Jetlag Posted February 13, 2018 Report Posted February 13, 2018 EDIT: Okay, Jim Duggan match in the Top 100? This list isn't half bad. I'd be shocked if the GWE forums produces a better one. Are you on the GWE forums? I'm curious why your expectations are so low. Or, I'm being trolled into a reply. I suppose that's possible too. As usual with lists like these, as soon as a collective of individuals is working on it with each vote given the same weight despite the gaps between them in expertise and input of time, you will see a general drop of quality in the outcome as opposed to looking at each list individually and picking out the best one. That is why democracy doesn't work, and the only way get a great or even perfect list is to wait for a monarch or god to bestow it to us, or until it is deduced by scholars from a credible source e.g. the Bible. From what it looks like now, the GWE forums list will have a heavy bias towards 80s/90s stuff. Then you replace all the generic canonized recent NJPW classics in the Reddit list with classic canonized picks e.g. AJPW matches, women's matches and territory stuff, then your outcome is about the same. This is not to smite Reddit users or GWE forums users, since I will participate in the GWE and am looking forward to the outcome. The best type of list, in my opinion, does not aim for accuracy or representation, but rather, hilarity and honesty, as seen in the WKO lists of yore. As far as Onita goes, I remember him vs. Chavo being quietly really good.
dawho5 Posted February 13, 2018 Report Posted February 13, 2018 I'm starting to see why the GME project isn't on the board. And I don't necessarily disagree with Jetlag's post either.
concrete1992 Posted February 13, 2018 Report Posted February 13, 2018 I love these lists as a dip into the waters into the mindset of a group of people. All lists help with that especially when confined to individual boards.
Matt D Posted February 13, 2018 Report Posted February 13, 2018 I just read this off that subreddit: "Onita in AJPW before he fucked up his knee was great. FMW Onita is all smoke, mirrors, and theater." So, yeah, it's a weird place. Where did this person get that talking point? Where are the lists of pimped 70s Onita? I'm trying to remember which Onita tag I really love. Is it: 6/6/82 Ric Flair & Dick Slater vs. Giant Baba & Onita It might be?
ShittyLittleBoots Posted February 13, 2018 Report Posted February 13, 2018 I LOVE Danielson vs. Fish, but I find it so hilarious that it made reddit's list It's especially amazing when you consider all the more hyped classic Danielson indy matches that didn't make the cut. Good stuff.
Richeyedwards Posted February 13, 2018 Report Posted February 13, 2018 But guys as u/spankmemommy said war games 1992 could really do with better fight cheorgraphy. So naturally it is left off the list.
Matt D Posted February 13, 2018 Report Posted February 13, 2018 Didn't Austin just downplay War Games 1992 a few months ago?
Richeyedwards Posted February 13, 2018 Report Posted February 13, 2018 Didn't Austin just downplay War Games 1992 a few months ago? When war games for NXT was announced he talked about it a bit saying it was really easy to work and that he got great colour. But not really playing down the match all that much
Al Posted February 13, 2018 Report Posted February 13, 2018 Austin did a Wargames '92 podcast and rated it **1/2-***. He really did think the match was disappointing.
Richeyedwards Posted February 13, 2018 Report Posted February 13, 2018 Austin did a Wargames '92 podcast and rated it **1/2-***. He really did think the match was disappointing. Got a link or date on that, could be an interesting listen.
zep81 Posted February 13, 2018 Report Posted February 13, 2018 Austin did a Wargames '92 podcast and rated it **1/2-***. He really did think the match was disappointing. Got a link or date on that, could be an interesting listen. https://www.podchaser.com/podcasts/the-steve-austin-show-35277/episodes/a-look-back-at-wrestlewar-1992-23362304
dkookypunk43 Posted February 14, 2018 Report Posted February 14, 2018 I would say I'm caught in the middle of these domographics between Wreddit and PWO. I enjoy what has come in recent years but I'm also willing to look in the past and see what great wrestling was. I feel that glancing at this list, I would have 50 to 65 matches on this list on my personal list. But I have some of the 80s stuff higher on my list. Joshi is a blindspot as well as lucha. I gotta improve that
EricR Posted February 14, 2018 Report Posted February 14, 2018 I just read this off that subreddit: "Onita in AJPW before he fucked up his knee was great. FMW Onita is all smoke, mirrors, and theater." So, yeah, it's a weird place. Where did this person get that talking point? Where are the lists of pimped 70s Onita? I'm trying to remember which Onita tag I really love. Is it: 6/6/82 Ric Flair & Dick Slater vs. Giant Baba & Onita It might be? Oh, I get that there's early Onita we've enjoyed, but I have serious doubts that whomever made that comment on reddit has ever seen much of it, let alone much FMW Onita to compare. It sounds like something they read somewhere, memorized, and repeated. It's vague enough that it doesn't sound like they've hardly seen an Onita match.
Jetlag Posted February 14, 2018 Report Posted February 14, 2018 Not everybody likes brawling/deathmatch stuff, so I don't have a hard time believing someone would prefer junior Onita. I'm not a huge fan of the exploding barbedwire stuff myself.
Loss Posted February 14, 2018 Report Posted February 14, 2018 More power to them. There probably are some things some of us could learn from some of those polled, and vice versa, but I suspect it wouldn't go well.
Mad Dog Posted February 15, 2018 Report Posted February 15, 2018 I thought their top 10 was a pretty fair list. I don't think I've seen that Ted Petty match with Quack and Claudio. I going to have to seek that one out.
G. Badger Posted February 15, 2018 Report Posted February 15, 2018 Not everybody likes brawling/deathmatch stuff, so I don't have a hard time believing someone would prefer junior Onita. I'm not a huge fan of the exploding barbedwire stuff myself. I'm psyched anyone is talking about any Onita in 2018 to be honest His recent exploding baseball bat stuff is fun but, quite goofy BTW. For example: Atushi Onita, Aja Kong & Okamoto vs Bob Sapp, Jaguar Yokota & TARU - Explosion match (05/12/17 Zero-1) Also, Quack vs Claudio is a blast. The finish is kinda mind blowing IIRC.
concrete1992 Posted February 15, 2018 Report Posted February 15, 2018 Part of me thinks that the culture of searching for hidden gems means leaving behind established "classics". Granted I only say that because that's how I am ha
Mad Dog Posted February 15, 2018 Report Posted February 15, 2018 That list isn't nearly as horrific as I thought it would be. It's actually a pretty good view into the mind of someone that has focused mostly on the U.S. scene and mainstream puro.
G. Badger Posted February 18, 2018 Report Posted February 18, 2018 Looking over this again, it comes across as a single person's (or perhaps 2-3 people's) list. Its not really like its focused on the US scene and mainstream puro after closer inspection. It's super WWE heavy, with uber pimped NJ matches from the last few years. Then it seems like randomly inserted matches from a variety of top 10 lists. Top AJPW matches from this list sprinkled here, some PWG matches from their Best Of comps with mainstream guys, some ROH matches over there, little WCW/JCP sprinkled in...So it looks like its well balanced but, its so biased. For instance, other than the Steiners '91 WO MOTY there are no other NJPW matches from the 90's...not 1 Liger match for instance. And no Tiger Mask match. So, the 90's Jr. & TM negative viewpoints have reached the mainstream fans? Edit: Never mind saw the TM Dynamite match in there But even then, I get the feeling that's the only match that the list maker(s) saw from 80's NJPW. Like OK, this is the best that 80's NJ has to offer then, that's all I need to see! I think it would have been better had they not numbered the list
Richeyedwards Posted February 18, 2018 Report Posted February 18, 2018 By checking this list on Reddit, it says it was done via cagematch ratings system and votes from people, also the posts were not upvoted much so I would suggest one reason for the seemingly random placements of Danielson Vs hero etc is that it was there based off its very high rating on cagematch, not people voting for it.
gordi Posted February 19, 2018 Report Posted February 19, 2018 By checking this list on Reddit, it says it was done via cagematch ratings system and votes from people, also the posts were not upvoted much so I would suggest one reason for the seemingly random placements of Danielson Vs hero etc is that it was there based off its very high rating on cagematch, not people voting for it. Well, there you go. That list makes a lot more sense now.
G. Badger Posted February 19, 2018 Report Posted February 19, 2018 I'm no computer wizard but, uh man, Skynet has taken over wrestling taste making!
Kadaveri Posted February 19, 2018 Author Report Posted February 19, 2018 By checking this list on Reddit, it says it was done via cagematch ratings system and votes from people, also the posts were not upvoted much so I would suggest one reason for the seemingly random placements of Danielson Vs hero etc is that it was there based off its very high rating on cagematch, not people voting for it. No it was only based on the votes. The Cagematch rating is only given as a note of interest.
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