jdw Posted August 27, 2013 Report Share Posted August 27, 2013 Note: I don't think there's anything outrageous about the performance, and certain ain't offended by it. Just think that both in the video and on stage last night, she just comes across as a dumb teen. I certainly look back at my dumb teen period and drop my jaw at some of the stupidity, shake my head at some of it, felt guilty about a chunk of it, etc. Don't know if Miley will ever grow up enough to get to that point. Anyone else read this and get a weird visual of JDW doing a vulgar dance to Slow Ride as a teen? Nah. I was more the type to sit on the couch watching a movie or TV, drinking beer and pulling bongloads all night with the girlfriend and/or friends. Going to a club and dirty dancing took too much energy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricky Jackson Posted August 28, 2013 Report Share Posted August 28, 2013 I still don't know what "twerking" is. And please, John or whoever, no links or pictures to englighten me. I actually like being old and ignorant of stupid kid stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdw Posted August 28, 2013 Report Share Posted August 28, 2013 The google is your friend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WingedEagle Posted August 28, 2013 Report Share Posted August 28, 2013 I don't get the uproar. Haven't Britney & others been pulling their own version of this nonsense for almost 15 years now? The kiss with Madonna at the VMA's, the Justin/Janet super bowl, Aguilera's Dirrty video, Paris Hilton / Kardashian sex tapes, etc. What's so special about Miley today? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Death From Above Posted August 28, 2013 Report Share Posted August 28, 2013 People are offended because they don't think she is as pretty, basically, and I guess that makes it wrong. I really wish the answer wasn't that shallow, but I fear that it probably is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loss Posted August 28, 2013 Author Report Share Posted August 28, 2013 Yes, I think it's also an interesting piece of sexism that Robin Thicke isn't sharing in the criticism over the anal sex pantomime. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soup23 Posted August 28, 2013 Report Share Posted August 28, 2013 Not only that but our lunch table involved multiple women criticizing Miley while fantasizing that they were the ones twerking on Thicke. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Ridge Posted August 30, 2013 Report Share Posted August 30, 2013 People are offended because they don't think she is as pretty, basically, and I guess that makes it wrong. I really wish the answer wasn't that shallow, but I fear that it probably is. This is how I feel. As bad as it is, If she was hotter I would probably not have had such an issue. I'm so against the idea that she is attractive. Maxim, you suck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrickHithouse Posted August 31, 2013 Report Share Posted August 31, 2013 She's kind of like the Dynamic Dudes - pretending to be something she's not so it comes off as unnatural and people pick up on that. She needs a totally new character and push. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfman Posted August 31, 2013 Report Share Posted August 31, 2013 Honestly, has there ever been a real life situation where The Shield needed to come in and whoop somebody's butt? Not that I condone violence on women but it would have been great to see her (and Robin Thicke) get the Roman Reigns' powerbomb. That's something I would pay to watch! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smack2k Posted September 2, 2013 Report Share Posted September 2, 2013 Dude, If I win the lottery this week, that is teh FIRST thing I am doing...finding people to dress up like the Shield and powerbomb that "thing" back to reality...shit, she cant look any worse anyway right? Horse look at her and say "Damn, that's some big ass teeth.." AWWW...Daddy didnt love me enough...blah blah blah, Shut up.....my wife had it WAY harder and wasnt rich during it all, and had actual bad things happen, she wasnt out there BEGGING for attention for years and years after... I cant wait till she falls off and doenst know what to do... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdw Posted October 7, 2013 Report Share Posted October 7, 2013 Given her current mode of tossing things our, I was thinking about this thread, and Loss' classic Madonna piece. Which led me to wonder what the over/under is before Miley has her Erotica (album released 10/20/92), Sex (book released 10/21/92) and Body of Evidence (movie released 01/15/93) multimedia trilogy? Books are pretty much old media, but Miley probably could move a ton of them like Madge did... or look for a more modern equiv of books to move or do it free which is as modern as you can get. Body of Evidence is also a bit old media given the era of sex tapes... which are themselves old at this point. Going for a modern on that beyond a intentionally "accidentally" released tape... not sure what that would be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loss Posted October 7, 2013 Author Report Share Posted October 7, 2013 All I know is that the SNL parody made me respect her a little. It showed that she's clearly in on her own joke. She has no false ideas about who she is and has no problems making fun of herself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdw Posted October 8, 2013 Report Share Posted October 8, 2013 Wouldn't disagree with that. In turn, Madge by 1992/93 knew exactly who and where she was. She'd kind of been down the road of pop idol to pretty much an icon before those projects, with all the circus that Miley has. She didn't play any of it for laughs at her own expense, but not sure if she had to. If there was a joke, like popped up after "Vogue", she could point to #1 hit and Dick Tracy, etc. If Miley's career when she's 40 and it's what Madge's was through 40, and she's as in control of her life... more power to her and she'll warrant some kudos. Madonna was a bit older when fame hit her: 25/26 compared to 14. Not sure if age always matters, since plenty of 26 year olds (and older) have lost their head to fame. John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KrisZ Posted October 8, 2013 Report Share Posted October 8, 2013 The thing about Madonna was she kept reinventing herself every couple of years and stayed relevant. Miley doesn't have Madonna's talent or business sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Staples Posted October 8, 2013 Report Share Posted October 8, 2013 All I know is that the SNL parody made me respect her a little. It showed that she's clearly in on her own joke. She has no false ideas about who she is and has no problems making fun of herself. Really? SNL had folks like Lohan and Spears who poked fun at their own (at the time) current tribulations. Didn't do much to stall their downward spirals. She's not on one yet obviously, but the few bits I read here and there she seems to be on the path to it. If this were pertinent at all to my life, lampshading your character flaws and continuing to do all the stuff that makes you a joke afterwards, it sure wouldn't make me respect you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cox Posted October 8, 2013 Report Share Posted October 8, 2013 Say what you will about Miley, but the "We Did Stop" sketch from SNL was amazing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdw Posted October 8, 2013 Report Share Posted October 8, 2013 The thing about Madonna was she kept reinventing herself every couple of years and stayed relevant. Miley doesn't have Madonna's talent or business sense. Wouldn't disagree with that at all. And simply reinventing your self doesn't = sustained success. For everyone like Madonna or The Beatles that have, lots of others flopped or faded. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KrisZ Posted October 8, 2013 Report Share Posted October 8, 2013 There is a pantheon of people that have reinvented themselves to stay relevant and successful Madonna U2 Sting David Bowie Those artists also are among the most talented ever in their craft. Miley was a creation to begin with and like other creations she will fade out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerryvonKramer Posted October 8, 2013 Report Share Posted October 8, 2013 There is a pantheon of people that have reinvented themselves to stay relevant and successful Madonna U2 Sting David Bowie Those artists also are among the most talented ever in their craft. Miley was a creation to begin with and like other creations she will fade out. Just some pre-article hype for my forthcoming (very long, 12,000-word) guide to all of Bob Dylan's albums, but I think you could add Bobby D to the list Kris. Early 60s folkster protest Bob and mid-60s hipster poet Bob and New Morning-era farm-living family-loving Country Bob, and 70s Troubadour Rolling Thunder Bob and Christian Bob and horrible mid-80s coked-out Bob and awesome croaky "wily veteran" Bob are all different beasts. I think because he's so organic and raw, we don't think of Dylan consciously reinventing himself, but if you look at it, he has. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrickHithouse Posted October 8, 2013 Report Share Posted October 8, 2013 Sepultura evolved from a Thrash/Death Metal outfit to....whatever that is they became around 1996. Metallica's infamous switch from thrash to...whatever that Load stuff was. All I have are metal references. I should probably stay out of the convo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdw Posted October 8, 2013 Report Share Posted October 8, 2013 Beatles went through massive changes in a short period: 1962-69. Pop-rock music was changing throughout that period, though they were part of the force changing it. U2 strikes me as four phases, with the fourth being largely as refinement of the prior two: * Boy --> War * UF & Joshua Tree & Rattle and Hum * Achtung Baby --> Pop * since then I don't really think the last three albums really are a reinvention, but rather taking elements of the prior two periods, maybe toning down the electro on some level. But if you look at the last three albums, it's not like "One", "Mysterious Ways" or even "Even Better Than The Real Thing" wouldn't fit onto those albums. Maybe they would do them slightly different instrumentally... but they're not raidcally different. I get that they dropped going off in the "Lemon" direction, but their present feels more like the past rather than them suddenly becoming a heavy metal band or going off into doing a Rod Stewart style Big Band album. Bowie and Madonna seem to be on a different level than most anyone else. Neil Young is one who musically changed all over the place over the years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Boricua Posted October 9, 2013 Report Share Posted October 9, 2013 Neil Young is one who musically changed all over the place over the years. And got sued for that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bix Posted October 9, 2013 Report Share Posted October 9, 2013 I wouldn't necessarily lump Pop in with Achtung Baby/Zooropa in with Pop. The ZooTV tour has the meta/parody/self-referential aspects of Pop, but not necessarily the albums. Style/production wise? Maybe, but I think Pop is kind of its own thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdw Posted October 9, 2013 Report Share Posted October 9, 2013 I don't know. I feel songs like "Discotheque", "Mofo" and "Last Night on Earth" are extensions of the direction of Achtung Baby. "Please" is a song they could have recorded in several eras, but they way the recorded it fits into the AB era. "Staring at the Sun" is a bit like "One" where it could fit into different eras with that recording. That why I say that the last three albums aren't really a big new reinvention, but kind of focusing on the things that "worked" in the earlier eras. They could easily record "Mysterious Ways" today if it were a new song, probably slightly different instrumentation and it would fit in with the recent albums. I don't think it would be as good as what they were up to at the time fit the song well... where as "One" could be recorded in pretty much era with their playing style of the time and get nailed because it's such a simple song. Well, maybe Boy/October era would be quirky and interesting, but by War they would have figured it out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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