FLIK Posted August 11, 2012 Report Posted August 11, 2012 What's up with DVDVR lately? They've been down more than they've been up. I've never seen so many problems with a website. Eh, by this point I pretty much exspect a DVDVR outtage atleast once every few weeks/month at most. Usually last a day or so & they're back up so I don't worry much anymore. Who's A W? Abraham Washington, was a manager in the WWE
Badlittlekitten Posted August 11, 2012 Report Posted August 11, 2012 I'm kinda gutted AW's gone, he could be funny on occasion and it was something different. It was a good gimmick to get the live crowd into the tag matches. On the other hand Titus o'neil is good enough on the mic himself but I can't see them giving him promo time.
kjh Posted August 11, 2012 Report Posted August 11, 2012 I know his gimmick is to be edgy, but it's pretty classless to make fun of a colleagues disappearance from TV due to domestic abuse.
Loss Posted August 11, 2012 Author Report Posted August 11, 2012 Wrestling in general is fairly tasteless. Some of the best talkers of all time could not succeed in such a controlled, sanitized environment. Yes, it's a little classless, but he's a heel. Then again, maybe WWE was right to get rid of him because everything everyone says on WWE TV is filtered through the voice of one person, and that's something everyone knows. To the public, "AW" didn't say this, "Vince McMahon" or "WWE" said this.
NintendoLogic Posted August 11, 2012 Report Posted August 11, 2012 At its core, wrestling is escapist entertainment. There are some lines that shouldn't be crossed. If you have to hit that far below the belt to get heat, you're a pretty lousy heel.
Dylan Waco Posted August 11, 2012 Report Posted August 11, 2012 Then most of the "great" heels were pretty lousy
Loss Posted August 11, 2012 Author Report Posted August 11, 2012 It's unfortunate when even wrestling can't exploit real emotions anymore.
Matt D Posted August 11, 2012 Report Posted August 11, 2012 I still can't get over the Finlay firing.
Dylan Waco Posted August 11, 2012 Report Posted August 11, 2012 I still cant' get over the Finlay rehiring which was the worst thing for wrestling in 2012
cm funk Posted August 11, 2012 Report Posted August 11, 2012 AW, Young and O'Neil had the start of a good act, it's too bad we won't get to see how that would have played out. I'm interested to see how they write him out If you can excuse a brief moment of fantasy booking, I'd like the explanation to be that AJ fired him over the weekend, the Prime Time Players are pissed off at her, they find a sympathetic compatriot backstage in Daniel Bryan, and it leads to a loose alliance between them going forward. Bryan could do well with some muscle behind him. Maybe AJ books them in a 6 man tag against Kane/Kofi/Truth.
KrisZ Posted August 11, 2012 Report Posted August 11, 2012 Wrestling in general is fairly tasteless. Some of the best talkers of all time could not succeed in such a controlled, sanitized environment. Yes, it's a little classless, but he's a heel. Then again, maybe WWE was right to get rid of him because everything everyone says on WWE TV is filtered through the voice of one person, and that's something everyone knows. To the public, "AW" didn't say this, "Vince McMahon" or "WWE" said this. Well on Around the Horn last week when Israel Gutierrez mentioned it in his face time he never mentioned AW by name but blasted WWE for scripting such a tasteless joke.
NintendoLogic Posted August 11, 2012 Report Posted August 11, 2012 There's tons of shit that worked in the past that wouldn't fly today, like sneaky Japanese heels. Society advances. And the degree to which heels in the old days had free rein to offend is overstated. After the Brazilian flag incident, people were saying that Jericho was just being an old-school heel. I can't find the post, but Dave said that any promotion that ran a flag desecration angle in the 70s or 80s would have been thrown off TV.
Loss Posted August 11, 2012 Author Report Posted August 11, 2012 Shawn Michaels humped the Canadian flag in 1997 on a pay-per-view. WWF didn't lose TV. Bill Watts was buried under a Russian flag in the UWF. They didn't lose TV.
flyonthewall2983 Posted August 11, 2012 Report Posted August 11, 2012 The real low point of the Slaughter/Iraq angle was when Okerlund "heard from someone backstage" that Sarge burnt an American flag after beating Warrior for the belt in celebration of winning. And I think Slaughter said Vince wanted him to burn it on television, but it was leveled down to Hogan's shirt which was akin to burning the flag (also made for a great visual).
KrisZ Posted August 11, 2012 Report Posted August 11, 2012 WWE is so spooked by their sponsors that anything that gets them grief in the media makes them nervous plus reading his tweets, AW didn't help his cause if this is all true.
Johnny Guitar Posted August 11, 2012 Report Posted August 11, 2012 Shawn Michaels humped the Canadian flag in 1997 on a pay-per-view. WWF didn't lose TV. That was 15 years ago though. Alot of things have changed since then. There's alot of stuff that WWF did on TV back in 1996/97, when they were PG, that wouldn't fly today. When they are PG. To tie this into AW's comment and how it could be percieved as Vince's/WWE's comment. I used to love how most of Austin, Pillman and Bret's promo's in 96/97 ended with Vince apologizing on commentry. Back then anything that anyone said or did could be excused as guys getting caught up in the moment as it was live and they were ad-libbing. With WWE stressing the scripted nature of the show over the last decade plus. They've painted themselve's into a corner. Plus they seem more beholden too things like the wishes of their advertisers and linda's sentate campaign. So they don't want to rock the boat and people who do get thrown under the bus.
Loss Posted August 11, 2012 Author Report Posted August 11, 2012 I was responding to Nintendo Logic pointing out Dave saying that in the past, flag desecration would have resulted in lost TV.
Johnny Guitar Posted August 11, 2012 Report Posted August 11, 2012 I was responding to Nintendo Logic pointing out Dave saying that in the past, flag desecration would have resulted in lost TV. Sorry dude.
Al Posted August 11, 2012 Report Posted August 11, 2012 The real low point of the Slaughter/Iraq angle was when Okerlund "heard from someone backstage" that Sarge burnt an American flag after beating Warrior for the belt in celebration of winning. And I think Slaughter said Vince wanted him to burn it on television, but it was leveled down to Hogan's shirt which was akin to burning the flag (also made for a great visual).Not even burnt, defaced. Obviously you don't want to be offensive. But I do think wrestling companies have a bit of a problem. A good heel naturally pisses people off.
Badlittlekitten Posted August 11, 2012 Report Posted August 11, 2012 Is a heel destroying a flag a big deal though? It always seems like it's just the Americans that get uptight about that sort of thing.
JerryvonKramer Posted August 12, 2012 Report Posted August 12, 2012 I don't really see a problem. Some of the shit Ted DiBiase did in those skits was pretty despicable if you think about it. What about Vince's kiss my ass club? If heels have to go a step further to get over and piss people off now, why not? That's what heels are meant to do.
NintendoLogic Posted August 12, 2012 Report Posted August 12, 2012 1997 is not the 70s or 80s. And even then, it would have been a much bigger deal if Bret Hart had humped the American flag.
JerryvonKramer Posted August 12, 2012 Report Posted August 12, 2012 Out of interest, would you care if someone burned the US flag? Would it rile you up etc?
JerryvonKramer Posted August 12, 2012 Report Posted August 12, 2012 I only ask that because even right now, in the middle of the Olympic games and probably at the height of British national sentiment, don't think most Brits would care if they saw a Union Jack or St. George's Cross being burned. I'm sure some would, but reckon most wouldn't.
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