Reactions to the Honorable Mention List, Part 3

[JerryvonKramer]

I was out and saw the Dory reveal the moment my iPhone ran out of battery.

 

A shame he couldn't make it to the top 100

[Manatee]

One person higher had a highest vote of 28.

I just had this sudden wave of panic that this is my vote for Blue Panther. He is by far the guy I ranked the highest based on the least amount of footage.

[JerryvonKramer]

With Dory and Fuchi, I'm now 24 men down.

[El Dragon]

Only one on that list on my listing was Blackwell, who I had at 75 and was keeping my fingers crossed would stick around into the top 100.

 

I've been up front with me voting for Trips in a low spot, and I'll also mention out of the people are whining about potentially making the top 100, I have Undertaker and Foley on my list as well. I really enjoyed Undertakers last few years of regular competition on Smackdown, as well as most of his Biker Taker run. Roughly a 5 year stretch when he was someone I would actively seek out his work, maybe longer. If that's not a long enough stretch to have on a ballot, sue me.

 

I still think the most frustrating name left is the Rock. He had about 5 years as a regular wrestler, and was never an elite one in that time. With HHH you can at least point out time frame someone could have enjoyed him a good deal if your preferences pointed that way. I just don't see that much of an argument for The Rock.

 

Shout out to the "Mid 2000's Indy Guys" still hanging around in Joe, Low-Ki, Zayn, Hero, and Cesaro. Also Punk and Bryan, but they kinda put themselves on a different scale.

[Danish Dynamite]

I was out and saw the Dory reveal the moment my iPhone ran out of battery.

 

A shame he couldn't make it to the top 100

 

I had him at #74, but didn't expect him to go all the way. Agree it's a shame, but he actually ranked higher than I feared. I'm sure it was the Hoss and Jimmy Jack Funk matches that helped him this high ... I have high hopes that he'll do very, very well in the tag rankings though!

[DR Ackermann]

Here's where I stand now. I'm down 30 guys. My top 20 is still in tact though.

 

21. Black Terry

22. Negro Navarro

23. Marty Jones

 

39. Yoji Anjoh

 

41. Jose Lothario

42. Kantaro Hoshino

 

46. La Fiera

 

49. Tommy Rich

 

51. Invader I

52. Jerry Blackwell

 

56. Emilio Charles Jr.

 

58. Alexander Otsuka

59. Masa Fuchi

 

62. Masa Saito

 

65. Fuerza Guerrera

 

69. Pirata Morgan

70. Jon Cortes

71. Gino Hernandez

72. Dennis Condrey

 

74. Butch Reed

 

76. Pete Roberts

 

83. Tarzan Goto

 

85. Solar

86. Naoki Sano

 

89. Wahoo McDaniel

 

91. Chris Adams

 

97. Tamon Honda

98. Ricky Fuyuki

99. Clive Myers

100. Masakatsu Funaki

[Danish Dynamite]

 

One person higher had a highest vote of 28.

I just had this sudden wave of panic that this is my vote for Blue Panther. He is by far the guy I ranked the highest based on the least amount of footage.

 

Oh, Panther's not gone yet? Don't know why I thought so. Great :-) Think I have 80 left then.

 

EDIT: Ah, Motherf€#§er! I missed Sasaki going down :-( ... 21 down for me, 79 left.

[Dylan Waco]

 

Matt when so many voters were not PWOers, I'm not sure there are any lessons or conclusions to draw from the results and I say that expecting Flair will finish #1

 

I said months ago that the results won't mean much. Just enjoying the reveals.

 

This isn't just in response to you, but...

 

They mean a whole hell of a lot.

 

All of us are PWOers. All of us are likely in the top 1% of fans who are in the "know", meaning watch a variety of footage and dive into non-current stuff.

 

I don't buy into the hivemind arguement at all, but you can't say there's not a "hivemind" and then complain that people have different opinions than the podcast host family.

 

I like Bigelow. I like Malenko. Not as much as I used to, but they still made the second half of my list. That doesn't make my opinion less valid than someone who's discovered they "actually" are overrated.

 

It's perfectly fine to complain about a favorite falling too early, but the random people complaining about lack of voter quality is totally bull.

 

 

The podcast host family have radically different opinions on tons of stuff.

[anarchistxx]

I still think the most frustrating name left is the Rock. He had about 5 years as a regular wrestler, and was never an elite one in that time. With HHH you can at least point out time frame someone could have enjoyed him a good deal if your preferences pointed that way. I just don't see that much of an argument for The Rock.

 

Depends if you are voting in ring or total package. I didn't vote for The Rock myself, but can see why someone would on the basis of aura, charisma, promo, entertainment, just someone you enjoyed watching.

 

That is why someone like Rob Van Dam made my list over, say, Naoki Sano or Dynamite Kansai. RVD has glaring faults and is clearly the worse in ring worker in comparison, but some intangible factor about his personality and how he carries himself gets me far more invested in his matches. Even if since 2003 or so when he became bored and sanitized by WWE it has probably been me projecting the character of a cocky, arrogant, blase risk taker on him when he was going through the motions.

 

I got a real kick out of heel RVD in 2001 - an good example of a heel that is edgy and cool as fuck and the fans will cheer over the babyface. His performance against Jeff Hardy at the Invasion PPV is probably the perfect star making big stage introduction, every little thing he does in that match is flawless.

[El Dragon]

My list of guys on the outs

 

46. Meiko Satomura- 130

...

53. Big Show- 203

54. Austin Aries- 176

55. Matt Hardy- 154

...

57. Roderick Strong- 236

...

60. Yoshinori Ogawa- 184

...

65. Homicide- 269

...

67. Butch Reed- 136

68. Luke Harper- 300

69. El Mesias- 293

70. Paul London- 298

71. Yoshihiro Takayama- 123

72. Kana- 244

73. Tsuyoshi Kikuchi- 148

...

75. Jerry Blackwell- 118

...

77. Mark Henry- 156

...

84. Jamie Noble- 290

...

86. Nigel McGuinness- 210

87. Masaaki Mochizuki- 194

88. Triple H-120

89. Psicosis- 183

...

92. Jimmy Rave- 338

93. Jimmy Jacobs- 353

94. Magnum T.A.- 181

95. John Morrison- 419

96. Batista- 241

97. Jeff Hardy- 178

98. Eddie Kingston- 311

99. Kevin Steen- 177

100. YAMATO- 331

 

So, 70 still left for me, and almost the entirely of my top half.

[Jetlag]

Chigusa's the one joshi wrestler I do not care for at all. Glad she's out, altough joshi fans who know better than me probably think otherwise. Her beating Jaguar is bad enough.

[El-P]

Chigusa's the one joshi wrestler I do not care for at all. Glad she's out, altough joshi fans who know better than me probably think otherwise.

 

Not all of us.

 

Well, Chiggy has been great at one point, if you can stomach the 80's schoolgirl era. She was still pretty damn good when she came back to work some shows in the early 90's. Chiggy in GAEA... not so much. Not great by any stretch of the imagination anyway.

[El-P]

I was out and saw the Dory reveal the moment my iPhone ran out of battery.

 

Damn, even your Iphone fell asleep at the mere mention of Dory.

[ElHijodeGorgeousGeorge]

Glad we're getting closer to the true 100 list. I have a lot more names to be revealed so this will be interesting.

[Jaivl]

 

I was out and saw the Dory reveal the moment my iPhone ran out of battery.

 

Damn, even your Iphone fell asleep at the mere mention of Dory.

 

Wow, the quality has been great overall, but this is the post of the project for me.

[Badlittlekitten]

Chigusa finishing below the the likes of Christian hurts and goes against what I've come to value in wrestling with this project.

[Loss]

 

I know the debate and critique is natural. I was responding to the complaints about non-PWO voters and such.

 

I also think it's important to remember when praising wrestlers that aren't part of established canon that the legwork is harder. Saying something like, "Oh, CIMA has been great for 15 years" without walking through each year of his career and pointing out why while recommending a few dozen matches probably won't cut it. On the flip side, people like Sting who are loved at a level disproportionate to their abilities should have probably been hit harder in their threads.

I am not sure more discussion would have mattered. Looking at placements of guys like Sting, Malenko and Bigelow its seems clear that at least one third of the voters did not really pay any attention to those threads.

 

 

I still think it's worth trying. Saying that discussion of wrestlers is pointless because everyone has their mind made up doesn't speak well of this project. I've had my mind changed by convincing posts before.

[goc]

I didn't mean that any of the discussion was worthless. It had value to the people who were reading it and taking part in it. I was just pointing out that there were far less than 150 people posting in the nominee threads. I dont see any reason to believe the people who submitted ballots that arent pwo regulars ever even looked at it.

[goc]

I didn't mean that any of the discussion was worthless. It had value to the people who were reading it and taking part in it. I was just pointing out that there were far less than 150 people posting in the nominee threads. I dont see any reason to believe the people who submitted ballots that arent pwo regulars ever even looked at it.

[Coffey]

So are we gonna make it to the Top 100 today?

[Death From Above]

9 more reveals till we get to the top 100. Anyone want to guess who doesn't make it?

 

Has Mil Mascaras dropped yet?

[El-P]

 

 

I was out and saw the Dory reveal the moment my iPhone ran out of battery.

 

Damn, even your Iphone fell asleep at the mere mention of Dory.

 

Wow, the quality has been great overall, but this is the post of the project for me.

 

 

At your service.

[Mando]

So are we gonna make it to the Top 100 today?

Nope. Grimmas posted a complete rundown of the posting schedule from here through #1 yesterday in this thread. The anticipation!

[JerryvonKramer]

 

 

I was out and saw the Dory reveal the moment my iPhone ran out of battery.

 

Damn, even your Iphone fell asleep at the mere mention of Dory.

Wow, the quality has been great overall, but this is the post of the project for me.

Nice to see my Learning to Love Dory thread had such a great impact on challenging pre-conceptions.

[Moonsault Marvin]

At the beginning of the project, I hated Dory, but after watching all those '70s Funks tag matches, I came to appreciate him. Besides losing Dory today, I lost Wahoo, Jaguar, and Chigusa.