elliott Posted January 16, 2016 Report Share Posted January 16, 2016 We've had a bunch of activity with people making top 100 matches lists and I figured fuck it, lets start a thread. So in honor of Tim, I decided to start the "So So Good" Top 100 Matches of All Time thread. So if you've got a top 100 matches list, share it! If you don't, make one! Lists are fun! I've been playing around for a few days and was making changes up until 15 seconds ago. There are a ton of things I'd like to rewatch to make sure I get the correct dates. There are definitely some Buddy Rose, Fujiwara, Fabulous Ones, etc matches I'm sure would make a top 100 for me but I need to rewatch to be sure I get the right Fujiwara/Super Tiger for example. But in the meantime... Reveal hidden contents 100. The Rock vs Hulk Hogan WrestleMania 3/17/02 99. Alexander Otsuka vs Mitsuhiro Matsunaga 11/9/99 98. Bret Hart, Owen Hart, Davey Boy Smith, Jim Neidhart, Brian Pillman vs Steve Austin, The Road Warriors, Ken Shamrock & Goldust. Canadian Stampede 7/6/97 97. Kerry von Erich vs Michael Hayes “Loser Leaves Town” Cage Match 11/24/83 96. Jushin Liger vs El Samurai 4/30/92 95. Terry Funk & Dory Funk Jr vs Jimmy Snuka & Bruiser Brody 12/31/81 94. Rock n Roll Express vs Midnight Express. WrestleWar 2/25/90 93. Mad Dog Vachon & Baron von Raschke vs Sheik Adnan Kaissey & Crusher Blackwell “Taped Fist Match” 3/13/83 92. Eddy Guerrero vs JBL (Bloodbath Match) Judgment Day 5/16/05 91. Steve Austin vs Dude Love “No DQ Falls Count Anywhere” Over the Edge 5/31/98 90. Randy Savage vs Ultimate Warrior “Retirement Match” WrestleMainia VII 3/24/91 89. Atsushi Onita vs Terry Funk “Barbed Wire Exploding Ring Death Match” 5/5/93 88. The Fabulous Freebirds vs. The Von Erichs 7/4/83 87. Jumbo Tsuruta & Yoshiaki Yatsu vs Genichiro Tenryu & Stan Hansen 12/6/89 86. El Hijo del Santo vs La Parka Monterrey 12/23/01 85. Genichiro Tenryu vs Shinya Hashimoto 2/17/94 84. Bret Hart vs Steve Austin Survivor Series 11/17/96 83. The Destroyer vs Mil Mascaras 7/25/74 82. Mocho Cota vs Americo Rocco 1/27/84 81. Toshiaki Kawada vs Steve Williams 4/16/94 80. Shinya Hashimoto vs Masa Chono G1 Climax 8/9/91 79. Eddy Guerrero vs Rey Mysterio Jr “Title vs Mask” Halloween Havoc 10/26/97 78. Jushin Liger vs Shinjiro Ohtani 2/9/97 77. The Shield vs The Wyatt Family. Elimination Chamber 2/23/14 76. Keiji Muto vs Masa Chono G1 Climax 8/11/91 75. Ricky Steamboat vs Rick Rude “30 Minute Iron Man Match” Beach Blast 6/20/92 74. Wahoo McDaniel vs Nick Bockwinkel 8/28/83 73. John Cena vs Umaga “Last Man Standing” Royal Rumble 1/28/07 72. Sangre Chicana vs El Satanico 5/26/89 71. Jerry Lawler vs Terry Funk “No DQ” 3/23/81 70. Ric Flair vs Terry Funk “I Quit” Clash of the Champions 69. John Cena vs CM Punk Money in the Bank 7/17/11 68. LA Park vs Dr Wagner Jr TXT 5/11/13 67. Shinya Hashimoto vs Keiji Mutoh 8/15/95 66. Arn Anderson & Larry Zbyszko vs Ricky Steamboat & Dustin Rhodes Clash of the Champions XVII 11/19/91 65. Genichiro Tenryu & Toshiaki Kawada vs Stan Hansen & Terry Gordy 12/16/88 64. Ricky Steamboat vs Randy Savage WrestleMania III 3/29/87 63. Ric Flair vs Kerry Von Erich “2/3 Falls” 8/15/82 62. Mitsuharu Misawa vs Akira Taue 4/15/95 61. Giant Baba vs Billy Robinson 7/24/76 60. Jerry Lawler vs Bam Bam Bigelow “Texas Death Match” 9/7/86 59. Yoshiaki Fujiwara vs Kazuo Yamazaki 7/24/89 58. El Satanico, Averno & Mephisto vs Tarzan Boy, Ultimo Guerrero, Rey Bucanero & Mascara Magica “Infierno en el Ring” 9/28/01 57. Ric Flair vs Ricky Steamboat Chi Town Rumble 2/20/89 56. El Hijo del Santo & Octagon vs Art Barr & Eddy Guerrero “Double Masks vs Double Hair” When World’s Collide 11/6/94 55. Kiyoshi Tamura vs Yoshihisa Yamamoto 6/24/99 54. Mitsuharu Misawa & Kenta Kobashi vs Toshiaki Kawada & Akira Taue 12/3/93 53. Pirata Morgan vs El Dandy “Hair vs Hair” 9/23/88 52. William Regal vs Kassius Ohno NXT 4/10/13 51. Jushin Liger vs Naoki Sano 1/31/90 50. Gran Hamada, Super Delphin, Tiger Mask IV, Gran Naniwa & Masato Yakushiji vs Dick Togo, Shiryu, Mens Teioh, Shoichi Funaki, TAKA Michinoku “These Days” 10/10/96 49. El Hijo del Santo, Felino, Black Warrior, Silver King, Dr. Wagner Jr, El Satanico, Kevin Quinn & Scorpio Jr vs Ultimo Dragon, Atlantis, Negro Casas, El Dandy, Shocker, Mascara Magica, La Fiera & Brazo de Oro Cibernetico Match 4/18/97 48. Jerry Lawler vs Austin Idol “Hair vs Hair Steel Cage Match” 4/27/87 47. El Satanico vs Pirata Morgan “Hair vs Hair” 11/26/93 46. Kenta Kobashi & Tsuyoshi Kikuchi vs Dan Kroffat & Doug Furnas 5/22/92 45. Terry Funk vs Jumbo Tsuruta 6/11/76 44. John Cena vs Daniel Bryan SummerSlam 8/18/13 43. Kiyoshi Tamura vs Volk Han 1/22/97 42. Ted Dibiase vs Jim Duggan “No DQ Steel Cage Tuxedo Coal Miner’s Glove On a Pole Loser Leaves Town Match” 3/22/85 41. Nick Bockwinkel vs Curt Hennig “60 Minute Draw” 11/2186 40. El Hijo del Santo vs Negro Casas vs El Dandy “Mask vs Hair vs Hair” 12/6/96 39. Sting, Ricky Steamboat, Barry Windham, Dustin Rhodes & Nikita Koloff vs Rick Rude, Steve Austin, Arn Anderson, Bobby Eaton & Larry Zbyszko War Games 5/17/92 38. Ric Flair vs Terry Funk Great American Bash 7/23/89 37. Bret Hart vs Steve Austin “Submission Match” WrestleMania XIII 2/23/97 36. Jerry Lawler vs Bill Dundee “Loser Leaves Town 6/6/83 35. Stan Hansen vs Carlos Colon “Cage Match” 3/14/87 34. Stan Hansen vs Carlos Colon “Bull Rope Match” 1/6/87 33. El Hijo del Santo vs Espanto Jr “Mask vs Mask” 8/3/86 32. Akira Maeda vs Tatsumi Fujinami 6/12/86 31. John Cena vs Brock Lesnar “Extreme Rules” 4/29/12 30. Yoshiaki Fujiwara vs Riki Choshu 6/9/87 29. Ric Flair vs Ricky Steamboat Clash of the Champions VI 4/2/89 28. Mitsuharu Misawa vs Kenta Kobashi 1/20/97 27. Atlantis vs Villano III “Mask vs Mask” 3/17/00 26. Jumbo Tsuruta vs Genichiro Tenryu 6/5/89 25. Jumbo Tsuruta & Genichiro Tenryu vs Riki Choshu & Yoshiaki Yatsu 1/28/86 24. El Satanico vs El Dandy “Hair vs Hair” 12/14/90 23. Road Warriors, Nikita Koloff & Paul Ellering vs Ric Flair, Arn Anderson, Lex Luger, Tully Blanchard & JJ Dillon War Games 7/4/8 22. Antonio Inoki, Tatsumi Fujinami Fujinami, Kengo Kimura, Umanosuke Ueda, Kantaro Hoshino vs Maeda, Yoshiaki Fujiwara, Osamu Kido, Nobuhiko Takada & Kazuo Yamazaki 3/26/86 21. Antonio Inoki, Tatsumi Fujinami, Nobuhiko Takada, Yoshiaki Fujiwara, & Kengo Kimura vs Riki Choshu, Yoshiaki Yatsu, Kuniaki Kobayashi, Animal Hamaguchi, Isamu Teranishi “Gauntlet Match” 4/19/84 20. Ricky Steamboat & Jay Youngblood vs Sgt Slaughter & Don Kernodle “Steel Cage Match” Final Conflict 3/12/83 19. Manami Toyota & Toshiyo Yamada vs Mayumi Ozaki & Dynamite Kansai Dream Rush 12/22/92 18. Mitsuharu Misawa & Jun Akiyama vs Toshiaki Kawada & Akira Taue 12/6/96 17. El Hijo del Santo vs Negro Casas “Mask vs Hair” 7/18/87 16. Jerry Lawler vs Terry Funk “Empty Arena Match” 4/6/81 15. Tully Blanchard vs Magnum TA “I Quit Match” Starrcade 11/28/85 14. Terry Funk vs Stan Hansen 4/14/83 13. Jerry Lawler vs Bill Dundee “Loser Leaves Town” 12/30/85 12. Mitsuharu Misawa vs Toshiaki Kawada 6/3/94 11. El Satanico vs Gran Cochisse 9/14/84 10. Mitsuharu Misawa & Kenta Kobashi vs Toshiaki Kawada & Akira Taue 6/9/95 9. The Destroyer vs Giant Baba 3/5/69 8. Ric Flair vs Ricky Steamboat WrestleWar 5/7/89 7. Akira Hokuto vs Shinobu Kandori Dream Slam I 4/3/93 6. Stan Hansen vs Kenta Kobashi 7/27/93 5. Kiyoshi Tamura vs Tsuyoshi Kohsaka 6/27/98 4. Stan Hansen vs Andre the Giant 9/23/81 3. Akira Hokuto & Shinobu Kandori vs Aja Kong & Bull Nakano Wrestling Queendom 3/27/94 2. Sangre Chicana vs Perro Aguayo “Hair vs Hair’ 2/28/86 1. Sangre Chicana vs MS-1 “Hair vs Hair” 9/23/83 edit to correct date of Regal/Ohno Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Microstatistics Posted January 16, 2016 Report Share Posted January 16, 2016 Great to see the Queendom tag so high. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerryvonKramer Posted January 16, 2016 Report Share Posted January 16, 2016 We've definitely seen every possible variant of ranking Flair-Steamboat trilogy now. I was 1. Clash, 2. Chi-Town, 3. Wrestlewar Chad was 1. Clash, 2. Wrestlewar, 3. Chi-town I think Tim was 1. Chi-town, 2. Clash, 3. Wrestlewar And now elliott is 1. Wrestlewar, 2. Clash, 3. Chi-town Pretty amazing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Microstatistics Posted January 16, 2016 Report Share Posted January 16, 2016 On 1/16/2016 at 5:58 AM, JerryvonKramer said: We've definitely seen every possible variant of ranking Flair-Steamboat trilogy now. I was 1. Clash, 2. Chi-Town, 3. Wrestlewar Chad was 1. Clash, 2. Wrestlewar, 3. Chi-town I think Tim was 1. Chi-town, 2. Clash, 3. Wrestlewar And now elliott is 1. Wrestlewar, 2. Clash, 3. Chi-town Pretty amazing. 1. Chi-town 2. Wrestlewar 3. Clash (which is my order, funnily enough) and 1. Wrestlewar 2. Chi-Town 3. Clash are still left. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elliott Posted January 16, 2016 Author Report Share Posted January 16, 2016 On 1/16/2016 at 5:43 AM, Microstatistics said: Great to see the Queendom tag so high. That's the only real contender to the Sangre Chicana monopoly at the top for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elliott Posted January 16, 2016 Author Report Share Posted January 16, 2016 I should have waited 30 minutes to post my list because I just watched that Super Dragon vs Necro Butcher for the first time. Holy shit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WingedEagle Posted January 16, 2016 Report Share Posted January 16, 2016 Love the diversity of this list. Absolutely zero consensus from what I can see. Perhaps a little more lucha than some others? Definitely a strong reminder that I have to check out many classics that department. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timbo Slice Posted January 16, 2016 Report Share Posted January 16, 2016 I was Chi-Town, WrestleWar, Clash. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerryvonKramer Posted January 16, 2016 Report Share Posted January 16, 2016 I have to confess that I don't understand why people put Clash anything but #1, for me it is the best match of all time. I was absolutely mesmerised the first time I saw it. It it has never lost anything on subsequent viewings. Arguments put forth here: https://soundcloud.com/jerryvonkramer/where-the-big-boys-play-rewind-ric-flair-vs-ricky-steamboat-clash-6 What are the respective arguments for putting Chi-Town or Wrestlewar ahead of it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigBadMick Posted January 16, 2016 Report Share Posted January 16, 2016 Different strokes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerryvonKramer Posted January 16, 2016 Report Share Posted January 16, 2016 On 1/16/2016 at 10:59 PM, BigBadMick said: Different strokes.See, it's meant to be a conversation starter not ender. In practice all it ever does is shut down discourse, analysis and reasoning. At the very least it should be possible to go into what strokes appeal to what folks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slasher Posted January 16, 2016 Report Share Posted January 16, 2016 On 1/16/2016 at 11:29 PM, JerryvonKramer said: On 1/16/2016 at 10:59 PM, BigBadMick said: Different strokes.See, it's meant to be a conversation starter not ender. In practice all it ever does is shut down discourse, analysis and reasoning. At the very least it should be possible to go into what strokes appeal to what folks. So make a thread. This isn't really the place for THAT conversation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerryvonKramer Posted January 16, 2016 Report Share Posted January 16, 2016 It should be the place for the Flair vs. Steamer comparisons though. I just didn't hear anyone go into specifically why they'd put the other two over Clash. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Childs Posted January 16, 2016 Report Share Posted January 16, 2016 I agree Clash is the best, but I could see a case for Chi-Town because it was so tight and because the finish was a cool moment. I don't see much argument for Wrestle War, which probably wouldn't make my top 100. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slasher Posted January 16, 2016 Report Share Posted January 16, 2016 I disagree. It isn't even about the trilogy. It is about top 100 matches per poster. Why reduce the thread into another wank about Flair/Steamboat? Make a thread if that question really perplexes you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Childs Posted January 16, 2016 Report Share Posted January 16, 2016 Oh for fuck's sake, it's a thread about top 100 match lists, and he's talking about three matches that feature prominently in a lot of top 100s. Nothing wrong with that at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slasher Posted January 16, 2016 Report Share Posted January 16, 2016 Im really not trying to be antagonistic but Im just not interested in that talk. But obviously thats just me and Im not the boss here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerryvonKramer Posted January 16, 2016 Report Share Posted January 16, 2016 On 1/16/2016 at 11:44 PM, Childs said: I agree Clash is the best, but I could see a case for Chi-Town because it was so tight and because the finish was a cool moment. I don't see much argument for Wrestle War, which probably wouldn't make my top 100. See I'm the same, have Wrestlewar some ways behind the other two. And I guess I'm just curious about the Wrestlewar love. I made the analogy before that Clash is the classic album, Chi-Town the killer single, and Wrestlewar the greatest hits tour. It's always felt a bit less vital than than the other two for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peachchaos Posted January 16, 2016 Report Share Posted January 16, 2016 I started a poll + thread for ranking the Flair-Steamboat '89 series if anyone is interested. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elliott Posted January 17, 2016 Author Report Share Posted January 17, 2016 I'm on break at work and am going to a show later so I probably won't be able to give a full response till tomorrow. But the whole point of making a top 100 and sharing it was so people can pick at it and ask questions. So I have zero problem with parv asking about the Flair/Steamboat matches. WrestleWar feels more like a life experience than a classic wrestling match if that makes sense. Like the culmination of Flair's career up to that point. I also can't separate the post match angle either so that plays a roll. I'll have a lot more to say later on. But those matches are So So Good Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ohtani's jacket Posted January 17, 2016 Report Share Posted January 17, 2016 I've been living in Japan for too long cos when I saw that title I thought it was a list of matches that are just okay. Nice to see you still carrying the torch for Queendom after all these years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soup23 Posted January 17, 2016 Report Share Posted January 17, 2016 Swell list Elliott. One match I want to rewatch is Final Conflict with both you and Tim having it on your respective lists. I remember in the early infancy of WTBBP thinking it was a great Sarge performance and had some big spots that played off the blowoff to the feud but also had some annoying moments like the lack of cage work in the early beginning. Still gave the match ***3/4 or so but it is one of the few matches on the top 100 list like these where I am a bit perplexed that it has placed for some people based on my feelings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loss Posted January 17, 2016 Report Share Posted January 17, 2016 Fun list. I wish I could pull it off but I don't think I could make a list I'd be happy with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exposer Posted January 17, 2016 Report Share Posted January 17, 2016 I find rating matches a million times more difficult than wrestlers. I'm not sure I could ever do a list like this. These 100 matches are really great reference points though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loss Posted January 17, 2016 Report Share Posted January 17, 2016 I actually find ranking matches much easier and more enjoyable, but I'll never feel like I've seen enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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