Punk/AJ/Bryan angle, until they sabatoged themselves by going 3 hours and killed their momentum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dylan Waco Posted November 23, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 23, 2012 Massive disappointment is Sting. Punk is something else. I wouldn't vote for him at this point, but his best matches are all time great level, as are his best angles. If you are someone who puts a lot of weight on the "artistic end" I could see you seeing him as a fairly good candidate, particularly by modern standards. I don't really at this point. Five more years like the last eighteen months? Maybe. Especially if he has a few Mania main events. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cox Posted November 23, 2012 Report Share Posted November 23, 2012 Which goes back to the point that Dave has put people on the ballot WAY too early. We shouldn't be talking about CM Punk's Hall of Fame chances for another 10 years, minimum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdw Posted November 23, 2012 Report Share Posted November 23, 2012 Punk will go in eventually, as will Danielson. Locks. We probably could think of others who will go in. John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLIK Posted November 23, 2012 Report Share Posted November 23, 2012 Which goes back to the point that Dave has put people on the ballot WAY too early. We shouldn't be talking about CM Punk's Hall of Fame chances for another 10 years, minimum. Don't see much benefit to waiting myself. I see the HoF as a pretty black & white thing whear either you've done enough to be worthy of getting in or you haven't and once you have done enough it'll take an awful lot to render that irrelevant. Like I can't think of anyone who's been voted in who was still active, that I think deserved to be voted in (key point) but then fell off to such a degree whear I changed my opinion that drastically. Guys of course can add to their credentials later on, like Kensuke Sasaki who had the best run of his career post 2005 at which point he was allready 40 and had been in wrestling 19-20 years but that's diffrent then saying someone who's allready reached a high enough level shouldn't go in because they did so in less time. We probably could think of others who will go in. I'm kinda blanking on too many other current guys who aren't on the ballot allready who'll have a good shot when they become elligable. Orton, Mistico and then uhhhh......???? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricky Jackson Posted November 23, 2012 Report Share Posted November 23, 2012 I know there are people that are high on him today, and I thought he was pretty good 4-5 years ago, but Randy Orton shouldn't come within 100 miles of the WON HoF. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NintendoLogic Posted November 23, 2012 Report Share Posted November 23, 2012 HOF eligibility is strictly opt-in. If you don't think someone's ready to be inducted yet, don't vote for him. I don't see the problem. Anyway, I said earlier in this thread that the only guys not yet eligible who are strong candidates are Punk, Danielson, and Mistico. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KrisZ Posted November 23, 2012 Report Share Posted November 23, 2012 Low-Ki is going to spark some interesting debates Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLIK Posted November 23, 2012 Report Share Posted November 23, 2012 Low-Ki is going to spark some interesting debates Did Meltzer say he was actually going to include him on the ballot or are you just guessing? A couple weeks ago he said on one of the radio shows that he was considering adding AJ Styles but that when he asked around, no one with a ballot said they'd actually vote for him so Meltzer figured why bother. I can't see the same not being true for Low Ki. Not really sure what the debate even would be for him. He's a great wrestler but not so great he could get in on work alone and that's all he really has going for him. He might do okay with reporters I suppose but I can't see historians or former wrestlers giving him much thought and for as talented as he is, he also has a rep of being really difficult to work with, an ego maniac, an asshole and a bit of a nut job among a lot of his peers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JNLister Posted November 23, 2012 Report Share Posted November 23, 2012 I'd say Mistico is probably one of the very few guys who was arguably a Hall of Fame contender before they became eligible but may well not get in by the time they reach that point just because he could well be seen as a flop in WWE long-term. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Posted November 24, 2012 Report Share Posted November 24, 2012 A lot of times it is good to wait because you really need perspective on a wrestler's career. From a publicity standpoint it also helps to stretch out your inductees a bit. It is generally bad for a Hall of Fame to go a year or several years without inductees. It absolutely kills interest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KrisZ Posted November 24, 2012 Report Share Posted November 24, 2012 He will be eligible in 2 years and I think he will be on there for sure because he has much more cache than someone like AJ Styles due to his Japan work along with his US work. Ki has always been polarizing among the internet fans so this would be the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dylan Waco Posted November 24, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 24, 2012 If people were scoffing at my KENTA fears I see no way in hell Low Ki can get in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricR Posted November 24, 2012 Report Share Posted November 24, 2012 I couldn't imagine Low-Ki getting even 5% of the vote if he were on the ballot. It doesn't matter that he was an undercarder in NOAH. Michael Modest was my favorite wrestler in the world at one point, and he had a much longer, much more successful NOAH run and at one point was also seen as arguably the best worker on the indies. I couldn't imagine voting for him though. For comparison, Fit Finlay couldn't even get 10% on his one year on the ballot. He's regarded within the industry as one of the best workers and one of the most respected workers of the last two decades, and he couldn't get 10%. How the hell is Low Ki supposed to get anywhere close to 10%? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KrisZ Posted November 24, 2012 Report Share Posted November 24, 2012 Ki has been IWGP Jr. Heavyweight champ on 3 occasions and the more Dave gives votes out to younger fans especially the ones that watch Japan still he still has a shot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dylan Waco Posted November 24, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 24, 2012 I don't see it. Of modern guys Ki is WELL down the list of guys I could see getting the ballot and being argued heavily in favor of even by people who I almost completely disagree with Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLIK Posted November 25, 2012 Report Share Posted November 25, 2012 Ki has been IWGP Jr. Heavyweight champ on 3 occasions Context is important for things like this. Yeah he was the champ but all 3 runs were short & forgettable. For 2 of them he only got to defend it once and both times that was against Taguchi a mid lvl guy on the pecking order and his 3rd most recent reign he held the belt for all of a month and lost it in his first defense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WingedEagle Posted November 25, 2012 Report Share Posted November 25, 2012 I like Low Ki. I enjoy watching Ki matches against most styles of opponents. If Ki maintains over 10% for more than 2-3 years I'm out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S.L.L. Posted November 25, 2012 Report Share Posted November 25, 2012 Low-Ki is going to spark some interesting debates Did Meltzer say he was actually going to include him on the ballot or are you just guessing? A couple weeks ago he said on one of the radio shows that he was considering adding AJ Styles but that when he asked around, no one with a ballot said they'd actually vote for him so Meltzer figured why bother. I can't see the same not being true for Low Ki. Not really sure what the debate even would be for him. He's a great wrestler but not so great he could get in on work alone and that's all he really has going for him. He might do okay with reporters I suppose but I can't see historians or former wrestlers giving him much thought and for as talented as he is, he also has a rep of being really difficult to work with, an ego maniac, an asshole and a bit of a nut job among a lot of his peers. I'd think the argument for Ki would be work and influence. Ki and Danielson were the point men in kicking off the early-2000's indy explosion, and of the two, Ki really played the bigger role in initiating it, though Danielson clearly did more to sustain it. Granted, I would not ever consider that HOF-worthy influence, and I wouldn't vote for him in a million years if I had a ballot. But if you want to make an argument for him, that's probably the one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dylan Waco Posted November 25, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 25, 2012 Sabu went nowhere on influence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NintendoLogic Posted November 25, 2012 Report Share Posted November 25, 2012 Sabu went nowhere on influence. It has to be a positive influence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dylan Waco Posted November 25, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 25, 2012 I wouldn't vote for Sabu, but there were plenty of people - including a lot of people who vote - who likely considered him a "positive" influence in many ways. Anyhow the point is if Sabu couldn't get enough "influence" love to stay on the ballot, I see no way in hell that will be a serious argument for Low Ki Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El-P Posted November 25, 2012 Report Share Posted November 25, 2012 So, Low Ki is that indy guys who kicks very hard, think of himself as some kind of tough guy because he's got a low voice and he's a mark for kicking people really hard when they give their body to him, has done nothing in any major promotion and kickstarted (punintended) a wave of kickpad indy guys clone over the last decade. I mean, seriously ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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