Log Posted October 25, 2010 Report Share Posted October 25, 2010 While Saturn had fallen on hard times, his friend The Rock was nice enough to pass down some of his old shirts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El-P Posted October 25, 2010 Report Share Posted October 25, 2010 Man, Terry Runnels hasn't aged gracefully either... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coffey Posted October 26, 2010 Report Share Posted October 26, 2010 Who the fuck did Sheamus piss off? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuttsy Posted October 26, 2010 Report Share Posted October 26, 2010 In FACT, come to think of it: what was with WCW's obsession with never letting the fans go home happy at the biggest show of the year? From 1995 onwards, the babyface never once got a clean, unambiguous, definitive win over the heel in the main event of Starrcade. The closest exception was when Piper beat Hogan, but even that was tainted with the "whaddya mean, it's a nontitle match?" stupidity. You can literally count on one hand the number of times that the babyface pinned the heel in a main event title match without outside interference or shenanigans at Starrcade. And there were always a whole bunch of heels going over and/or various fuck-finishes in the undercard. WHY. Why on earth did they keep booking it like that? Especially since they had a clear example in Wrestlemania every year that it was much more profitable to just let the people have some happy endings. They knew this didn't draw as well as the classic Babyface Wins The Big Match formula, but they kept doing it for decades anyway. About this, Bischoff has said several times, including the Essential Starrcade DVD if I recall correctly, that he never personally viewed Starrcade as the biggest event of the year. On the DVD he says some bullshit corporate mumbo jumbo about PPV buyrates not performing as well in December due to the holidays compared with other times of the year, although strangely enough I am pretty sure '97 performed pretty goddang well. But basically Bischoff didn't feel the same sense of nostalgia for the Starrcade name/brand as some of the older tenured rasslin' people in the office. Â I also want to say in one interview, or maybe a website blog, that he outright said Halloween Havoc (which Bischoff took on as a bit of a pet project, particularly trying to do good numbers in Vegas to impress the big wigs or something like that), Road Wild (another Bischoff pet project) and one more (maybe Souled Out? Bash at the Beach? One of those, I think) were all higher priorities to him than Starrcade. I don't remember the source but I swear I remember reading that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sek69 Posted October 26, 2010 Report Share Posted October 26, 2010 Road Wild was definitely important to him, as it was an excuse to go to Sturgis on the company dime. Who can forget the hilarity of Harlem Heat trying to be babyfaces to a crowd of bikers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El-P Posted October 26, 2010 Report Share Posted October 26, 2010 I always liked oddball outdoor settings, so I used to enjoy Road Wild quite a bit. It had a sleasy charm to it. Harlem Heat beating the Steiners, Benoit and Malenko working a NJ junior 30 minute draw, all that was bound to work in front of *that* crowd... Not to mention Jay Leno... How much money did they lose every year with this ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Sorrow Posted October 26, 2010 Report Share Posted October 26, 2010 Who the fuck did Sheamus piss off?No one. They're putting him in a program with Morrison. Morrison caused him to lose to Santino tonight. Â Listening to Meltzer and Alverez talk about it is hilarious, as neither of them saw that Morrison saved Santino in the corner, leading to the fluke win. Â This is, like, remedial pro wrestling angles 101. "Face causes beloved jobber pinning Super Dominent heel and then commence fued." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt D Posted October 26, 2010 Report Share Posted October 26, 2010 To be fair, Sheamus has been pushed steadily since January. He really is due his trademarked WWE depushing so that he doesn't start to think he's bigger than the company. And if I want to keep the pro wrestling internet cliches going, I could say that the fact that he's HHH's training buddy is obviously what's been protecting him up until now! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bix Posted October 26, 2010 Report Share Posted October 26, 2010 Awesome. Totally awesome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rovert Posted October 26, 2010 Report Share Posted October 26, 2010 Awesome. Totally awesome. Breaking the fourth wall Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coffey Posted October 26, 2010 Report Share Posted October 26, 2010 Who the fuck did Sheamus piss off?No one. They're putting him in a program with Morrison. Morrison caused him to lose to Santino tonight. Â Listening to Meltzer and Alverez talk about it is hilarious, as neither of them saw that Morrison saved Santino in the corner, leading to the fluke win. Â It's funny because I didn't see Morrison do that either, which isn't surprising because Morrison sucks at his job. What I saw was Santino fall down three different times when Sheamus went for the Brough Kick and then after the third miss of the kick, Santino just pinned Sheamus clean...after a slow count. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rovert Posted October 26, 2010 Report Share Posted October 26, 2010 Who the fuck did Sheamus piss off?No one. They're putting him in a program with Morrison. Morrison caused him to lose to Santino tonight.  Listening to Meltzer and Alverez talk about it is hilarious, as neither of them saw that Morrison saved Santino in the corner, leading to the fluke win.  It's funny because I didn't see Morrison do that either, which isn't surprising because Morrison sucks at his job. What I saw was Santino fall down three different times when Sheamus went for the Brough Kick and then after the third miss of the kick, Santino just pinned Sheamus clean...after a slow count. SO many people online are confused on that finish on a number of message boards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coffey Posted October 26, 2010 Report Share Posted October 26, 2010 The cut away too fast after the match, I think. It was too important that they get that STAND UP FOR WWE! shill video in there. They should have showed a replay of Morrison pulling Santino away (if he did) and then shown more of the reactions from both Santino for winning and of Sheamus for losing. Ya know? Just poorly executed. As it stands, it looks like Santino just pinned the former WWE champion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sean Liska Posted October 27, 2010 Report Share Posted October 27, 2010 Awesome. Totally awesome. They even kazooed to Benoit's old theme music. That's a remarkable attention to detail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kostka Posted October 27, 2010 Report Share Posted October 27, 2010 Question... How does Mando Guerrero rate as a worker against his brothers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bix Posted October 27, 2010 Report Share Posted October 27, 2010 He was very good but the least of the four. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Schneider Posted October 27, 2010 Report Share Posted October 27, 2010 Do we really have enough Mondo available to judge? That would be my knee jerk response too, but the Fujinami match from the 70's was easily better then any Hector singles I have seen. Clearly Chavo and Eddie were on another level, but I don't think we have the footage to judge the other two. Mondo was definitely the weirdest, as he would always do a bunch of british and maestro lucha mat stuff, and odd bumps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sek69 Posted October 27, 2010 Report Share Posted October 27, 2010 So according to Tuesday's daily Herb update, WWE is mad at Melina. Did she do something to warrant it or is this another case of Vince pulling a Monty Burns "cut those sideburns" routine? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coffey Posted October 27, 2010 Report Share Posted October 27, 2010 Well, I mean, she's really bad, so maybe that is the reasoning? I would even say Kelly Kelly is more entertaining than Melina nowadays. Yeah, I went there. Melina just seems like a liability to me and probably should have been fired a long time ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KrisZ Posted October 27, 2010 Report Share Posted October 27, 2010 Mando worked Northwest a little but other than that he mostly worked the dead LeBell promotion then SoCal indies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Evans Posted October 27, 2010 Report Share Posted October 27, 2010 So according to Tuesday's daily Herb update, WWE is mad at Melina. Did she do something to warrant it or is this another case of Vince pulling a Monty Burns "cut those sideburns" routine? Probably has to do with her basically being the female Matt Hardy. From all the stories i've heard, the only people that like her are Jillian and Morrison. And she's a youtube shooter now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KrisZ Posted October 27, 2010 Report Share Posted October 27, 2010 WWE signed the 20-year-old Shaul Guerrero (Eddy's daughter) over the last 24 hours and has sent her to FCW. Man time flies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bix Posted October 27, 2010 Report Share Posted October 27, 2010 WWE signed the 20-year-old Shaul Guerrero (Eddy's daughter) over the last 24 hours and has sent her to FCW. Man time flies.I'm shocked they didn't send her to Harley Race's school first as they often do. It's kinda creepy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KrisZ Posted October 27, 2010 Report Share Posted October 27, 2010 She looks like a model version of Vickie so I can see why they signed her. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kostka Posted October 28, 2010 Report Share Posted October 28, 2010 How does Chavo Jr rank against them at this point? Chavo has a boatload of good stuff in WWE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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