Ridiculous quotes from WO.com columnists

[rovert]

I really hope that I don't get kicked off this website, 'cause that would be something. This is a website that has a thread entitled 'Prostitots and Mini-tramps.' This is a website that has hundreds, maybe thousands, of pictures of underage girls, not nude, and not in violative (sic) of any child pornography laws, but really fuckin' creepy Mr. Jeff. And I'm afraid that I'm gonna get kicked off of this website.

Uhh What Now?

 

I can confirm all that, there is truth to the slightly jumped claim Bix made semi recently that the F4W board is "the 4chan of Pro Wrestling forums."

 

 

Jesus that is fucking awful, what the hell is wrong with Meltzer and Alverez?

 

More Alverez than Dave really. It has been on there for years. When the site merger happened the forum went into total fucking meltdown over the prospect of increased moderation due to presence of Dave and the Wrestling Observer on the site (essentially forum members thought the place would turn into Wrestling Classics or something over night). Pretty much that thread was one of the bargaining chips the forum members won during Bryan's attempts to return sanity to the board and gain support for the changes he was making. I'll stand up for a lot of things on that site which a few of you many look down upon but that thread isn’t one of them. In standing up for the F4W forum I will say that very few members post in that thread at all it, mainly it is the same confirmed creepy in real life guy over and over. Whenever someone brings up that they are taking a board related issue to Meltzer Bryan's stock answer is that Dave knows that the board is a cesspool so he doesnt really care but PLEASE note in saying this Im not saying that dave knows or tolerates that thread.

 

So what your are saying is that the people on the figure four board demanded that Alverez keep a kiddie porn thread open as a concession for allowing Dave Meltzer to join the site, and Alverez agreed to it? And Meltzer willing joined a site which not only has a kiddie porn thread, but made the continuation of the kiddie porn thread a prerequisite of the merger? That is basically indefensible.

 

I aint defending it at all, Phil just recapping it from my perspective and my memory. The way you are framing it here is that loads of members complained about the thread being deleted, that wasn’t the case it was a small few and mostly it was (and I know Eric will probably riff on this on Seguanda Caidia) about the principle of the board being censored or moderated in anyway almost like in a ACLU type of way.

 

I do remember Bryan doing a number of state of the forum speeches on his podcasts post merger and Bryan stating that that thread STAYS~! with caveat that he would be monitoring it heavy.

[Boondocks Kernoodle]

After being assured by Mr. Coughlin's rant on his show that there's nothing in that thread that is "in violative" of any laws, I decided to check it out and it's just pictures of girls in bikinis. Some of them probably are 18 or over (but not over by much) and some of them may be 16 or 17, but it's not "kiddie porn." That said, Alvarez really should rein in that stuff because it is creepy, but I'm sure Dave is oblivious to anything on that board that isn't in the wrestling or MMA sections.

[rovert]

After being assured by Mr. Coughlin's rant on his show that there's nothing in that thread that is "in violative" of any laws, I decided to check it out and it's just pictures of girls in bikinis. Some of them probably are 18 or over (but not over by much) and some of them may be 16 or 17, but it's not "kiddie porn." That said, Alvarez really should rein in that stuff because it is creepy, but I'm sure Dave is oblivious to anything on that board that isn't in the wrestling or MMA sections.

Even as someone with one trillion posts on there I think Ive only visited that topic a handful of times mainly to post how creepy it was, your honour. I do remember Vinny freaking out one day as someone had posted some very questionable pics of what he viewed as obviously underaged girls. That Mr Jeff 2000 dude is one of the creepiest posters on the internet ever, as well as posting in that thread a lot he makes other creepy threads with pictures I presume he takes at strip clubs, expos and shit like that.

[Bix]

For what it's worth, the "graphic or simulated lascivious exhibition of the genitals or pubic area" part of US child pornography law applies even if clothed so if there's anything along those lines at Figure 4Chan, they're fucked.

[Loss]

I'm a little confused. If this is a message board thread at F4W, shouldn't anyone be able to view it without us having to be told about its existence? Is it in a restricted access folder or something? If it is in a restricted access folder, that's sort of an admission of guilt, but if it isn't, can we get a hyperlink to confirm that this is real? I'm really trying my best to give Dave and Bryan the benefit of the doubt here, because I want this to be something exaggerated or made up completely.

[rovert]

I'm a little confused. If this is a message board thread at F4W, shouldn't anyone be able to view it without us having to be told about its existence? Is it in a restricted access folder or something? If it is in a restricted access folder, that's sort of an admission of guilt, but if it isn't, can we get a hyperlink to confirm that this is real? I'm really trying my best to give Dave and Bryan the benefit of the doubt here, because I want this to be something exaggerated or made up completely.

http://theboard.f4wonline.com/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=31692

 

It is in the "public" Pics or GTFO folder.

[Tim Evans]

Reminds me of Howard stern's board.

[Jingus]

It is in the "public" Pics or GTFO folder.

It's a members-only board, so it's not exactly open to just anyone who happens to wander by. Don't you need to be a subscriber in order to join?

 

For what it's worth, the "graphic or simulated lascivious exhibition of the genitals or pubic area" part of US child pornography law applies even if clothed so if there's anything along those lines at Figure 4Chan, they're fucked.

Our weird child pornography laws are stated in an incredibly vague manner, open to vast interpretation. Basically, it means whatever the authorities want it to mean. Some jurisdictions have even ruled that pics of legal adults who look underage can be counted as kiddy porn. It doesn't even have to be a photograph of a real person, drawings have been ruled to count as well. Technically, any pictorial representation of anything which could be interpreted as a child can be counted as porn under some of these statutes. (I'm not using this to defend what sounds like a damn creepy F4 thread, just pointing out that our laws are very fucking strange on this topic.)

 

I'm hearing this second hand but did Bryan really say that Terry Funk didn't know how to work when they were discussing Wargames 94?

Not exactly. Bryan was ranting about how great the traditional Wargames formula is, and how it works even when you've got crappy workers in the match; considering that this one included the Nasty Boys and Dusty 1994, he had a point. When it came to Funk, all he said was that Terry looked odd this night, like maybe he was drunk.

[Bix]

For what it's worth, the "graphic or simulated lascivious exhibition of the genitals or pubic area" part of US child pornography law applies even if clothed so if there's anything along those lines at Figure 4Chan, they're fucked.

Our weird child pornography laws are stated in an incredibly vague manner, open to vast interpretation. Basically, it means whatever the authorities want it to mean. Some jurisdictions have even ruled that pics of legal adults who look underage can be counted as kiddy porn. It doesn't even have to be a photograph of a real person, drawings have been ruled to count as well. Technically, any pictorial representation of anything which could be interpreted as a child can be counted as porn under some of these statutes. (I'm not using this to defend what sounds like a damn creepy F4 thread, just pointing out that our laws are very fucking strange on this topic.)

Pretty sure that's not the case.

[Jingus]

Pretty sure that's not the case.

I've seen American court cases where such rulings were stated. Of course, that was years ago, and I don't remember exactly what cases we're talking about in the "it can be an adult, but as long as they look young" factor. But I know for a fact that some dudes have been prosecuted for having creepy loli manga, which has been defined as kiddie porn. So it definitely doesn't have to be a photograph of a real person, a drawing on paper counts as far as the law's concerned in some states.

[Bix]

If it was the case I THINK it was overruled at some point though I could be wrong.

[Cox]

I'm hearing this second hand but did Bryan really say that Terry Funk didn't know how to work when they were discussing Wargames 94?

Not exactly. Bryan was ranting about how great the traditional Wargames formula is, and how it works even when you've got crappy workers in the match; considering that this one included the Nasty Boys and Dusty 1994, he had a point. When it came to Funk, all he said was that Terry looked odd this night, like maybe he was drunk.

 

Wait, he's going to complain about a War Games match that has Dusty, Dusty, Arn, Funk, Golden, and Fuller? I mean, say what you will about the Nasty Boys, I'm not a fan at all, but in a War Games cage surrounded with six of the best brawlers of that era, they aren't going to detract at all.

[tomk]

So I've read that Snowden article a couple times through now and have no idea how someone could read it as Snowden saying BJ Penn threw fights.

 

Yeah well not like Snowden is a saint on falsely claiming things, Bix.

What's the story here. Since becoming an MMA reporter what are the Snowden false claims?

 

It was labelled as a rant and Snowden could learn a thing or two about the sport from Coughlin.

Uhh. I'm not a Snowden fan but where is the smart Coughlin writing?

Was someone supposed to learn a thing or two from Coughlin's eulogy to Evan Tanner, his open letter to Fedor?

[rovert]

It is a personal situation that has nothing to do with his MMA reporting however as consequence it has made me lose all respect for him and his credibliity as a reporter is totally shot from my perspective.

 

Simply Mike is better at technically breaking down fights and understanding the fight business than Snowden is in my experience. He is more knowledgable too as for example he found a fair amount of errors in Snowden's book. I really cant comment on his columns as Ive never really read them honestly

[sek69]

From the sounds of it, rovert makes it look like Snowden trolled him on a message board (he's been known to do that) and he's mad about it.

 

Unless by personal situation you mean he stole your lunch money or something.

[Jingus]

Wait, he's going to complain about a War Games match that has Dusty, Dusty, Arn, Funk, Golden, and Fuller? I mean, say what you will about the Nasty Boys, I'm not a fan at all, but in a War Games cage surrounded with six of the best brawlers of that era, they aren't going to detract at all.

The issue was that most of those guys were past their prime. Some long past it, in the case of Dusty. And the Nastys were both either the first and second or second and third babyfaces in the cage, so they worked the majority of the match; and we all know, selling is not one of their strong points. Also not helping was that this was in the Hulkamania era of WCW, where the old Crockett blood and violence was being phased out and certainly didn't make for a friendly atmosphere for a classic Wargames bout.

[rovert]

From the sounds of it, rovert makes it look like Snowden trolled him on a message board (he's been known to do that) and he's mad about it.

Nope

[Isaacduke]

From the sounds of it, rovert makes it look like Snowden trolled him on a message board (he's been known to do that) and he's mad about it.

Nope

 

Did he fuck your wife? Quit being a goddamn tease.

[rovert]

Nope aint happening.

[Al]

Wait, he's going to complain about a War Games match that has Dusty, Dusty, Arn, Funk, Golden, and Fuller? I mean, say what you will about the Nasty Boys, I'm not a fan at all, but in a War Games cage surrounded with six of the best brawlers of that era, they aren't going to detract at all.

The issue was that most of those guys were past their prime. Some long past it, in the case of Dusty. And the Nastys were both either the first and second or second and third babyfaces in the cage, so they worked the majority of the match; and we all know, selling is not one of their strong points. Also not helping was that this was in the Hulkamania era of WCW, where the old Crockett blood and violence was being phased out and certainly didn't make for a friendly atmosphere for a classic Wargames bout.

 

I think it's a very good match myself. Dusty could still brawl. Funk was great in the match. And I don't think the Nasty Boys took away from it at all. It was well booked with Parker getting his at the end while Meng futilely tried to get into the cage. Honestly it was probably the last really good Wargames.

[Loss]

The Nasty Boys had a pretty strong year in 1994. Why it would surprise anyone that they would be involved in a great match where the focus is usually on brawling surprises me.

[Strummer]

The vignettes building to that match are absolutely hilarious with Dusty going to a bar to "recruit" the Nasties. The dialogue is of White Castle of Fear depth

[kjh]

"Listening to this, I kept thinking about what this show would sound like if Bischoff or Hogan said the things Chael did. And it's not like Chael has a better track record of telling the truth than them." - Todd Martin on Dave Meltzer's and Bryan Alvarez's Radio Show on the Chael Sonnen hearings.

[El-P]

The Nasty Boys had a pretty strong year in 1994. Why it would surprise anyone that they would be involved in a great match where the focus is usually on brawling surprises me.

1994 is probably the peak of the Nastys, not that were much better than usual, but they got involved in more really good matches than ever that year. The first half of 1994 in WCW was terrific anyway, some of the best PPV's ever. I love the War Games match, the only drawback to me is the lack of blood.

[Loss]

Yeah, I think it was more a case of Sags and Knobs being booked in matches that completely played to their strengths than any type of renaissance. But yeah, those Slamboree and Spring Stampede tags felt like they were out of W*ING instead of WCW.