goc Posted January 30, 2014 Report Share Posted January 30, 2014 I don't like the PTP breakup, mostly because I think Titus has a much better chance to breakout as a babyface than a heel.. Call me cynical, but I think Titus was the heel by default because Darren Young couldn't be the heel. You are right though. No, I mean I get that. I know there is no way they would turn Darren. But I think they could have split them up without forcing either to go heel. I also don't think people cared enough about the team for a feud to work between them. At least Cryme Tyme was over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stiva Posted January 30, 2014 Report Share Posted January 30, 2014 Re: The Prime Time Players: I think turning Titus heel is a bad move. There was a time in the summer where a Titus O'Neill vs Roman Reigns head to head was met with a great pop from the crowd during a time where the PTP meant nothing in the greater picture. On a grander level, he has his "woof!" or whatever it is but he has little experience in getting his solo spots over and I think he has a better chance of doing that as a babyface IMO. I don't think they should have broken the PTP up even if The Usos are the new face of the tag division Post-Mania as they could have easily transitioned into a tag title run in the summer with the right booking and become an over act. O'Neill is better than Shad too whose heel turn was slightly optimistic; Titus is a charismatic dude but I think he's better suited as a face. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rzombie1988 Posted January 30, 2014 Report Share Posted January 30, 2014 The PTP's were doomed to break up from the start considering that A) they are a tag team and B ) Titus has shown some charisma/improvement to go with his size which WWE absolutely loves. While I'm not a fan of breaking up tag teams, as I believe you can keep them friends who just haven't teamed much lately, I don't think the move was a bad call. Titus could be a star and they had a limited shelf life as a WWE tag team. Titus definitely seems to be better off as a face and who knows, he may be at some point. Not sure about DY. He's good in ring but most people haven't seen his good stuff and the stuff he is good at isn't extremely noticeable(really good at bumps and clearly has power). I've always kind of felt he was on borrowed time, though the coming out thing gave him some extra shelf life. One issue I see WWE having soon is that they have too many big limited power guys. You have Batista, Brock(not counting him though as he's a great worker), Big E, Rusev, Titus(soon), Reigns, Henry and others. Having more of one thing makes all of it seem less special. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dylan Waco Posted January 30, 2014 Report Share Posted January 30, 2014 The sad thing is that with The Rhodes, Shield and Real Americans all pretty obviously on life support as tag teams, PTP's could have slipped into a ppv/featured feud v. The Usos on the backside of Mania. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimmas Posted January 30, 2014 Report Share Posted January 30, 2014 So, two months ago they were going on about having such a great tag division and it was awesome. Now they are breaking up The Shield, The Rhodes Brothers, The Prime Time Players and The Real Americans and The New Age Outlaws are the champions. What the heck happened? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rzombie1988 Posted January 30, 2014 Report Share Posted January 30, 2014 So, two months ago they were going on about having such a great tag division and it was awesome. Now they are breaking up The Shield, The Rhodes Brothers, The Prime Time Players and The Real Americans and The New Age Outlaws are the champions. What the heck happened?WWE loves to break up a bunch of teams at the same time. The WWE draft used to seem to set that out as a goal and the yearly WWE mass post-WM firings usually do quite the number. I don't care what anyone says, even HHH, tag teams are always going to be a predominantly midcard or lower act in the WWE. The Uso's did tons of matches against the PTP's on Superstars/Main Event if anyone wants to relive them. I know of four at minimum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cm funk Posted January 30, 2014 Report Share Posted January 30, 2014 Darren Young to me is the prototypical "needs to be in a babyface tag" guy. He's a good FIP, and he's got a good babyface comeback. PTPer matches were always better when they were faces. I also like that they would switch up the expected structure of a big man/little man tag team match and Titus would often play FIP. With all these tags looking to break up around the same time hopefully they have some ideas for new teams in mind. There'll be the Usos, the Wyatts, Los Matadores, Ryback/Axel and 3MB left. I expect The Ascension to be one of the first post-WM callups. If they break up Real Americans I hope they keep Zeb with Swagger and give him a new partner. He's another guy who's always been a better tag guy than a single IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goc Posted January 30, 2014 Report Share Posted January 30, 2014 Darren Young to me is the prototypical "needs to be in a babyface tag" guy. He's a good FIP, and he's got a good babyface comeback. PTPer matches were always better when they were faces. I also like that they would switch up the expected structure of a big man/little man tag team match and Titus would often play FIP. With all these tags looking to break up around the same time hopefully they have some ideas for new teams in mind. There'll be the Usos, the Wyatts, Los Matadores, Ryback/Axel and 3MB left. I expect The Ascension to be one of the first post-WM callups. If they break up Real Americans I hope they keep Zeb with Swagger and give him a new partner. He's another guy who's always been a better tag guy than a single IMO. I don't know what they are doing with the Real Americans breakup, but the whole thing seems to be starting with problems between Swagger and Zeb. They probably would decide to try ANOTHER Swagger singles push. Maybe this time they'll try him out as a face. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy Redman Posted January 30, 2014 Report Share Posted January 30, 2014 After the slap it occurred to me that Jack Swagger is probably the guy who has been on the roster the longest without ever having a face run. He debuted in late 2008 and has been a heel for over five years straight now. With WWE's usual policy of turning people willy nilly that's pretty something. I'm now trying to think if anyone beats him. Drew Mac debuted in mid-late 2009, from memory. Cody had a good run as a heel from 2007 to 2013, six years. On the flipside, Kofi Kingston debuted at the start of 2008 and has never been a heel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt D Posted January 30, 2014 Report Share Posted January 30, 2014 After the slap it occurred to me that Jack Swagger is probably the guy who has been on the roster the longest without ever having a face run. He debuted in late 2008 and has been a heel for over five years straight now. With WWE's usual policy of turning people willy nilly that's pretty something. I really think there's an obvious patriotic Kurt-Angle-In-Summer/Fall 2001 babyface run in him too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chief Posted January 30, 2014 Report Share Posted January 30, 2014 After the slap it occurred to me that Jack Swagger is probably the guy who has been on the roster the longest without ever having a face run. He debuted in late 2008 and has been a heel for over five years straight now. With WWE's usual policy of turning people willy nilly that's pretty something. I really think there's an obvious patriotic Kurt-Angle-In-Summer/Fall 2001 babyface run in him too. The only problem is who he's paired up with. Cesaro is eventually going to be a babyface just based on the giant swing alone. Do they flip them both? Turn on Zeb? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy Redman Posted January 30, 2014 Report Share Posted January 30, 2014 They could both turn on Zeb now as a team (as heels or with a face turn), and then split the two of them up later on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt D Posted January 30, 2014 Report Share Posted January 30, 2014 Turn Cesaro now. Toss Rybaxel into The Real Americans. Turn Swagger next year. Give him another year to stay clean and out of trouble and then push him at a key point when there's some patriotic groundswell for some reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goc Posted January 30, 2014 Report Share Posted January 30, 2014 I could get behind a Ryback/Swagger team with Zeb. Ryback needs some really overdone airbrushed red white and blue gear. Don't see any reason to throw Axel into that mix though. Time to just cut their losses there. They hold on to guys way too long after it's obvious that the potential everyone saw in them is not going to be realized. Ted Jr. would probably still be there if he didn't decide to leave on his own! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
efrim Posted January 30, 2014 Report Share Posted January 30, 2014 Turn Cesaro now. Toss Rybaxel into The Real Americans. Turn Swagger next year. Give him another year to stay clean and out of trouble and then push him at a key point when there's some patriotic groundswell for some reason. I think Ryback might be ready to rebuild as a singles competitor, its kind of slight, but his twitter trolling has been fun and I'd like to see them flesh that out somehow. Axel doesn't have much to recommend him imo, but I think he'd look solid as a real American next to Swagger. The Aryan master race look of the two would be right for a crypto-racist outfit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loss Posted January 30, 2014 Report Share Posted January 30, 2014 How did they explain Cesaro even being in that tag team in the first place? I wasn't paying close attention at the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy Redman Posted January 30, 2014 Report Share Posted January 30, 2014 How did they explain Cesaro even being in that tag team in the first place? I wasn't paying close attention at the time. Zeb talked about Cesaro immigrating the "right way" by doing it legally, speaking English and wanting to become an American citizen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loss Posted January 30, 2014 Report Share Posted January 30, 2014 Wow, a Zeb encounter with that pinko hippy Daniel Bryan should really happen, if it hasn't already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jmare007 Posted February 1, 2014 Report Share Posted February 1, 2014 After watching Smackdown, I really hope that some miracle happens and they postpone Shield's break up for a couple of months. That promo by Bray/Harper was the best I've seen from them as a stable and it's a shame that we'll only get to see them feud for 1 month and for only 1 match. Reigns push has been done perfectly so far imo, but does anyone have any faith WWE wont over push him too soon and/or give him a horrible babyface character by June? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TheGreatPuma Posted February 1, 2014 Report Share Posted February 1, 2014 Dolph Zigger's promo on the WWE App when talking to Tom Phillips was epic. They have to show that on TV. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rovert Posted February 1, 2014 Report Share Posted February 1, 2014 Dolph Zigger's promo on the WWE App when talking to Tom Phillips was epic. They have to show that on TV. The promo: http://www.wwe.com/videos/tom-phillips-int...n-31-2-26179139 Interested in people's opinions on it. I've read people say it was the best promo since CM Punk's pipebomb promo and in terms of delivery and emotion Mick Foley's (ECW) stuff. But I am on the other end of scale who thinks it is simply a whiny, cringey in places Millennial promo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Rob Posted February 1, 2014 Report Share Posted February 1, 2014 From a kayfabe perspective it doesn't hold much weight either, considering he just got cleanly beaten by Cesaro. I'd say that he was pretty much outshone there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jmare007 Posted February 1, 2014 Report Share Posted February 1, 2014 It was a great promo but I don't see it as being career changing or something like that at all. And yeah, kayfabe wise it made little sense but his whole gimmick is about putting on a show regardless of the outcome of the match Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NintendoLogic Posted February 1, 2014 Report Share Posted February 1, 2014 Dolph has clearly been studying at the John Cena school of speaking calmly to show how serious you are and then YELLING REALLY LOUD TO SHOW HOW INTENSE YOU ARE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loss Posted February 1, 2014 Report Share Posted February 1, 2014 Yeah, I don't think it was very good. This should be a topic where he can pretty easily speak from the heart, so it not feeling genuine is odd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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