How much work and time does a great or perfect match need?

[JerryvonKramer]

I mixed the matches up. I was trying to be friendly and point you towards something that might be of interest. I forgot that it had all been worked out in 1989, sorry. Next time I'll know better.

[jdw]

Actually it wasn't all worked out in 1989. Jewett's criticism of the 5/89 match online was in the late 90s. Tabe probably has been talking about his thoughts on the finish for just as long, if not longer.

 

It was rather clear in the discussion that what I was referring to was after 1989 and prior to now.

 

I get that your concept of opinion is that there was only two points: Original Criticism and Whenever Parv First Watched/Read/Listened To It And Formed An Opinion. The later especially if you have a contrary opinion and try to claim originating it, even if the ground has been covered before.

[JerryvonKramer]

You don't deserve love or happiness in your life; all your friends secretly dislike you.

[WingedEagle]

Would seriously rather watch you guys go than the debate next Monday. Yours won't see me make bad jokes (but am I kidding?) to the wife about moving to Canada, and there will undoubtedly be a greater mix of substantive issues to go along with the biting personal jabs. Never quit.

[jdw]

You don't deserve love or happiness in your life; all your friends secretly dislike you.

 

[peachchaos]

 

I do remember thinking that it was bad acting and a botched table spot the first time I saw the Flair-Steamboat postmatch. I think once you see the rest of the Flair-Funk feud the setup retroactively becomes this great angle.

 

Terry's acting is just something I've grown to love.

[elliott]

I would consider jdw a friend and would for the last 15+ years. I think the shit parv is allowed to get away with is ridiculous and he drags this entire board down. Say what you will about john, this place is worse because of Parv and shit like that. I mean what the fuck?

[Jimmy Redman]

To get this back to the original question, I was bored today and decided to see how this time thing plays out in reality. Simply, I took a list of my best ever matches, and looked at how long they went (to the nearest minute):

 

1. 23 mins

2. 27 mins

3. 56 mins

4. 9 mins

5. 12 mins

6. 30 mins

7. 29 mins

8. 31 mins

9. 24 mins

10. 18 mins

11. 7 mins

12. 20 mins

13. 34 mins

14. 13 mins

15. 18 mins

16. 20 mins

17. 27 mins

18. 24 mins

19. 28 mins

20. 23 mins

21. 56 mins

22. 25 mins

23. 12 mins

24. 15 mins

25. 8 mins

 

10-19 mins: 6

20-29 mins: 11

30+ mins: 5

 

I think the only interesting thing to note is the lack of matches above 34 mins, besides the two hour long ones. I assume for people who are into things like NWA Title matches and AJPW epics, theirs would skew a lot more towards the 30-45 min range. Whereas WWE epics tend to max out at the 30 min mark.

 

But of course, this is just a small sampling since there are many, many more matches I consider great, some over an hour long and some less than 2 minutes. So again, greatness takes as long as it takes.

[El-P]

I would consider jdw a friend and would for the last 15+ years. I think the shit parv is allowed to get away with is ridiculous and he drags this entire board down.

 

Same thing here. At some point, you just have to draw a fucking line."You don't deserve love or happiness in your life". Seriously ?

[Loss]

You don't deserve love or happiness in your life; all your friends secretly dislike you.

 

If you have a response to something being said, say it, but please don't make posts like this. Let's keep it civil, or at least try harder.

[Microstatistics]

 

How long does a match need to go before you're comfortable calling it great or perfect?

 

As long as it needs.

 

 

Might not seem like the most useful answer but basically this. I have seen GOAT level matches that are 40+ minutes. I have seen great matches that are barely 5 minutes. It just depends.

[BrianB]

There's probably some exceptions. But generally, I'd say it's pretty hard to have a 4.5-5* classic match in under 10 minutes.