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ANOTHER Matt Hardy video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W5iRD1oyaSo

 

Contrast this with Bix's fav old school fat pilled up version:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4MT9r-ijpLA

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Yes, the Rock would have been an MMA star:

[Bix]

WWE Bret Hart Appreciation Night at Madison Square Garden report (Or "Why do so few wrestlers know how to work house show style?")

[Sean Liska]

Can't believe Bret dropped an elbow off the second rope. Wow.

[KrisZ]

How delusional is Rock, wrestling made him what he is today because he was protected and was made a star by WWE.

[Strummer]

great write up Bix

 

Show is great at working house shows

[Sean Liska]

Elbow at :20

 

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Can't believe Bret dropped an elbow off the second rope. Wow.

This guy has clips of the match, the crowd goes INSANE:

http://www.youtube.com/user/MrReggie216

 

The tribute ceremony in full:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZBo540jFzY

 

 

WWE Bret Hart Appreciation Night at Madison Square Garden report (Or "Why do so few wrestlers know how to work house show style?")

AKA why WWE show have a developmental in Louisville and/or Memphis

[tigerpride]

I was at the show, and thought it was fun. The crowd being hot for everything made the matches come off better

[Tim Evans]

WWE Bret Hart Appreciation Night at Madison Square Garden report (Or "Why do so few wrestlers know how to work house show style?")

AKA why WWE show have a developmental in Louisville and/or Memphis

 

Memphis wrestling is dead and judging by the recent OVW figures, so is Louisville.

 

I've been to about a dozen FCW house shows and they always tape them with a hard camera by where Dr. Tom Prichard sits.

[Resident Evil]

Yes, the Rock would have been an MMA star:

The biggest assests you need to make it in MMA before anything else is athletic ability and the right mindset. If Rock had decided back in the day to go into MMA instead of pro wrestling and prepared himself for it, there is no doubt in my mind that he would've made into MMA. I'd put big money on it that he'd do very well.

[Log]

WWE Bret Hart Appreciation Night at Madison Square Garden report (Or "Why do so few wrestlers know how to work house show style?")

AKA why WWE show have a developmental in Louisville and/or Memphis

 

Memphis wrestling is dead and judging by the recent OVW figures, so is Louisville.

 

I've been to about a dozen FCW house shows and they always tape them with a hard camera by where Dr. Tom Prichard sits.

 

To be fair, OVW's draw was always the idea that you could come see tomorrow's stars before they got called up. Now it's just a bunch of rejects and no-names.

 

Mitch Ryder's XCW Midwest drew fairly well for a promotion it's size. They may still, but I haven't been to a show for a while. I wouldn't totally say that people in the Louisville area aren't interested in wrestling anymore.

[tomk]

Del Rios has worked in front of Arena Mexico (among other large arenas) many times.

 

I could see someone saying that the criticism of him has always been that he worked for TV and not to the live crowd.

 

Still, if i get Bix's criticism it isn't question of being trained in front of large crowds...it's question of being trained to play to a "live audience" instead of to the camera.

[jdw]

Yes, the Rock would have been an MMA star:

The biggest assests you need to make it in MMA before anything else is athletic ability and the right mindset. If Rock had decided back in the day to go into MMA instead of pro wrestling and prepared himself for it, there is no doubt in my mind that he would've made into MMA. I'd put big money on it that he'd do very well.

 

I'm trying to figure out what martial arts background Rock had that would have made him a MMA guy of any note. He played football at The U. This isn't like Dr. Death who played football and was an NCAA wrestling All-American.

 

Rock's dad was a pro wrestler. It doesn't mean that Rock's dad was a *wrestler*. He, we don't even know if Rock can fight.

 

The difference between Rock and Brock is that Brock actually had a martial arts background: he was a NCCA champion wrestler.

 

In another generation people will be talking about how all those West Texas State guys would all have been big in MMA, and half the rubes will be buying the bullshit.

 

John

[1004Holds]

How delusional is Rock, wrestling made him what he is today because he was protected and was made a star by WWE.

I don't think WWE does a great job making stars most of the time. They have great marketing and arguably the widest audience though. That being said, I think Rock was just trolling the Internet with those comments and it's going to work like it always does.

[Bix]

Del Rios has worked in front of Arena Mexico (among other large arenas) many times.

 

I could see someone saying that the criticism of him has always been that he worked for TV and not to the live crowd.

 

Still, if i get Bix's criticism it isn't question of being trained in front of large crowds...it's question of being trained to play to a "live audience" instead o f to the camera.

Right, I don't mean big crowd vs small crowd, I mean live crowd vs camera. I was 6th row ringside and it was clear that it was a problem. IIRC a lot of the FCW training is geared towards working for the camera. A lot of the performances on the show would've come off much better on TV. I've liked Ziggler, Del Rio, Swagger, Slater, and Gabriel on TV (and sometimes Rhodes and McIntyre), but they were terribly bland in a house show environment even though they were not doing anything worse.

[Resident Evil]

Yes, the Rock would have been an MMA star:

The biggest assests you need to make it in MMA before anything else is athletic ability and the right mindset. If Rock had decided back in the day to go into MMA instead of pro wrestling and prepared himself for it, there is no doubt in my mind that he would've made into MMA. I'd put big money on it that he'd do very well.

 

I'm trying to figure out what martial arts background Rock had that would have made him a MMA guy of any note. He played football at The U. This isn't like Dr. Death who played football and was an NCAA wrestling All-American.

 

Rock's dad was a pro wrestler. It doesn't mean that Rock's dad was a *wrestler*. He, we don't even know if Rock can fight.

 

The difference between Rock and Brock is that Brock actually had a martial arts background: he was a NCCA champion wrestler.

 

In another generation people will be talking about how all those West Texas State guys would all have been big in MMA, and half the rubes will be buying the bullshit.

 

John

 

The biggst thing you need as a foundation to be a MMA star is athletic ability and the right mindset. Rock has both.

 

In the interview, he says that if MMA was as big as it was than he would've gone and tried his hand with MMA instead of professional wrestling. That means back in the 90s he would've trained specifically for MMA and do whatever training was necessary in that discipline to make it. You combine that training with his atheltic ability and the mindset he has. He would've made it as a MMA star. There is no doubt in my mind.

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The conversation took a funny turn there all I was saying is that the Southern style is house show style take to the nth degree.

[Johnny Sorrow]

Jesus Christ, that Rock interview is the biggest Non-story ever. It was Duane Johnson at an MMA show being interviewed by an MMA reporter. He plugged his movie and put over the show he was plugging his movie on by saying the stock answer of "I'd have considered the UFC if it had been as big as it is now!"

 

If Roller Derby suddenly hit huge and was on PPV and was the big thing you'd have Rock saying "I'm plugging my movie and I'd have considered Roller Derby!"

 

I read his awful book. He, and most guys in wrestling historically wanted to play in the NFL more than anything, if you're gonna go with the "What real sport would I have wanted to do" deal.

[kjh]

I'm not sure why we should believe anything Rock said in that interview given that Brock Lesnar was not the last person he wanted to wrestle, though to be fair it’s a good line for the MMA audience he’s trying to court for his latest film. Rock's just another insecure carny who would have rather made his millions being a real life tough guy rather than simply portraying that role in the silly world of professional wrestling, which is just a delusional dream, given that his athletic ability is really quite mediocre by UFC headliner standards.

[jdw]

The biggst thing you need as a foundation to be a MMA star is athletic ability and the right mindset. Rock has both.

 

In the interview, he says that if MMA was as big as it was than he would've gone and tried his hand with MMA instead of professional wrestling. That means back in the 90s he would've trained specifically for MMA and do whatever training was necessary in that discipline to make it. You combine that training with his atheltic ability and the mindset he has. He would've made it as a MMA star. There is no doubt in my mind.

Rock was a football player.

 

The number of college football players that have become MMA stars who had no wrestling or other martial arts background prior to going into MMA is... ?

 

I'm sure you can point out the guys similar to Rock who've done it and become "stars".

 

John

[Kronos]

Elbow at :20

 

Wow, Bret in the ring. Paul Bearer on SD! This is a good week for feel-good fandemonium.

 

Bret looks like he's having a great time in there.

[rovert]

Jesus Christ, that Rock interview is the biggest Non-story ever. It was Duane Johnson at an MMA show being interviewed by an MMA reporter. He plugged his movie and put over the show he was plugging his movie on by saying the stock answer of "I'd have considered the UFC if it had been as big as it is now!"

 

If Roller Derby suddenly hit huge and was on PPV and was the big thing you'd have Rock saying "I'm plugging my movie and I'd have considered Roller Derby!"

 

I read his awful book. He, and most guys in wrestling historically wanted to play in the NFL more than anything, if you're gonna go with the "What real sport would I have wanted to do" deal.

 

You have to put that in the context that the Rock regards Pro Wrestling & MMA as the same "biz" etc.

 

 

Elbow at :20

 

Wow, Bret in the ring. Paul Bearer on SD! This is a good week for feel-good fandemonium.

 

Bret looks like he's having a great time in there.

 

Bret moving out of the way at the last second after being held near the ropes made me weep with old school joy.

[tomk]

So I watched the clip. That's Rock promoting a movie, it's the same exact interview Scott Caan, Terry Crews or Jason statham would give in the same ri area.

 

I don't know if Rock thinks that Pro wrestling and MMA are the same biz or if he's an insecure pro wrestler.

Both may be true or neither.

 

But watching the actual interview it feels like he would have said the same thing at a poker or foosball tournament. Promote the movie and put over the local promotion and the fans of it.

[Loss]

So I watched the clip. That's Rock promoting a movie, it's the same exact interview Scott Caan, Terry Crews or Jason statham would give in the same ri area.

 

I don't know if Rock thinks that Pro wrestling and MMA are the same biz or if he's an insecure pro wrestler.

Both may be true or neither.

 

But watching the actual interview it feels like he would have said the same thing at a poker or foosball tournament. Promote the movie and put over the local promotion and the fans of it.

This.

 

Rock's answers to those questions say absolutely nothing about him as a person or performer or anything else. That doesn't necessarily mean that assumptions people make from watching the interview are false.