Dark Side of the Ring

[sek69]

Let's not forget the stories of Shawn banging Tammy Sytch while her and Candido were working things out, and making sure he rubbed Chris' nose in it. Also allegedly copious amounts of nose candy were involved as well. He then tossed her aside when he was done with her like a sack of garbage, which I'm sure did wonders for her considering how she turned out. 

Also that was the reason Bret got so upset at the "Sunny Days" comment. Not only was it an attempt at fucking up his personal life, he was accusing Bret of doing what he did IRL. 

[Rah]

Did some digging on the Internet Archive and found a post:

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THE RED-EYE FROM SF TO DALLAS
by "Marty Jannetty"

If I had a dollar for every wild party we had, I could buy Vince McMahon out. Right off the top of my head, one that comes up immediately, would be the red-eye flight from San Francisco to Dallas. This was back when GHB was legal. I shall repeat that - this was when GHB was legal - they sold it at GNC's. The following story is one of the reasons GHB ain't legal any more.

It's the end of a fifteen day road tour; all the boys (wrestlers) are tired and ready to get home. Everyone, including all the rest of the passengers, planned on sleeping the whole four hour flight. It's loaded with the boys and maybe twenty-five mostly elderly folks. Right before the doors are closed on the plane, in come four loud-ass drunk college kids, raising some hell. It's three guys and one girl. She looks great. So, immediately Shawn Michaels and I are getting ideas. Well, the guys were absolutely obnoxious, screaming "let's party," which is cool with me... but the rest of the plane wasn't thrilled at all. As they strolled down the aisle, one of them recognized Sgt. Slaughter and started yelling "Hey guys, look, its G.I. Joe!" and they all started chanting "GI JOE!". Slaughter was really getting his jaw poking out about it. Then they saw the Bushwhackers, and they started yelling "yeeeeaaaaahhhh!" and "wooooaaaaah!". It was sort of funny to me, but I knew right then and there, "we are gonna have some fun with these kids and a little GHB."

As we took off, an elderly man asked them if they would please hold the noise down, because he was going to try to sleep. The kids turned and hollered, "Hell no, we ain't gonna be quiet, we are gonna party all flight long!". You know, my dick damn near got hard when I heard that, because these boys are gonna be sampling some G and most likely the girl is gonna be sampling me.

So that was what I was thinking, and Shawn was thinking the same. We are in the air, and Shawn and I give the nod to each other. We walk up the aisle and stand next to where these fools are sitting. I take out the G and say to Shawn, "You ready to party?" "Hell yes," he says. So we get our little glasses of water and mix a scoop in and swallow it down. And it's on! For those of you unfamiliar with GHB, what you do is mix a scoop (equal to a teaspoon) of it with water (now they have liquid form, and it's illegal - so you know I ain't messin' with it) and drink it, and in about 15 minutes you feel like you are 20 beers in, and sort of acid tripping (how would I know that?). So, these fine young kids are watching with curiosity, and one says, "Hey, what is that ya'll are doing?". I reply, "Well, this is some stuff for big time partiers. What do you guys know about that?" The guy tells me, "Hell, we are from the fraternity - we do it all! We can out-party any one." So I say, "Oh really, so you think you want to try this stuff?" He replies, "Hell, yeah, I said we're from the fraternity! We do it all!". So I said, "Alright, give me your glasses and I will fix you guys up."

Shawn opens the bottle and we drop in one scoop... two scoops... three scoops... per glass. Except for the girl, she only got one and a half. The stuff will drop you into a coma if you take too much, but with just the right amount, these boys are gonna go nite-nite. About 10 minutes go by, and the first guy says to me, "Hey, I don't feel nothin'! You guys are pussies! I told you we could out-party anyone!" Well, before he could finish his next sentence, he stops and says, "Oh... oh... I think I am starting to feel something." Well, all the boys know the game plan and are alerting each other to get ready. One of the kids gets up and says, "Damn, I can't hardly stand up," and another gets up and runs to the bathroom, leaving me with one guy and the girl. Well, this guys starts slurring so bad, I knew he was about to go down. I told him my name was Steve Lombardi. We are talking and he turns and says something to the girl, and he gets no reply. He then turns on the overhead light, and... there she is, leaning against the window wall, throw-up running down the side of the wall. She is out. He jumps up and tries to go the bathroom, and is falling down everywhere, hollering "Oh, this ain't good!".

Well, one of the Hebner brothers was the first to attack. The girl was big titted and wearing a shirt with straps holding it on. Hebner takes the scissors and cuts the straps. Bam, her big tits fall right out. Now all the boys are coming around. Sgt. Slaughter, who is sitting right in the seats in front of her, turns and sees this. He smiles big, and decides to distract the stewardess' attention by going and asking for things. Next, the Ultimate Warrior comes back from first class and asks, "Where is she?". As the boys are taking turns with the scissors snipping at her long beautiful hair, Warrior start twisting hard as hell on her nipples. She starts to wake up, and looks down at her tits, and tries to cover them up, but stops... looks... and... throws up right on both tits. Mounds of throw-up is all you could now see. Her hair is steadily being cut. Well, about this time, here comes tall boy from the bathroom with some napkins for her... but he looks and sees this mess. She has throw-up all over the plane, her seat, her boobs, and she now looks like Sinéad O'Connor. She's practically bald; just bits and pieces of hair left on her head. Tall Boy turns to find his buddy, whose birthday it was (which was why they were celebrating), and starts screaming, "Where are you, Mark?" (I can't remember his name so we'll use Mark for this story).

Well, in the back of the plane we can see Warrior, and we hear a small buzzing sound, like electric hair cutters, and the bathroom door is open, with a pair of feet hanging out from inside. Warrior has a smooth back-and-forth arm motion going with this buzzing sound. We all head back to see this. Warrior leaves, giggling his ass off. Well, we look in the bathroom and the birthday boy is sitting on the toilet, passed out, pants down, throw-up all in his underwear... and he is now sporting a Road Warrior Hawk type hairdo. Tall Boy runs over, looks in and starts screaming, "Oh ****, this ain't good!" We are all just laughing, and we noticed the buzzing sound was going again - we look back up the aisle and Warrior is at it again. So we keep Tall Boy busy while Warrior is working. Finally, it's time to go see.
We follow Tall Boy as he is looking for the other guy... who has passed out across three seats and is laying face down, with his head resting on arms. Tall Boy turns the overhead light on, and he hollers, "Oh my God, not you too!". We look down at the other guy, now waking up, and he only has hair where his arm was blocking it in front. It looked like a reverse Boris Zukoff haircut, with a horn coming out from the front of his head. Well, as you may imagine, the steward and stewardesses come back to find clothes, hair, and throw-up all over the plane. And Tall Boy is telling the steward that Steve (me) will tell them everything, because I was "on their side." The steward was pissed and said he knew Warrior was a part of it, and wanted more names. I told him that I had plenty of witnesses that they did it to themselves, and that they were drunk and loud and obnoxious, and that the stewardesses served them alcohol, knowing that they had too much already. The guy says to me, "Okay, I won't say anything about knowing Warrior was back here if you guys don't tell police we served them." Police? Yes, he said they had to call and report this because it would take a special clean up crew for the mess.

This is a long story, so let me just say that it ended like this. When we landed, the old folks on the plane were high-fiving the boys. saying it was the best flight they'd ever had. "Macho Man" Randy Savage had been the only of the boys who actually stayed up in first class and slept the flight, but when he woke up, he heard all the news and he was determined to see this sight. As the plane was unloading passengers, everyone waited to see these kids come out, and formed a big horseshoe-shaped line in front of the door at Dallas airport. Others walking by got curious as to what was going on, and they wanted to see too, so the crowd was growing. All I kept hearing was Macho Man sayin, in that voice of his, "Ooooh yeah, I gotta see this." The police went in with wheelchairs and started bringing the college partiers out one at a time... in wheelchairs, as they were still unable to walk, and they were handcuffed too. Each one that came out, the crowd went absolutely crazy with laughter and cheers - and the Macho Man hollering his best "Ooooh yeahs!". The girl was so pretty at the beginning of this flight but was now bald, face crinkling from sickness and stinky from throw-up. She was a horrible sight.

Well, that is just one of the "millions and millions" of crazy, wild stories from my partying experiences. Maybe next time I can give you a shorter story. Believe me, I left a lot of funny stuff out because this was such a long story to type.

-Marty

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Slaughter, Warrior, Hebner brothers, Marty and HBK. I get "frat party humor" but how is any of this funny?

[ragemaster]

  On 9/21/2021 at 6:08 AM, sek69 said:

 

Also that was the reason Bret got so upset at the "Sunny Days" comment. Not only was it an attempt at fucking up his personal life, he was accusing Bret of doing what he did IRL. 

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Bret may not have been sleeping with Sunny, but we has sleeping around behind his wife back, so he was doing his own job of messing up his marriage. 

[Dav'oh]

Flair's since-deleted Tweet on the matter:

"Every person that I've worked with, from my lawyer to my publicist to my wife has said not to post a response; but I've never run from past behaviors before and I'm not going to start now. I want to clarify a few things:

About four years ago, I gave ESPN full access to my life for a "30 for 30" special. They covered taxes, financial issues, adultery, divorces, the passing of my child and drinking/partying AT LENGTH.

Rory Kampf, desperate to matter for another 15 minutes, did an interview about it this morning. When Rory’s lips are moving, he's typically lying, but one part of what he said was the God's honest truth:

"I'd never heard that he had forced someone to touch his genitals,” Karpf admitted. "Everything with Ric that was construed as negative I tried to address in the 30 for 30. His drinking, his philandering, his adultery, his money problems, there's quite a bit, but never, at least in the people that I spoke to, no one ever brought up that he would force himself on somebody."

I allowed my personal life and the lives of my wife and children to be turned upside down for one reason: Whether it's good or bad, even the really bad, the truth has to matter. Even in wrestling.

My issues have been well documented over my 40+ year career. The impact of drinking too much (which nearly killed me 5 years ago) has been told time and time and time again. The reason Rory (or anyone else for that matter) never heard stories of me forcing myself on ANYONE is simple: it never happened."

 

[MoS]

He posted it again, but with the part specifying who told him not to post deleted:

 

[MoS]

For what it's worth, this was in Flair's own book, as a ringing endorsement to how he was The Man 

 

[NintendoLogic]

WWE did what they had to do. They removed Flair from their intro video and replaced him with someone of unimpeachable moral character.

[El-P]

Doing the helicopter with you dick doesn't make the world work, as they say.

Whatever. WWE. Then, now, forever.

[The Thread Killer]

  On 9/22/2021 at 4:28 PM, El-P said:

Doing the helicopter with you dick doesn't make the world work

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Well, it could in theory, if you spun it long enough and hard enough.  Unfortunately, we just don’t have enough raw scientific data to draw any serious conclusions as to  how much power could be derived from a helicopter penis turbine at this point. 

Scientists need to get on that.

 

[Blehschmidt]

  On 9/22/2021 at 7:43 PM, The Thread Killer said:

Well, it could in theory, if you spun it long enough and hard enough.  Unfortunately, we just don’t have enough raw scientific data to draw any serious conclusions as to  how much power could be derived from a helicopter penis turbine at this point. 

Scientists need to get on that.

 

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You may have just cured windmill cancer

[funkdoc]

Kanyon episode went...a lot easier on Taker than i expected.  If anything Cena looked worse just straight up saying "he wasn't any good" on Howard Stern in response to the homophobia accusations.  A bit disappointing tbh

[sek69]

Haven't watched yet, but saw a clip on Twitter where Jim Mitchell tells the tale of Kanyon calling him to take the heat for the giant box of gay porn that tumbled while people were helping him move. That was an impressive display of improv skills to find out your (best?) friend is gay and immediately go along with whatever story he came up with without missing a beat. 

[MoS]

I haven't caught the latest episode yet, but it seems they played that clip of Flair talking about Kanyon's personal choices, because he seems to be defending himself...again. This season hasn't been kind to him 

 

[sek69]

Flair and Cena really came off as assholes toeing the WWE line that he wasn't good enough. I tend to agree with Jericho, the whole Boy George thing was classic WWE bullying though. From the less-than-subtle symbolism of coming out of a box dressed like a gay stereotype, to Undertaker (the guy famously upset that he hurt Hulk Hogan until he checked the tape and realized he got worked) just killing him with chairshots including one to the head with the upper part of the chair. 

[sek69]

It really is pretty remarkable how pro wrestling went from only seeing homosexuality as something to get heel heat with to have several groups running entire cards devoted to people of all sexualities being open and honest about who they are. It's not perfect of course, but seeing it become more accepted than it's ever been in really a relatively short period of time is one of the really cool things that have happened.

[El-P]

Well that was a pretty hard watch toward the end as it triggered some pretty bad shit, but whatever...

From the very first opening video, I was amazed how Kanyon had come up with so many cool moves we see today, and we see today as being cool moves in 2021. I had totally forgotten he came up with the damn Hangman finisher ! 

Was a bit surprised to not have Raven on the show. However, although it always made sense to me that Brian Cage was paying homage to Kanyon considering his style, I had no idea he was actually his trainee (makes sense) and a friend. Gotta appreciate his honesty too. I thought he came off very well, he was spot on why Cena's stuff was bullshit, because of the social status of both. Cena really came off like a callous corporate asshole.

Jericho's line about typical WWE bullying was spot on. I actually had never seen the infamous Boy George stuff and wow it was so awful. Those chair shots too... 

Did not expect the Young Bucks, I had no idea either. Glad they were there. Hey DDP. I see that guy several times a week (DDP Yoga ya know).

And of course, the show was all about James Mitchell, who's like the greatest friend one can dream to have. My heart really sank for him at the end. I knew pretty much all the stories (maybe not the darkest) as I remembered a bunch from the infamous shoot interview he did with Raven after the funeral. 

I hope people are not gonna get caught into stupid Twitter shit about who said this who said that but rather remember how cool and innovative Kanyon was (Positively Kanyon was a riot). The show was a very nice tribute overall.

  On 9/24/2021 at 7:12 AM, sek69 said:

It really is pretty remarkable how pro wrestling went from only seeing homosexuality as something to get heel heat with to have several groups running entire cards devoted to people of all sexualities being open and honest about who they are. It's not perfect of course, but seeing it become more accepted than it's ever been in really a relatively short period of time is one of the really cool things that have happened.

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Agreed. Far from perfect, but it went from crowds chanting homophobic slurs (back in the good old days of "real heat" and "authenticity", ya know, not those awful fans who chant "This is awesome" and such) to having Nyla Rose, Sonny Kiss, Anthony Bowens or Kiera Hogan on TV and no one really giving it two thoughts.

[Zoo Enthusiast]

Kanyon episode was so sad.  The saddest stories to me are wrestlers who really LOVE the biz and wind up getting chewed up and spit out by it and are never able to shake that.  RIP.

[Robert S]

  On 9/24/2021 at 5:57 AM, sek69 said:

Flair and Cena really came off as assholes toeing the WWE line that he wasn't good enough.

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Cena was much worse than Flair from the clips they showed. Cena said that Kanyon was simply not good enough while Flair's point was that Kanyon's time has come and gone. I have not watched much WWE post 2001, so I don't know for sure, but considering the injuries Kanyon had in the last years of his WWE run, I guess it is safe to say that Kanyon was physically breaking down and to some degree his biggest calling card was being a big, tall guy who did insane (at least for the time) spots.

[funkdoc]

If anything it was more his mental state during that time that would’ve prevented another run in a major promotion, though if he could’ve found some semblance of peace i think he could’ve gotten something in the modern era

[sek69]

The FMW episode was fascinating.  It's funny to see Onita talking about Terry Funk the way Moxley probably feels about Onita.

[Zoo Enthusiast]

  On 10/1/2021 at 5:12 AM, sek69 said:

The FMW episode was fascinating.  It's funny to see Onita talking about Terry Funk the way Moxley probably feels about Onita.

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This felt like one that definitely needed two episodes.  The post-Onita/Hayabusa on top period could have used more fleshing out.

[sek69]

Probably, but it's a weird cultural thing in Japan where everyone acknowledges the Yakuza exists but it's a huge no-no to talk about them having their hands in "legit" business. They were all over pro wrestling and MMA in Japan in the 90s (you can see smartly dressed Yakuza folks in the front row at New Japan shows around that time often), and the embarrassment of being in debt to the mob was almost certainly the reason Arai took his life.  So you most likely weren't going to get any of the Japanese folks to talk about it beyond what was already in the show.

Plus there really wouldn't be that much to say. FMW could maybe have kept going without Onita, but losing Hayabusa was too much of a blow to overcome when the creative wasn't really any good (and they told Onita to GFTO already). Not to mention ECW showed us the other possible timeline for FMW, that kind of wrestling just has a short shelf life due to the toll it takes on the wrestlers as well as getting to the point where all the ultraviolence wasn't providing the shock factor needed to continue drawing. 

[Zoo Enthusiast]

Fair enough.  It just felt really rushed at the end.

[ohtani's jacket]

Arai went into hiding after FMW’s bankruptcy due to the fact that he owed so much money to the Yakuza. He killed himself so that his life insurance would pay off the debt, but apparently his wife’s father needed to continue paying off the debt for several years afterward. 

[El-P]

As an old FMW/Onita fan, everything about this is fascinating. The one thing they got wrong is that it's not Joan Jett's version of Wild Thing, it's X ! And Onita got axed from his own company before Fuyuki really got on with the atrocious "entertainment" stuff (can't believe I had to watch the circle piss and exploding asscrack footage again !), but that's a detail.

It's so cool they got to talk to the daughters of Hayabusa and Arai. It's probably undersold how much Hayabusa has influenced indy workers over the years. His story really is a such a sad and tragic one, as it was just bad luck, he did that move probably hundreds and hundreds of time. Arai was a really singular ring announcer, you can't think of Onita's classic era without thinking about the way he was announced, and the voice of Arai announcing the time left during the bomb matches.

The footage from Kudo's retirement is so grim (that ridiculous fireball and the totally unsafe powerpomb into the exploding wire outside, Shark Tsushiya was such an unprofessional bitch), she would have deserved more than an in-passing mention (not by name even), as she really took the role of Onita after he retired, she was the one carrying the promotion with the gory deathmatches much more than Hayabusa. That's the only real miss of the documentary.

I have no idea when this was shot, but Terry looked ok then. He's just the greatest. I legit cracked up at his mention of the idiots buying first row ticket for exploding deathmatches. 

Also, finally I get a translation of Onita's infamous crying promos !!! And I'm not disappointed !

There is so much that could be said about the whole thing, from the mad genius of Onita to the japanese culture of Yakuza ties that could be an episode into itself.

Also, struck me how Jericho really is the last of this generation, his career is quite incredible when you really think about it, having worked matches in the FMW, WAR (including the J-Cup), SMW, ECW, going through the Monday Night Wars, the WWE peaking, the Cena years, the Roman years, NJPW's latest peak and now AEW. He can tell stories about pretty much every topic from the last 30 years.