Grimmas Posted May 21, 2015 Report Share Posted May 21, 2015 Discuss here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt D Posted May 21, 2015 Report Share Posted May 21, 2015 If only we could vote just on his chemistry with Gorilla Monsoon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goc Posted May 21, 2015 Report Share Posted May 21, 2015 He might be #1 on my list of guys who can work in good spots based around shopping carts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goodhelmet Posted May 22, 2015 Report Share Posted May 22, 2015 No shot. I don't know if he would make a Top 100 list for my WCW wrestlers list or even Top 50 ECW wrestlers list. No MOTYCs. No consistency. Reliance on garbage without being a great garbage wrestler. Plenty of time to deliver in the ring without really delivering. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coffey Posted May 22, 2015 Report Share Posted May 22, 2015 Good promo, great character, good mind for the business... bad in the ring. Even his pre-Raven stuff where he wasn't doing the garbage spots was the shits. I can listen to him talk all day though. And I'm a big fan of his. In fact, in high school, he was probably my favorite wrestler. He's a big reason why I sought out ECW too because my first exposure to him was in WCW. If he made my list it'd be at the tail end of it & it would be a sentimental pick. I just don't think the body of work is there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El-P Posted May 22, 2015 Report Share Posted May 22, 2015 The Raven Dog & Pony show made me eat nearfalls more than 10 years after the fact when I went through ECW TV & house shows. Not to mention some really good WCW stuff against Goldberg, DDP, Benoit and the terrific Saturn match which made a dead crowd at the beginning go crazy at the end. Love the character, and the guy can be funny as hell. One of my all-time favourite wrestler. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goodhelmet Posted May 22, 2015 Report Share Posted May 22, 2015 Different strokes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shoe Posted May 29, 2015 Report Share Posted May 29, 2015 No way. No consistency as a wrestler. His highs in my eyes were never as big as his advocates thought. One of my least favorite wrestlers ever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timbo Slice Posted May 29, 2015 Report Share Posted May 29, 2015 I think he was so smart that he got dumb in the business to an extent. Just really tried to overplay everything. Should have kept it simpler. Doesn't hold up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dedhemingway Posted May 30, 2015 Report Share Posted May 30, 2015 Going back and watching Hardcore TV on The Network, mostly for the first time, and Raven is one of the guys who just doesn't live up to the hype for me at all. It's hard to put myself in the mindset to hear those promos in the moment they were cut, so they tend to come off as very cringe-worthy to me. As far as the matches go, he's carried by his dog and pony show, mostly Stevie, and to a lesser extend, for me, by the fact that Tommy Dreamer still works. In the end, Raven just...doesn't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El-P Posted November 3, 2015 Report Share Posted November 3, 2015 It's funny when people talk about Stevie being terrific, since Raven was the one putting all that shit together. But anyway. I'd have him as my #100. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetlag Posted November 3, 2015 Report Share Posted November 3, 2015 What are his Top 5 matches? I've only seen him vs. Goldberg and two vs. Benoit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.S. Posted November 3, 2015 Report Share Posted November 3, 2015 Never saw the appeal. He couldn't even convincingly portray his Raven character IMO. I actually preferred him as Scotty Anthony/Flamingo and Johnny Polo. But credit to him, I guess, for carving out an entirely different niche for himself and getting the fans to go along with Raven. To be fair, there were some fun moments there. But I was never a fan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El McKell Posted November 3, 2015 Report Share Posted November 3, 2015 What are his Top 5 matches? I've only seen him vs. Goldberg and two vs. Benoit. Not a Raven fan but if I was to recommend a couple matches i'd say Raven & Perry Saturn vs Chris Benoit & Dean Malenko from Spring Stampede '99, this CM Punk match (my personal favourite Raven match) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bf_WeCDOVxY and I suppose the double dog collar match w/Stevie Richards vs The Pitbulls that some people really like. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingus Posted November 3, 2015 Report Share Posted November 3, 2015 Also vs Rhino at Backlash 2001. I still like the Dreamer matches in ECW, but those all run together in my mind and it's hard to pick out the best ones (although my instinctive guess would be the tag with Funk and Foley, just cuz those guys make everything better). I'm told he did some fine work on Heat around 2002 or so, but never saw it myself. And I'm sure he did some good stuff when he first showed up in TNA all motivated, but I haven't seen those shows in so long that I dunno how they hold up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GOTNW Posted November 3, 2015 Report Share Posted November 3, 2015 The TNA Ladder match vs. AJ Styles is one of Raven's best. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El McKell Posted February 2, 2023 Report Share Posted February 2, 2023 His character probably seemed cool in the 90s but is pretty cringy in retrospect. I literally have no idea what he is good at in the ring. I think the highlight of his career might be some of the funny stuff as Johnny Polo. What I watched for this so far and my match ratings Raven & Stevie Richards vs Pitbulls (16/09/95) **½ Raven vs Tommy Dreamer (07/06/97) **¾ Diamond Dallas Page vs Raven vs Chris Benoit (15/03/98) **½ Raven vs Diamond Dallas Page (19/04/98) **½ Raven vs CM Punk (19/07/03) ***¼ Raven vs AJ Styles (27/08/03) *** Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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