JerryvonKramer Posted November 19, 2014 Report Share Posted November 19, 2014 http://placetobenation.com/pwo-ptbn-roundtable-wwe-coms-top-50-heels-in-wrestling-history-part-3/ Inspired by the Squared Circle Gazette Radio's recent show on the same topic, Parv (Titans of Wrestling, Where the Big Boys Play), Will (Good Will Wrestling, Wrestling with the Past), Johnny (Titans of Wrestling), and Steven Graham (Pro Wrestling Super Show) converge for this epic one-off roundtable to provide an alternative take on WWE.com's Top 50 Heels in Wrestling History. In this third part, they run through guys who didn't make the WWE's list who would have made theirs.Our lists: Parv’s Top 50*1. Bobby Heenan2. Vince McMahon3. Michael Hayes4. Ted DiBiase5. Jim Cornette6. Lou Albano7. William Regal8. The Sheik9. Ole Anderson10. Arn Anderson11. Nick Bockwinkel12. Terry Funk13. The Assassin14. Jerry Lawler15. Jimmy Hart16. Rick Rude17. Tully Blanchard18. Dick Murdoch19. Jake Roberts20. Ernie Ladd21. Fred Blassie22. Abdullah the Butcher23. Hogan24. Sgt Slaughter25. Larry Zbyszko26. Ivan Koloff27. Jesse Ventura28. The Grand Wizard29. Roddy Piper30. Paul E. Dangerously31. Vader32. Pat Patterson33. Buddy Rose34. Honky Tonk Man35. Adrian Street36. Ken Patera37. Mick Foley38. Andre39. Buddy Rodgers40. CM Punk41. Sensational Sherri42. Iron Sheik43. Kurt Angle44. Mr Perfect45. Lex Luger46. Buzz Sawyer47. Randy Savage48. JJ Dillon49. Greg Valentine50. Adrian Adonis*NB. This list is very much changed from the list that is read out during the show. Some guys have changed position after further consideration, and the two guys I picked almost entirely to “troll” the other panel members – IRS and Baron Scicluna – are dropped.Steven’s Top 101. Bobby Heenan2. Terry Funk3. Vince McMahon4. Jimmy Hart5. Nick Bockwinkel6. William Regal7. Hollywood Hogan8. Larry Zbyszko9. Rick Rude10. Jim CornetteWill’s Top 101. Jimmy Hart2. Buddy Rose3. William Regal4. Tully Blanchard5. Jim Cornette6. Bobby Heenan7. Michael Hayes8. Arn Anderson9. Nick Bockwinkel10. Ted DiBiaseJohnny’s Top 21. Roddy Piper2. Jimmy Hart Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Sorrow Posted November 19, 2014 Report Share Posted November 19, 2014 You know who was a great mechanical heel? Yul Brynner in Westworld. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimmas Posted November 19, 2014 Report Share Posted November 19, 2014 An epic conclusion of hours and hours of talk! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soup23 Posted November 19, 2014 Report Share Posted November 19, 2014 My favorite installment yet guys. A lot of impassioned arguments. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dawho5 Posted November 22, 2014 Report Share Posted November 22, 2014 Great stuff again, but that's no surprise. I'm starting to think the reason Steven has his own podcast is so he can actually talk for more then thirty seconds at a time. Although I may have popped if Steven had cut off Will. Not that Will isn't making good points, just the fan of fiery babyfaces in me talking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpchicago23 Posted November 22, 2014 Report Share Posted November 22, 2014 The question of whether you take a run or total body of work is very interesting. I'm a pretty big fan of Bret and if asked what I consider him I'd definitely say babyface. With that said his 97 heel run is my favorite time period from him and I thought it was played off very well. He was hated in a time where people were liking bad guys. I guess if put shorter runs into the equation would Brets 97 be enough? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerryvonKramer Posted November 22, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 22, 2014 I'm starting to think the reason Steven has his own podcast is so he can actually talk for more then thirty seconds at a time. Although I may have popped if Steven had cut off Will. Not that Will isn't making good points, just the fan of fiery babyfaces in me talking. It was like Ricky Morton trying to get in offense against Bruiser Brody and Ole Anderson. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerryvonKramer Posted November 22, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 22, 2014 I'd also like to see other people's top 10 heels. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goodhelmet Posted November 22, 2014 Report Share Posted November 22, 2014 I'm starting to think the reason Steven has his own podcast is so he can actually talk for more then thirty seconds at a time. Although I may have popped if Steven had cut off Will. Not that Will isn't making good points, just the fan of fiery babyfaces in me talking. It was like Ricky Morton trying to get in offense against Bruiser Brody and Ole Anderson. If Ricky Morton was Canadian and couldn't cut a promo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Word Hoard Posted November 22, 2014 Report Share Posted November 22, 2014 I'd also like to see other people's top 10 heels. 1. Bobby Heenan 2. Jim Cornette 3. Honkytonk Man 4. Ivan Koloff 5. Nick Bockwinkel 6. Roddy Piper 7. Tully Blanchard 8. Vince McMahon 9. Jimmy Hart 10. Larry Zbyszko Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimmas Posted November 22, 2014 Report Share Posted November 22, 2014 I'm starting to think the reason Steven has his own podcast is so he can actually talk for more then thirty seconds at a time. Although I may have popped if Steven had cut off Will. Not that Will isn't making good points, just the fan of fiery babyfaces in me talking. It was like Ricky Morton trying to get in offense against Bruiser Brody and Ole Anderson. If Ricky Morton was Canadian and couldn't cut a promo. Rick Martel? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebrainfollower Posted November 23, 2014 Report Share Posted November 23, 2014 1. Bobby Heenan 2. Vince McMahon 3. Jim Cornette 4. Roddy Piper 5. Ric Flair 6. Hollywood Hogan 7. Nick Bockwinkel 8. Jimmy Hart 9. Lou Albano 10. Ted Dibiase Would HHH be an honorable mention? He was such a good heel he got me and millions of others to just stop watching modern WWE.. He's therefore the worst heel ever, but he's darn good at it. The fact that Trish Stratus in 2004 was miles ahead of him in heel talent, though a positive for her, is proof just how damaging this goof was. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebrainfollower Posted November 23, 2014 Report Share Posted November 23, 2014 Also Parv, just take Kurt off your list and it becomes a more appropriate top heels 1975-2000. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerryvonKramer Posted November 23, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 23, 2014 I don't believe there are that many great heels beyond 2000 anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebrainfollower Posted November 23, 2014 Report Share Posted November 23, 2014 Well there's tons of people who want me to turn off the TV. Does that count? Lana and Rusev are about the only new heels now I really enjoy. Mark Henry was a great bully/monster heel, the closest WWE came to doing Vader right and Paul Heyman is still a great heel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerryvonKramer Posted November 23, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 23, 2014 No, "turn off the TV" heat doesn't count. Also, I wanted to note, as I said on the show, that Angle is in for 99-00 run almost exclusively for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebrainfollower Posted November 23, 2014 Report Share Posted November 23, 2014 Listening to the Heenan vs. Hart debate I feel Will and Johnny sort of won on points despite the fact that I think factually they are just dead wrong. I sat through about 200 plus hours of 1980-1984 Memphis TV recently and watched Jimmy intently. And the one thing he can't do is be a genuine threat or menacing. He's an annoying pain you want to punch in the face and a brilliant strategist but he just isn't as multi-faceted as Bobby Heenan. Watch Bobby's post WM VI promo when Andre turns on him. In a flash he turns into one legit scary MF who you believe isn't above having someone gun Andre down in an alley just to make sure nobody leaves the family or else. Bobby spent 12 years (except for a year in Georgia) being THE heel manager in the AWA before even coming to WWF. Granted the footage isn't as much as Jimmy but from everything I've seen, and I've seen a LOT of Heenan (hence the name) he was an even better heel than in the WWF. I feel like Will and Johnny basically ignored all of Heenan's near 20 years prior to the WWF while making most of their case for Jimmy based on HIS pre WWF run. That's just a poor and unfair debate at best. Jimmy Hart was a great manager and an amazing foil. He led an entire small promotion's heel side for about 5 years, then became a good #2 manager in the biggest wrestling promotion in the world. His WCW run...eh. Bobby Heenan did the exact same thing Hart did in the WWA, we just don't have the footage to see all of it. I've collected every scrap of footage and info from that era I could though and that was peak Heenan. He then went to the AWA and became the top manager for one of the greatest heels ever and possibly the best wrestler-manager combo of all time. He then moved to the WWF and HE was chosen to be the top manager, not Jimmy Hart. For a very good reason. Hart coming out with Andre, bleh. Hart being the third member of the Flair-Hennig group, not a chance in hell. Hart as Gorilla's partner for all those years on Prime Time heeling it up no way and Hart was a TERRIBLE commentator. For a very good reason. For Bobby Heenan remains, not just the greatest heel in wrestling history, which he undoubtedly is, but the greatest entertainer in the history of pro wrestling. And just remember if you leave the Family, you're never heard from again. Humanoids. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillThompson Posted November 23, 2014 Report Share Posted November 23, 2014 I recently started posting at another board, and it's interesting to hear their takes on some of this stuff. Not the podcast itself mind you, but top heels and such. For instance I just came from a Triple H topic where every poster but me proclaimed the guy either the best heel of all time or one of the best. It's just a difference of opinion, but it's interesting to note nonetheless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loss Posted November 23, 2014 Report Share Posted November 23, 2014 Did people boo Mark Henry pretty actively during that run? I wasn't watching, so I'm just asking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpchicago23 Posted November 23, 2014 Report Share Posted November 23, 2014 I think a guy like Jericho was a great heel in his 08 form. Another heel that never gets mentioned and he's not a top 50 guy per se but Stevie Richards in his RTC for was a heat magnet thick in the attitude era Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goodhelmet Posted November 23, 2014 Report Share Posted November 23, 2014 He was but I never cared for the character or the stable. It felt more like Vince forcing us to watch his rivalry with the PRC which isn't anything anybody wanted to see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpchicago23 Posted November 23, 2014 Report Share Posted November 23, 2014 I actually think that's part of the charm to it. The music alone pissed people off and the godfather to the goodfather was simple but such a great gimmick change Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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