goodhelmet Posted February 22, 2013 Author Report Share Posted February 22, 2013 Once Loss's schedule calms down, I am going to talk to him and Sorrow about booting up PWO Radio and we might have more of these viewing parties. This podcast is just to help me get through the set as I had no desire to watch it on my own to be honest. Feedback has been good even if it has been critical and I have had fun every single night I have done this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WingedEagle Posted February 23, 2013 Report Share Posted February 23, 2013 Awesome, any excuse to have more rasslin' talk is a good thing. I had zero interest in the AWA set and have nonetheless enjoyed some of these, even if they don't make me want to watch the set. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soup23 Posted February 24, 2013 Report Share Posted February 24, 2013 Really great two man show with the format allowing a lot of deep discussion on psychology and wrestling preferences. Between this and Burning Hammer, we have had two great podcasts discussing that this week. Matches were really boss to. 1. Nick Bockwinkel & Mr. Saito vs. High Flyers (3/7/85) - Have this at #3 overall and loved it. Fairly simply done, but done extremely well with an amazing FIP sequence. 2. Nick Bockwinkel vs. Rick Martel (3/28/85) - My second favorite match of these two and a solid top 25 contender. Finish was really clever. 3. Mr. Saito vs. Curt Hennig (3/28/85) - Really heated up in second half of the match before a kind of abrupt finish. 4. The Road Warriors vs. High Flyers (3/28/85) - Really liked the work here and the selling done by the Warriors to make the High Flyers look threatening 5. Rick Martel vs. Jimmy Garvin (3/7/85) - Good solid work and I liked the stuff with Baron in the match 6. Bob Backlund & Brad Rheingans vs. Butch Reed & Larry Zbyszko (4/21/85) - Still a good match. Backlund was a little goofy but no way will this be near the bottom of my overall list. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loss Posted February 24, 2013 Report Share Posted February 24, 2013 I would be down for a Yearbook 90 podcast. With more things included on the Yearbook comps that are strictly for comedic value, I have to imagine that would play well in a group watching setting where people can shit all over it. I definitely want to do a 1990 Yearbook podcast, but I'm not sure I want to do a watching party. The main reason is that the more low-key, mat-based matches aren't going to get the recognition they deserve, because everyone will feel like they have to talk the entire time. So the match itself becomes secondary to talking about it. I also like listening to commentary and the crowd, even when the commentary is in another language. I don't know that I can divide my attention that successfully. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerryvonKramer Posted April 3, 2013 Report Share Posted April 3, 2013 Time to do some more AWA for me. I do wonder if I'm the slowest of any of the people watching who will actually hand a ballot in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerryvonKramer Posted April 3, 2013 Report Share Posted April 3, 2013 We also talked about blood on the recent Halloween Havoc 89 show after TBS banned it. Was interesting to hear two people from different sides of that argument. I think in general I am pro blood, but anti-biting cuts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerryvonKramer Posted April 3, 2013 Report Share Posted April 3, 2013 Have to disagree with Will about Garvin. I've just written this over on DVDR: "From what I've seen in Crockett, Garvin was good around 86-87, espcially in that cage match vs. Flair. Actively bad by 89-90." At least on the supercards, Garvin was solid as a face whether on his own or teaming with Ronnie Garvin. And, so far, hasn't been as good teaming with Hayes. Is it possibly that Garvin was someone who was able to bring his A-game to PPV events and Clashes but dogged it in nothing TV matches? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeteF3 Posted April 4, 2013 Report Share Posted April 4, 2013 Garvin was really good in World Class as well, pre-Crockett. I don't think it's dogging it as much as he just fell off a cliff or stopped caring. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shoe Posted April 4, 2013 Report Share Posted April 4, 2013 Have to disagree with Will about Garvin. I've just written this over on DVDR: "From what I've seen in Crockett, Garvin was good around 86-87, espcially in that cage match vs. Flair. Actively bad by 89-90." At least on the supercards, Garvin was solid as a face whether on his own or teaming with Ronnie Garvin. And, so far, hasn't been as good teaming with Hayes. Is it possibly that Garvin was someone who was able to bring his A-game to PPV events and Clashes but dogged it in nothing TV matches? I haven't watched the bash cage with Jimmy Garvin in years. I''ll revisit it soon. Years ago I thought the television was great, but the match itself was one of Flair's worst big matches ever. Let's see if time has lessened that opinion. JVK you are one of the only ones that I can remember pimping it as some classic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerryvonKramer Posted April 4, 2013 Report Share Posted April 4, 2013 Not sure I'd go as far as saying it's a classic, but it tells a very compelling story. Garvin kicks Flair's ass for 15 minutes, then blows his knee out and does one of the most effective selling jobs on it I've ever seen. Flair switches into psycho mode and goes after the leg like an assassin. We're doing a best of 80s awards show in a few weeks, that's one "sleeper" pick I can see me putting quite high, as in top 20, the other one being the Gilbert/Simmons vs. Fantastics tag. Both of those are in the ****1/4 range for me. I think Chad like that Garvin match too though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soup23 Posted April 4, 2013 Report Share Posted April 4, 2013 I think the Garvin cage match is really good bordering on great. Probably 3.75 stars from me. The beginning meanders but when Garvin starts selling the leg and Flair goes nuts, it is pretty awesome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cross Face Chicken Wing Posted April 4, 2013 Report Share Posted April 4, 2013 I think in general I am pro blood, but anti-biting cuts. Agree on this. Biting the cut is more silly and stupid than brutal and cool. I can see a man biting another man's cut in a fight to the death, but not in a wrestling match that is being sold as a competitive sport (at least on some level. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WingedEagle Posted April 4, 2013 Report Share Posted April 4, 2013 Its stupid. But also brutal and cool. And should not be permitted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt D Posted April 4, 2013 Report Share Posted April 4, 2013 I think in general I am pro blood, but anti-biting cuts. Agree on this. Biting the cut is more silly and stupid than brutal and cool. I can see a man biting another man's cut in a fight to the death, but not in a wrestling match that is being sold as a competitive sport (at least on some level. What about in a no dq/no holds barred/lights out/cage match etc. There's a reason why the belts are so often not on the line in AWA cage matches. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frankensteiner Posted April 4, 2013 Report Share Posted April 4, 2013 The Garvin match is a little forgettable for me, and I think it was a fairly strong feud if you watch the PWUSA stuff setting it up. To me, the biggest takeaway was that Garvin should have jumped to Vince instead. He would have fit right into the Rock'n'Wrestling era. I thought the whole feud was a little strange. In the first couple of matches Martel is out for revenge after the angle on TV. Then the blow-off is a light-hearted match heavy on comedy. Strange way to wrap it all up like that given how the feud started. I've seen the 3 Winnipeg matches, the PWUSA match/angle, and a match from St. Paul but perhaps I'm missing a key point in the feud which bridges everything together. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cross Face Chicken Wing Posted April 4, 2013 Report Share Posted April 4, 2013 I think in general I am pro blood, but anti-biting cuts. Agree on this. Biting the cut is more silly and stupid than brutal and cool. I can see a man biting another man's cut in a fight to the death, but not in a wrestling match that is being sold as a competitive sport (at least on some level. What about in a no dq/no holds barred/lights out/cage match etc. There's a reason why the belts are so often not on the line in AWA cage matches. Still dumb. And unrealistic. These are pro wrestlers, not zombies or vampries. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Sorrow Posted April 4, 2013 Report Share Posted April 4, 2013 It's not like they're hungry. They're angry, mad, and brutal. In the strange world of this"sport", it's something people do. To say biting a cut is unrealistic while guys are doing fucking Irish whips and criss cross spots is just picking and choosing what "unrealistic" shit you like and don't like. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cross Face Chicken Wing Posted April 4, 2013 Report Share Posted April 4, 2013 Pretty much everything is justifiable as realistic in a wrestling/entertainment sense with a little imagination. An Irish whip is the equivalent of throwing someone into a wall. Criss-cross is the equivalent of chasing someone. I could go on and on..... Munching on someone else's open wound cannot be related to anything besides a literal fight to the death or a zombie attack, which wrestling does not portray itself as (at least in my view). It's silly. Why give yourself hepatitis when you can just punch/kick/stab/gouge/headbutt/elbow/whatever to the wound and do a lot more damage than biting it? It also looks a lot more gay than it does brutal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerryvonKramer Posted June 28, 2013 Report Share Posted June 28, 2013 For some reason I stopped right in the middle of this show, I think I had to go out for something, and then AWA took a long haitus in JvK's life. Well tonight it's back with vengeance. Picture the scene, I've got several bottles of the finest English ale here and two big bags of maize-based snacks with a tub of Nacho cheese sauce. I've got an iPod loaded up with Will and Johnny Sorrow and the rest of disc 4 and then disc 5 ready to go. AWA 1985 is going to fucking take it tonight! I'll leave match comments on DVDR and pod-based comments here. Set me a deadline Harrington, I'm going to do this shit! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerryvonKramer Posted June 28, 2013 Report Share Posted June 28, 2013 I like the Will wants blood and violence vs. Matt D structure point being discussed again. In recent times, I think I've shifted more towards taking intensity over logic. I also want to see a story play out, but it's my point with Flair again and again, stories can be organic and messy, they don't have to be structured and logical. Also, watching Bock strut across the ring during this king of the mountain spot like the cockinest mutha fucker in the world, I think character is of the utmost importance to me too. Intensity, character, story. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mookeighana Posted July 1, 2013 Report Share Posted July 1, 2013 Set me a deadline Harrington, I'm going to do this shit! I don't set the deadlines, I just agree to tally the results once they're set! That's goodhelmet, DEAN and the rest of them territory. Alas, I cannot help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goodhelmet Posted July 1, 2013 Author Report Share Posted July 1, 2013 I will set a deadline once we finalize the list of lucha matches that will appear on the lucha set. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham Crackers Posted July 2, 2013 Report Share Posted July 2, 2013 I will set a deadline once we finalize the list of lucha matches that will appear on the lucha set.YES! What are the odds I will have this in my hands by the end of August? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goodhelmet Posted July 2, 2013 Author Report Share Posted July 2, 2013 Not likely but possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smack2k Posted July 12, 2013 Report Share Posted July 12, 2013 OK....GREAT show from my second favorite era of AWA...BUT.. How do you mention Ted Knight and not bring up Too Close For Comfort....especially with his daughters on there.....giving young Smack his early "rise"! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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