Guest TheGreatPuma Posted February 9, 2014 Report Share Posted February 9, 2014 Ziggler and Reigns aced it this Smackdown. Ziggler's got that fire like a mentioned before and I also see fire in Reigns who I am becoming more and more of a fan of as time goes by for multiple reasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goodhelmet Posted February 9, 2014 Report Share Posted February 9, 2014 Where is that Ziggler fire going to be in the next year when he becomes Zach Ryder? Actually, he is already Zach Ryder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loss Posted February 9, 2014 Report Share Posted February 9, 2014 Dolph Ziggler has heart and that's something we all have but he has more of it which makes him super cardiovascular. No one will ever mistake Dolph Ziggler for the Tin Man. In fact, you could argue that he has every missing quality that the characters in the Wizard of Oz were chasing. He's going to ease on down, ease on down the card, but he'll demonstrate that fire the entire time, showing that anyone who gets too close may get burned. You don't want to give this likely former boy scout two sticks, because who knows what might result! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loss Posted February 9, 2014 Report Share Posted February 9, 2014 I hereby nominate this as Dolph Ziggler's new entrance music: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loss Posted February 9, 2014 Report Share Posted February 9, 2014 My non-sarcastic point is that these non-specific platitudes that don't even mean anything that Great Puma uses to describe wrestlers are getting old. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goodhelmet Posted February 9, 2014 Report Share Posted February 9, 2014 I think you are wrong. The new theme song inspired by the Wiz should be this... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qFwAqYBDr2A Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TheGreatPuma Posted February 9, 2014 Report Share Posted February 9, 2014 Ziggler's music is awesome and my fav from the current WWE roster. It needs no change but I really did enjoy that "Ease on Down the Road" song and video. It was the first time I've ever heard it. So major thanks for that. Eh, the board won't let me paste any copied words. Ziggler will be fine in what he does because of who he is even if WWE books him poorly. I would really to see him in NJPW or Japan ideally his whole career there from the ground up if we could do a time machine thing. Ryder himself is a very interesting case and topic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goodhelmet Posted February 9, 2014 Report Share Posted February 9, 2014 Just watched The SD tag on DVR and Ziggler sold the hell out of that Superman punch. In fact, I think this is the perfect role for him... Pinball bumping jobber who allows the main eventers to get their offense over on them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tim Posted February 9, 2014 Report Share Posted February 9, 2014 I know Ziggler isn't nearly as liked on here as on most of the internet but I still think the guy deserves a strong upper-midcard run, with occasional forrays into the main event and heck, maybe even a little more. His bumping is of course great but I think he's got a lot of good babyface fire offense too, I especially like his big splash into the corner into the mounted punches, awesome comeback move. Plus he's got tons of charisma and is good as a character. I definitely think it's a travesty how he's been handled since Payback. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TheGreatPuma Posted February 9, 2014 Report Share Posted February 9, 2014 Yup, right on bro. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badlittlekitten Posted February 9, 2014 Report Share Posted February 9, 2014 Ziggler is the epitome of a guy 'playing wrestler'. There's no star quality about him. Nothing stands out apart from his crap haircut and his silly bumps. I can't believe somebody praised his entrance music, which is probably the worst in the company and desperately needs to change into something less generic. I forgot about Orton's in-match promo . I wish they'd flesh out his innate goofiness more often. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricR Posted February 10, 2014 Report Share Posted February 10, 2014 I actually like Ziggler way more than most. I've been a fan of his since he started getting TV time really (loved the early Batista matches). He bumps big and that's mostly what people talk about (usually in a negative way), but I also really like his offense. I like the Zig Zag even though I usually am not a fan of "I pull your head onto the mat" moves, but he always does it with such force and snap that it works for me. I love the Fameasser because of the height he gets on it, loved the sleeper he was using for awhile, I think he has great elbow drops including his jumping one, and I think he has good standing punches. He is way better than Zach Ryder (and I really wish Ryder didn't use the legdrop lariat as I think Ziggler would make that look amazing). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mini Bennett Posted February 10, 2014 Report Share Posted February 10, 2014 Interesting seeing Ziggler scrutinised for his bumping yet Evan Bourne is almost unanimously praised for doing the exact same thing. I'm a fan of both guys btw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goc Posted February 10, 2014 Report Share Posted February 10, 2014 I agree that Ziggler/Ryder isn't a fair comparison even if I'm not a big Ziggler fan. At least there are things about Zigger that stand out and he excels at other than making youtube videos. As far as the Bourne comparison, Bourne also follows that up with really good looking offense. Not just the SSP but he does some very good looking jumping knee strikes at times and all around has very crisp offense. And he also sells really well to go along with the bumping. Ziggler's bumps feel like that's all he brings to the table sometimes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy Redman Posted February 10, 2014 Report Share Posted February 10, 2014 Dolph is the best example of the difference between bumping and selling. Not that he can't sell well, he certainly does at times, such as the Payback match in particular, but on the whole it feels like he does one but not the other. He bumps, and bumps big, but he's not really great at selling, which is really the whole point of bumping big in the first place. Bourne may not even be as good a bumper as Dolph, but he's a much better seller I think. And in general he is LIGHT YEARS better at being a babyface, which Dolph is just terrible at. The funny thing about Dolph being such a ridiculously big bumper, is that he's not even the best at it in his own company. In the last year he's been surpassed as a nutty bumper by Seth Rollins, who is another guy who also brings a lot more to the table. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheapshot Posted February 10, 2014 Report Share Posted February 10, 2014 Not that he can't sell well, he certainly does at times, such as the Payback match in particular, but on the whole it feels like he does one but not the other. The Payback sell job was phenomenal in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy Redman Posted February 10, 2014 Report Share Posted February 10, 2014 Not that he can't sell well, he certainly does at times, such as the Payback match in particular, but on the whole it feels like he does one but not the other. The Payback sell job was phenomenal in my opinion. Totally and that is a big, big exception to my general point. He was amazing at Payback. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheapshot Posted February 10, 2014 Report Share Posted February 10, 2014 Not that he can't sell well, he certainly does at times, such as the Payback match in particular, but on the whole it feels like he does one but not the other. The Payback sell job was phenomenal in my opinion. Totally and that is a big, big exception to my general point. He was amazing at Payback. I think a lot of people have soured on him over the course of the last 6 months or so, and rightly so. He has no clue about pacing, or if he does, he doesn't seem to care. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy Redman Posted February 10, 2014 Report Share Posted February 10, 2014 I feel bad for Dolph to a certain extent, because he's been absolutely slaughtered by booking like only a few guys have been, and obviously face is not his best side. But at the same time, there are a lot of guys who get booking-raped who manage to keep doing work (especially those with a reputation as a worker on the level of his). And there are a lot of guys who are better heels than faces who get by and even end up thriving as faces. Dolph flailing as a jobbed-to-hell babyface doesn't mean he wasn't good before or couldn't be good again in different circumstances. But, to go back to his "shoot promo" and the lofty pedestal some people seem to place him on as a worker, I find it hard to see the argument that he's one of the best guys in the company or whatever else when he is currently being...not great, and betraying a fairly significant lack of understanding of the most basic of babyface psychology. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dylan Waco Posted February 10, 2014 Report Share Posted February 10, 2014 I like Dolph, and have really liked him a great deal in the past (off hand I think 09/10 was my favorite period for him), but he's lost something and it's not just his push. I'm in the process of doing my WKO100 ballot now and it's crazy but he may not even make the cut even in a year where there were a lot of people who missed time, and very few guys who had bell-to-bell great runs. He has a weird way of working hard without looking like he's trying hard and that irks me even though I admit it's an odd criticism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheapshot Posted February 10, 2014 Report Share Posted February 10, 2014 I like Dolph, and have really liked him a great deal in the past (off hand I think 09/10 was my favorite period for him), but he's lost something and it's not just his push. I'm in the process of doing my WKO100 ballot now and it's crazy but he may not even make the cut even in a year where there were a lot of people who missed time, and very few guys who had bell-to-bell great runs. He has a weird way of working hard without looking like he's trying hard and that irks me even though I admit it's an odd criticism. I see the same when I watch him regarding working hard but coasting at the same time, and have thought that for a while. I agree it's a odd criticism, but one nevertheless that detracts from his overall performance. I think his time has passed now in terms of getting a renewed push, which is a shame, because I feel half of the blame needs to be placed with the writing team as they have pulled the rug from under him so many times it's scary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt D Posted February 10, 2014 Report Share Posted February 10, 2014 Frankly, I think he could work really well as a face in peril in a tag team. Most of his offense would work better for hope spots/hot tag set ups than actual damaging offense. I'm not sure who I'd want to put with him, though. Maybe Kofi long term. I bet Kofi's stuff would work better as a cleaning house hot tag? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loss Posted February 10, 2014 Report Share Posted February 10, 2014 I remember his ex saying that with Dolph, sex was too "athletic". Perhaps the same rings true for wrestling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheapshot Posted February 10, 2014 Report Share Posted February 10, 2014 Frankly, I think he could work really well as a face in peril in a tag team. Most of his offense would work better for hope spots/hot tag set ups than actual damaging offense. I'm not sure who I'd want to put with him, though. Maybe Kofi long term. I bet Kofi's stuff would work better as a cleaning house hot tag? The thing is, putting Ziggler with Kofi isn't going to help him one iota I don't feel. Kofi has been treading water for years and years. His last memorable thing outside of Rumble spots was his little feud with Orton a few years ago where he put him through a table at MSG. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt D Posted February 10, 2014 Report Share Posted February 10, 2014 I'm not sure I'm looking to "help" Dolph so much as find a role that he's effective and well used in? Being a face in peril in very good matches vs Real Americans for the tag titles feels about where he should be at. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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