Dylan Waco Posted February 17, 2007 Report Share Posted February 17, 2007 Compare the clusterfuck gimmick "concept" matches. "Extreme Elimination Chamber" sucked ass, failed to promise on any of the gimmicks, and sent the fans home totally unsatsisfied. Still though, at least you could follow what the fuck was going on. Try following the logic or "story" in anyone of the King Of The Mountain matches. Good luck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Evans Posted February 19, 2007 Report Share Posted February 19, 2007 TNA is horrible but is far from the worse. That goes to MLW and 1993-1997 USWA. MLW with Steve Corino as champion vs washed up Mike Awesome and Terry Funk was horrible. The best thing out of the final year of USWA was the ECW vs USWA feud where Paul E. just ripped Lawler on his own program. I actually liked some of XPW. They had Mexico's most wanted and those guys rule. And I got a kick out of Dynamite D. My favorite gimmick was probably White Trash Johnny Webb with his racist porn star girlfriend Jessica Darlin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bix Posted February 19, 2007 Report Share Posted February 19, 2007 There was still a bunch of good stuff in the USWA's last 4 years. It did drop off after the big Moondogs feud, but you still had the rise of Brian Christopher & PG-13, Jeff Jarrett's first heel turn, Eddie Gilbert's last Memphis run, the SMW feud, and a bunch of other fun stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sek69 Posted February 19, 2007 Report Share Posted February 19, 2007 You know, I think a lot of the TNA hysteria comes from people hoping they'd be the white knight to save pro wrestling from the WWE. When they didn't live up to expectations, that's when all the "dead in 3 months" stuff started. Every so often people just hitch their wagon to what they hope is the company that's going to knock Vince McMahon on his ass, and end up turning on said company when it becomes apparent they aren't going to do it. Is TNA bad, even horrible at times? Sure. Worst promotion in history? That's just crazy. Just look at all the justification going on in this thread on why other worse promotions don't count. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bix Posted February 19, 2007 Report Share Posted February 19, 2007 In fairness, there were a couple points where TNA would have been dead in 3 months if not for various unexpected saviors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMFabianoRPL Posted October 5, 2008 Report Share Posted October 5, 2008 What about GWF in the Grey Pierson era? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sek69 Posted October 5, 2008 Report Share Posted October 5, 2008 I say IWA-MS is the worst. I mean, they're awesome in a carny sense but horrible in a non-drawing shitty wrestling sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indikator Posted October 6, 2008 Report Share Posted October 6, 2008 IWA-MS is a good example why TV is crucial. I really wonder why no promotion tries the ECW approach anymore, in this DVD age ECW might have had a higher survival chance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kronos Posted October 16, 2008 Report Share Posted October 16, 2008 Since this thread had been recently revived, I didn't even notice at first that most of the posts were 20 months old. But I read it with interest. I think that TNA has done some good stuff in the intervening time (BFG 07 was a fantastic show, for example). They've used Booker in a decent manner, and they got me to enjoy Steiner. Nash has continued to be amusing. And the AJ/Angle feud about Karen was entertaining for a little while. Most importantly, they have helped to create a believable women's division, with quality qrestling given almost enough time -- when was the last time WWE ever has 2 women's matches on a PPV, with both of them being decent? However, they have continued to let storylines fizzle. They have run silly gimmicks, like Sharkboy, that get old quickly. (Still, I like Machismo and Curryman.) They have let Angle be their everything, to the point of making us viewers sick of one of the best the business has seen. And now they've let Jarrett around again. . . Late 2007 and early 2008 were some good years for the promotion, at least on PPV -- iMPACT was still hit or miss. So it might not be the worst ever compared to 2006. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Death From Above Posted October 17, 2008 Report Share Posted October 17, 2008 It was really hard to see the latest round of post-PPV Impact spoilers on DVDVR and not instantly think of this thread, because really read as some rancid TV in the extreme. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMFabianoRPL Posted April 6, 2009 Report Share Posted April 6, 2009 Serious question. I was trying to think of a promotion that has ever been worse and was struggling. Relatively major league promotions (meaning some type of TV or at least plenty of available footage) would be the criteria for competition. I'd take WCW 2000, which was a horrible year of wrestling for the most part, over any 12-month period of TNA. This is totally non-trolling. I'm just trying to think of a wrestling company -- ever -- that was definitely worse than TNA has been for their entire existence. I assume the original question is not talking about business so much as it is personal taste? For me, my worst wrestling promotion in history is the WWF Attitude era in the late 90s. By far, and it's not even close. I hated that era. In every single way possible. I could write an essay about this but I hate it so much I can't stand wasting that much time on it. WWF Attitude Get it? Es-say! Es-say! Es-say! Es-say! :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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goc Posted May 10, 2009 Report Share Posted May 10, 2009 In my book, TNA is definitely the worst promotion in history, at least as far as having all the tools to be a very good wrestling program and finding new and innovative ways to completely screw up. I was there at the beginning when they first started weekly PPVs and bought the first 2 or 3 hoping they would live up to everything they'd been hyping themselves on the internet, like you know, being non-stop action and being an alternative to the very stale WWE at the time. Unfortunately, for every good match on the show you got tons of garbage going on around it. I mean the first match they ever had gave you hope for the promotion with a nice 6 man tag between Sonny Siaki, Jimmy Yang, & Jorge Estrada vs. AJ Styles, Jerry Lynn, & Low Ki which made you think "oh man this is going to be full of nice fast paced wrestling" but then they follow it up with a lame midget match. I mean, I'm not down on midget wrestling as a whole mind you, I've seen some good mini's matches from Mexico but that was not what TNA was offering. Maybe they should have if they really wanted to be an "alternative" which the more you watched the more you realized that was just a bullshit marketing term when they trotted out the Johnsons. The next week was more of the same with one match that made you want to believe that TNA was going to be good with four way for the X-Division title but a whole slew of crap like Cheekz and a lingerie battle royal that made you really start to lose hope that TNA was going to be worth the $10 a week. I ordered a few more after week 2, but looking at results I can't even remember which ones. There was just nothing that stood out to me anymore outside of whatever Low-Ki and AJ Styles were doing. And I just wasn't going to pay 10 bucks a week to see one POSSIBLY two good matches and about an hour and a half of other stuff I couldn't care about. And pretty much, that model of giving you maybe one thing a show to get interested in and a whooole bunch of crap hasn't really changed. I mean the announce team sucked terribly for a long time, but I will at least give them credit for freshening it up a little with Don West being heel now. But they've done so much to kill any home grown guy that started to get over, whether that be never pulling the trigger on Monty Brown, or making Samoa Joe go from the hottest guy they had to a whiny loser to...whatever he is now. TNA has had the tools to put on a great wrestling show pretty much from the beginning but has been nothing but a disappointing failure. TNA would have to suddenly become really awesome for a looong stretch of time to take away their distinction as the worst promotion ever in my book. And personally I think that will never ever happen after their 8 year track record of suck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goodhelmet Posted May 10, 2009 Report Share Posted May 10, 2009 I have a ton of TNA footage collecting dust here. Once I put out the NJ set and the 1996 yearbook, it looks like it might be time for a history of TNA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loss Posted May 10, 2009 Author Report Share Posted May 10, 2009 I can think of about four dozen things I'd rather happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goc Posted May 10, 2009 Report Share Posted May 10, 2009 Haha Loss beat me to it by seconds. With all the footage you have, I'm sure you could put together dozens of things that would be much better than a TNA history comp. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomk Posted May 11, 2009 Report Share Posted May 11, 2009 I wish toa had an archive so I could find my old workrate reports for the first two several two hour PPVs. There was this brief period where they were running out of money and it became a really great Bert Prentice fed with AMW v Hot Shots where I thought it had some potential and then they got a money mark and it went back to hell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest secondcoming Posted May 11, 2009 Report Share Posted May 11, 2009 I have a ton of TNA footage collecting dust here. Once I put out the NJ set and the 1996 yearbook, it looks like it might be time for a history of TNA. give it another year or so, and it will make itself history Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goc Posted May 11, 2009 Report Share Posted May 11, 2009 I have a ton of TNA footage collecting dust here. Once I put out the NJ set and the 1996 yearbook, it looks like it might be time for a history of TNA. give it another year or so, and it will make itself history Haha people have been putting TNA on a death watch since 2002, I think at this point it is just the horrible little promotion that could...keep sucking...forever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kjh Posted May 11, 2009 Report Share Posted May 11, 2009 Goc's right. The money mark doesn't pull out when TNA is drawing near record ratings on Spike TV. For the moment they're fine, even if they're losing money. Long term, it depends on how long Angle, Sting and Foley stick with the company for and whether they are able to make any new stars or pick up any more ready made stars from WWE. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ditch Posted May 11, 2009 Report Share Posted May 11, 2009 Last I knew, TNA was breaking even as far as current costs and current revenue. Though that was months ago so things might have swung back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Morris Posted May 12, 2009 Report Share Posted May 12, 2009 I actually wouldn't mind a TNA match comp just to see how well any of their "best matches" have held up. Of course, that means you have to rule out most of Impact, as the "best matches" were on PPV. As far as the TNA history lesson, what else can be said but that TNA is the case of a promotion that had so much potential, yet kept making all the wrong moves, but through it all, the money mark kept feeding it. Sounds a lot like WCW prior to the Monday Night Wars era, if you think about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest secondcoming Posted May 13, 2009 Report Share Posted May 13, 2009 I actually wouldn't mind a TNA match comp just to see how well any of their "best matches" have held up. Of course, that means you have to rule out most of Impact, as the "best matches" were on PPV. As far as the TNA history lesson, what else can be said but that TNA is the case of a promotion that had so much potential, yet kept making all the wrong moves, but through it all, the money mark kept feeding it. Sounds a lot like WCW prior to the Monday Night Wars era, if you think about it. that is exactly why I feel TNA is not entirely dead in the water yet...to me it seems (and I, self admittedly no jack shit about the company, just what i have heard)... They have the talent they have the financeer, who seems to be interested enough to throw money at a dying concept. they need a booker. Maybe we should write a letter to Dixie...that's half a joke, but before Russo was doing his part to ruin WCW, was he hired by WWE for being a smark with a news column that went off about what the WWF was doing wrong? Dixie probably doesn't know what a smart mark is, and probably thinks its ok to have a wrestler run a wrestling company...maybe she needs to be told the facts. That place is itching for Heyman, IMO... I'd be interested to see what a Heyman/Bischoff collaboration would look like...or even Heyman with Russo under him (Russo has been somewhat creative in the past, right?) or maybe Lance Storm as a booker...that'd be interesting to see. no matter what though, I think the company's main problem is shoddy booking Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Posted May 13, 2009 Report Share Posted May 13, 2009 No Heyman. I'm tired of the crash booking concept in general. We need an alternative. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest secondcoming Posted May 13, 2009 Report Share Posted May 13, 2009 No Heyman. I'm tired of the crash booking concept in general. We need an alternative. didn't he have a kick ass season of OVW? regardless...I would love to see what Storm would do as booker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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