Badlittlekitten Posted July 22, 2013 Report Share Posted July 22, 2013 Na, he looks far, far worse than Punk. He hasn't got an ounce of his talent either. I wouldn't be surprised if he got the drop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bix Posted July 22, 2013 Report Share Posted July 22, 2013 Dave basically confirmed this on the latest WOR Sin Limite show. Also said something caused Paige to lose favor this week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cox Posted July 22, 2013 Report Share Posted July 22, 2013 Paige was apparently involved in some Facebook drama with Corey Graves (I only know about this because one of my friends is friends with her on Facebook). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cm funk Posted July 22, 2013 Report Share Posted July 22, 2013 Pinch of salt here but apparently Triple H doesn't like Kassius Ohno's body and his lack of motivation to improve it: http://www.wrestlinginc.com/wi/news/2013/0...d-indefinitely/ Is Wrestling Inc. a credible news source?  I'm wondering because on the latest Court Bauer & John Pollock show at mlw.com, Court is talking about a guy in developmental who's in the doghouse right now, could be on the bubble to be released, and it would absolutely shock people. The way he described him (guy who's been there for a long time, frustrated that he hasn't been called up yet while others have passed him by, might be losing motivation to train as hard and isn't taking advantage of the new gym) I thought for sure he was talking about Hero.  This article and it's "source" reads like someone listened to that podcast and extrapolated from that   I think they might have added some dramatics to the story (I doubt he's in danger of getting released), but it's clearly not smart to decide to protest your lack of promotion by slacking off in the gym department. Developmental is Hunter's baby, and we all know he's a bodybuilding mark, so a developmental guy showing an unwillingness to hit the gym is the career equivalent of shooting yourself in the head. Considering Hero has the same skinny-fat build as Punk without all the tats to distract your eye from it, he could have played his hand better.  Wrestling Inc didn't add the "in danger of being released" part to the story to dramatize it. That was Court Bauer on his podcast, who basically spelled out the entire story that people are now running with, though he didn't actually name the wrestler in question. That newz website as far as I can tell just took what Bauer said on the podcast and expanded on it with the assumption that a) it was Chris Hero, and that it was HHH. Which would seem obvious, but I doubt that they actually have firsthand sources to confirm any of it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KrisZ Posted July 23, 2013 Report Share Posted July 23, 2013 Well there was a cut in NXT tonight but it was Alberto del Rio's brother Memo Montenegro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superstar Sleeze Posted July 23, 2013 Report Share Posted July 23, 2013 Per usual, I am a week behind in my RAW watching, but I just watched Del Rio vs Ziggler from last week and was really impressed. I was totally buying what everyone was saying about Ziggler's ability to perform as a babyface, but I thought he put in one helluva performances. What I really loved about the layout was that it was not back and forth at all. It was Del Rio in control and Ziggler was hanging on by a thread, but would make you believe he could pull it out with all his hope spots. I have not seen hope spots better timed this year from my recollection. He worked his wicked bumps in such a way to induce sympathy rather than be stooging, comedy spot. My dad totally nailed that his repeated elbow drops would go over huge with live audiences so that they could count along with him. Outside of Cena/Punk, Bryan/Ryback and Bryan/Orton, I have this as my Free TV MOTY with only Cena/Punk really outdistancing it. Â On a more general note, I cant remember a time period when WWE TV from a wrestling standpoint was this good consistently. There is usually at least one really good match a week now on RAW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Childs Posted July 23, 2013 Report Share Posted July 23, 2013 Not defending Hero's behavior in WWE, because I've heard some of the same criticisms from people who are major supporters of his. But to say he doesn't have an ounce of Punk's ability is absurd. If anything, he's a superior physical talent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rovert Posted July 23, 2013 Report Share Posted July 23, 2013 Well there was a cut in NXT tonight but it was Alberto del Rio's brother Memo Montenegro Everyone says it but it is funny how much more he resembled Ricardo than his own actual brother. Memo in the white shirt: Â Â Paige was apparently involved in some Facebook drama with Corey Graves (I only know about this because one of my friends is friends with her on Facebook). So she buried herself by dating Graves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smack2k Posted July 23, 2013 Author Report Share Posted July 23, 2013 Fuckin shit.....who gives a shit if he isnt built great...if the dude can go AND talk , which Hero can, get him out there and give it a shot.....put him in a singlet with long pants or something if his body bothers you..shit, put him in the Super H shirt but make it a Super KO or something like that... Â To not get him out there wrestling and doing what he does best due to his body not being all roided up (sorry, MORE time spent in the gym) is bullshit....and Punk's body really isnt that better, but like someone else said, his tats hide a lot of it...and he proved WWE wrong when they were down on him in 2007.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badlittlekitten Posted July 23, 2013 Report Share Posted July 23, 2013 Not defending Hero's behavior in WWE, because I've heard some of the same criticisms from people who are major supporters of his. But to say he doesn't have an ounce of Punk's ability is absurd. If anything, he's a superior physical talent. What's he good at exactly? He's looked boring every time I've seen him on NXT, with his crappy, sluggish striking. He had a good match with Regal but it's Regal. He looks like shit, has no presence, can't talk . . Don't see it. Â Everyone on here watches NXT though right? Such a cracking show at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Childs Posted July 23, 2013 Report Share Posted July 23, 2013 Not defending Hero's behavior in WWE, because I've heard some of the same criticisms from people who are major supporters of his. But to say he doesn't have an ounce of Punk's ability is absurd. If anything, he's a superior physical talent. What's he good at exactly? He's looked boring every time I've seen him on NXT, with his crappy, sluggish striking. He had a good match with Regal but it's Regal. He looks like shit, has no presence, can't talk . . Don't see it. Â Everyone on here watches NXT though right? Such a cracking show at the moment. Â Haven't watched him much on NXT, but that's a tiny sample compared to his decade-plus as a top indy guy. He threw all sorts of nifty elbow combinations (though he went overboard with them at times), was unusually agile for a guy his size, could go on the mat with a guy like Danielson, carried himself like a star. Basically, he was the complete opposite of what you're describing, though to be fair, it seems like I haven't seen most of what you're reacting to and you haven't seen much of his indy work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anarchistxx Posted July 23, 2013 Report Share Posted July 23, 2013 I never rated Chris Hero on the indies. He looked way too forced, you never really bought him either as a character or as an in ring threat. Once he loses the size advantage he has on the smaller feds he just blends into the background, I can see why WWE wouldn't be too high on him. He lookes hideous in the picture posted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strummer Posted July 24, 2013 Report Share Posted July 24, 2013 from the tapings tonight it looks like they are doing Dolph/Kaitlyn v Big E/AJ at Summerslam. Have no idea what they do with the Shield now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jmare007 Posted July 24, 2013 Report Share Posted July 24, 2013 I don't think that feud with Henry is over. I read that Mark beat The Shield up after the match. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cm funk Posted July 24, 2013 Report Share Posted July 24, 2013 I've been back and forth on Hero over the years. He was such an indyriffic jobber back in the day. What's that phrase we use around here to describe WWE main events we don't like? Self aware pretentious wankfest? Or something like that. That was every Hero match for years. Like he was cosplaying being a wrestler  Then I thought he improved a lot and become a very solid worker, after he ditched the wanky "this is wrestling! I am wrestling!" bs. Hero and Claudio were a great tag team who had a nice long run, one of the best US tag runs in recent memory  I'd like to see Hero get a shot, but really, it doesn't surprise me that the company might be down on him. They never seemed that interested in him in the first place. It took him years just to get signed, and he's been in developmental for years at this point. I know he has some friends and supporters on the main roster, but when the key decision makers are down on you for whatever reason, he's probably f'd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Staples Posted July 25, 2013 Report Share Posted July 25, 2013 Any reason in particular Wade Barrett is being turned into a jobber lately?  April 8, 2013 – RAW: Wade Barrett defeated WWE Intercontinental champion the Miz to win the title. April 12, 2013 – SmackDown: WWE Intercontinental champion Wade Barrett defeated Santino Marella in a non-title match. April 15, 2013 – SmackDown: R-Truth defeated WWE Intercontinental champion Wade Barrett in a non-title match. April 17, 2013 – Main Event: Intercontinental Champion Wade Barrett defeated Justin Gabriel to retain the title. April 18, 2013 – NXT: Intercontinental Champion Wade Barrett defeated Bo Dallas to retain the title. April 19, 2013 – SmackDown: WWE United States champion Kofi Kingston defeated WWE Intercontinental champion Wade Barrett in a non-title match. April 26, 2013 – SmackDown: WWE Intercontinental champion Wade Barrett defeated William Regal in a non-title match. May 6, 2013 – RAW: Sheamus defeated WWE Intercontinental champion Wade Barrett in a non-title match. May 15, 2013 – Main Event: Sin Cara defeated Intercontinental Champion Wade Barrett in a non-title match. May 20, 2013 – RAW: The Miz and Chris Jericho defeated Fandango and the WWE Intercontinental champion Wade Barrett. May 24, 2013 – SmackDown: The Miz defeated WWE Intercontinental champion Wade Barrett by disqualification. May 27, 2013 – RAW: Fandango defeated WWE Intercontinental champion Wade Barrett in a non-title match. May 29, 2013 – Main Event: Sheamus defeated Intercontinental Champion Wade Barrett in a non-title match. June 3, 2013 – RAW: The Miz defeated the WWE Intercontinental champion Wade Barrett in a non-title match. June 14, 2013 – SmackDown: Curtis Axel defeated WWE Intercontinental champion Wade Barrett in a non-title match. June 16, 2013 – Payback: Curtis Axel defeated WWE Intercontinental champion Wade Barrett and the Miz in a triple threat match to win the title. June 17, 2013 – RAW: Christian defeated Wade Barrett. June 21, 2013 – SmackDown: WWE Intercontinental champion Curtis Axel defeated Wade Barrett a non-title match. July 12, 2013 – SmackDown: Fandango defeated Wade Barrett. July 14, 2013 – Money in the Bank: Damien Sandow defeated Fandango, Dean Ambrose, Jack Swagger, Antonio Cesaro, Cody Rhodes, and Wade Barrett in a ‘Money in the Bank’ ladder match to earn the WWE world heavyweight championship briefcase. July 19, 2013 – SmackDown: Daniel Bryan defeated Wade Barrett. July 22, 2013 – RAW: Rob Van Dam defeated Wade Barrett.   It seems as he won the IC title back from The Miz and basically jobbed until he lost it and then jobbed some more. Just seems strange that only 3 years ago he was the golden boy in the Nexus and now he's just a step above Heath Slater. Hell, did anyone become worthwhile because of that stable? Bryan lasted only a day before he was kicked out/fired, Skip Shefield vanished for two years until coming back as Ryback, Husky Harris just redebuted as Bray Wyatt after disappearing for a year, Michael McGillicutty was a running joke before being rebranded as Curtis Axel and everyone else slowly became jobbers or comedy characters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anarchistxx Posted July 25, 2013 Report Share Posted July 25, 2013 Any reason in particular Wade Barrett is being turned into a jobber lately? a. debut the wrestler b. establish the wrestler c. push the wrestler to the moon d. job the wrestler out week after week e. release the wrestler/repackage the wrestler/push the wrestler  Pretty much the prototype for anyone who comes in and gets an initial rub by the WWE. Bizarre booking policy, and one that prevents anyone being seen as a threat to their truly top level guys. Nobody ever gets to move up to that level, because after the initial push the rug is pulled from under them. Ryback and Barrett are two recent examples. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Staples Posted July 25, 2013 Report Share Posted July 25, 2013 Any reason in particular Wade Barrett is being turned into a jobber lately? a. debut the wrestler b. establish the wrestler c. push the wrestler to the moon d. job the wrestler out week after week e. release the wrestler/repackage the wrestler/push the wrestler  Pretty much the prototype for anyone who comes in and gets an initial rub by the WWE. Bizarre booking policy, and one that prevents anyone being seen as a threat to their truly top level guys. Nobody ever gets to move up to that level, because after the initial push the rug is pulled from under them. Ryback and Barrett are two recent examples.  But it's been three years since he debuted and this would be his second time through that cycle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anarchistxx Posted July 25, 2013 Report Share Posted July 25, 2013 Well like all natural cycles it continues to go round and round, usually until the wrestler is released or quits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vicious&delicious Posted July 25, 2013 Report Share Posted July 25, 2013 Barrett is a guy who can't gain any traction. It seems like most of the time he is in the midcard trading wins with the likes of the Miz and Kofi. When he's actually on a winning streak, his renewed credibility is used to feed him to main event types like Orton or Sheamus. It reminds me a lot of the spot Ziggler had prior to cashing in the briefcase. Â I considered posting about Barrett in the biggest fall from grace thread. Barrett debuts and is immediately front and center in an angle with Cena. Totally looks like he belongs. His mic work was fantastic. I attended a November 2010 Raw (the one where Sheamus won King of the Ring) and I just remember Barrett getting booed out of the building. Today the guy barely touches a mic and hasn't been in a memorable angle of note since the Nexus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueminister Posted July 26, 2013 Report Share Posted July 26, 2013 Hero will always have the CZW/ROH feud going for him, just unimpeachable indy heel stuff on the level of Punk trolling Juggalos in IWA-MS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goc Posted July 28, 2013 Report Share Posted July 28, 2013 I hadn't finished watching the MITB PPV until today, putting off the Ziggler/Del Rio match because it was the match I was the least interested in. But man, this pairing really surprised me again. I thought their double turn/title change match last month at Payback was the best match on the show, and this one was another really good match although with a shitty finish. I haven't seen any of Dolph's TV matches since becoming a face but his two PPV matches with Del Rio have greatly exceeded my expectations. I'm willing to get on the very back of the Dolph Ziggler bandwagon, ready to jump off at any time. I also think Del Rio needs some kind of impact finisher targeting the head because I'm really digging these matches where he focuses on the head instead of the arm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stiva Posted July 28, 2013 Report Share Posted July 28, 2013 I also think Del Rio needs some kind of impact finisher targeting the head because I'm really digging these matches where he focuses on the head instead of the arm. I think Del Rio is awesome but was disappointed by his match with Sheamus exactly because he didn't really lay the kicks in like he did with Ziggler. I'd like to see an ADR run through the Autumn months where he's KOing guys with kicks but he's inconsistent with it ATM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strummer Posted July 29, 2013 Report Share Posted July 29, 2013 watching Total Divas. if the WWE's goal was to make their performers as irritating as possible they really hit a homerun. But I loathe reality TV in general. Poor Nattie can't even catch a break in a scripted reality show Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minds_Eys Posted July 29, 2013 Report Share Posted July 29, 2013 My wife despises wrestling, but loves the Kardashians, etc. I talked her into watching Total Divas and she really enjoyed it and is looking forward to the rest of the season. Maybe by the end she will grow to appreciate wrestling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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