Johnny Sorrow Posted May 7, 2020 Report Share Posted May 7, 2020 4 hours ago, Mad Dog said: That is a big question I think the comic book industry is facing down to. When people have been broken of the habit and ritual of watching Raw or going to the shop for books how many are going to stop and realize they made better use of the time and money and not come back. I think that's a real risk for WWE and comic books. I could see AEW and to a lesser extent NXT recovering because Wednesday Night seems like only the hardcores tune in for. Comics can embrace online distribution. It'll kill the comic book shop business worse than the fall of the 90's boom. edit: But to be honest, I feel the same way about reading comics on a screen as I do watching wrestling without a crowd. Even if I hated a crowd's reactions or lack of reactions, or chants that are about getting themselves over... a crowd is essential. The crowd is part of the show, for better or worse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarpetCrawler Posted May 7, 2020 Report Share Posted May 7, 2020 3 hours ago, MoS said: MJ was clearly a huge bully to Krause and I should feel bad for Krause but then I see that interview where he smugly says again and again that it's the organization that is responsible for the success and not just the team, and I am like, whatever fuck him. In Krause's defense, which I hate saying out loud for a lot of the same reasons everyone else does, he spent the rest of his life arguing that he was quoted completely out of context. And knowing Krause, he 100% would own up to the stuff he'd say no matter how controversial it was (he LOVED the negative attention he would get because his massive Vince McMahon-like ego absolutely adored getting any sort of attention), so I'll cut him a little slack there and take his word in that he was quoted out of context. Also, he was 100% in the right that trading Charles Oakley for Bill Cartwright was what Chicago needed to win their first few rings and it took way, way too long for Michael to admit he had to take an L on that argument. It took the trade to New York for Oakley to realize he was never going to be the scoring jump shooter he desperately wanted to be in Chicago, and Cartwright gave the Bulls a legit elbow banger in the middle during the playoffs to combat the big stiffs in especially the Eastern Conference. Cartwright's elbows once knocked out Charles Barkley for pete's sake. Dude had a rep and owned up to it completely. I didn't like Jerry Krause as a person because he was just a giant ass, but I can't deny the dude was a genius at finding young talent, even though a lot of them blossomed after they left Chicago in the later years. And if anything, Michael Jordan for all of the shittalking he directed towards Krause while he was a Bull, proved he knew jack and shit about running or managing a team after he retired, which everyone has always been afraid to tell Michael to his face for decades now. 3 hours ago, KawadaSmile said: Yes! That's the one. I can only imagine the fun he had. That whole roster of very peculiar (and sometimes stylish) with a selfless playstyle must've been a joy. It's insane how they managed to overcome that Lakers big 3. Dick Barnett's shot was so ugly yet it somehow dropped in every single time!! Completely absurd. Yeah, You really do feel for Jerry West especially knowing that his body was breaking down at the end there, as was Elgin Baylor's. Even in that 69-70 season Wilt missed most all of the entire season. Both the Knicks and the Lakers were completely banged up that year and because of that it was the only competitive Finals series between the both of them. The Lakers stomped all over the Knicks in '72 (which the Knicks even GETTING to the Finals that year considering they lost Willis Reed for almost the entire season is wild in itself), and the Knicks did the same to the Lakers in '73!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoS Posted May 7, 2020 Report Share Posted May 7, 2020 1 hour ago, CarpetCrawler said: In Krause's defense, which I hate saying out loud for a lot of the same reasons everyone else does, he spent the rest of his life arguing that he was quoted completely out of context. And knowing Krause, he 100% would own up to the stuff he'd say no matter how controversial it was (he LOVED the negative attention he would get because his massive Vince McMahon-like ego absolutely adored getting any sort of attention), so I'll cut him a little slack there and take his word in that he was quoted out of context. I was not talking about his infamous comments during the 1998 season. I am talking about him being interviewed on camera after winning the first (or second?) time. I am not even saying he was wrong, but that is just about the stupidest time to try and publicly take credit even as the team is crying and celebrating in the background. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarpetCrawler Posted May 7, 2020 Report Share Posted May 7, 2020 30 minutes ago, MoS said: that is just about the stupidest time to try and publicly take credit even as the team is crying and celebrating in the background. yup, dude was a giant chode. The Vince McMahon comparison is way more accurate than people think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El-P Posted May 7, 2020 Report Share Posted May 7, 2020 6 hours ago, KawadaSmile said: Speaking of Orlando, it seems Karrion Kross and Scarlett (why remove her last name dammit) won't be lasting long in NXT. And their you go. Scarlett Bordeaux had a unique flair to it, it was an awesome name (and yes, the fact I basically come from Bordeaux made it even better to me, if only for the way everyone tried to pronounce it). Well at least that way she can use it back when she leaves/gets fired eventually. Stupid people. Hey, good for them if they get main event money. Then when Vince decide this killer looking guy with odd tatoos can't be with the hot girl, good luck... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KawadaSmile Posted May 7, 2020 Author Report Share Posted May 7, 2020 10 hours ago, El-P said: Hey, good for them if they get main event money. Then when Vince decide this killer looking guy with odd tatoos can't be with the hot girl, good luck... The lip-sync might be cringe to some, but the song+entrance itself is money. Makes Black's entrance (who is also really damn good and it's a shame it'll take a while until it reaches a bigger stage) look moderate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El-P Posted May 7, 2020 Report Share Posted May 7, 2020 45 minutes ago, KawadaSmile said: The lip-sync might be cringe to some, but the song+entrance itself is money. So I watched it on Youtube. Well, I don't like it for the simple reason that it makes sure there will be nothing, ever again, organic about Scarlett's entrance. She has a great personality, it's her strongest point, and now she's already been turned into a complete animatronic entrance. The lip-sync in itself is not the issue, really, Taiichi made an art of trolling out of it, but it's just overproduced. Well, it's WWE. Doesn't give me the itch to follow them in NXT (and they were favourites of mine), really, but then again, I would probably quit after two minutes of Mauro... More power to them if they are successful... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Thread Killer Posted May 7, 2020 Report Share Posted May 7, 2020 Overproduced is the perfect word for...whatever the hell that was. That looked like a giant steaming pile of ridiculous shite to me. Besides, even if that was good...it doesn't matter. This is WWE. One minute you're in NXT with a big entrance and starting to build momentum, the next you're on RAW, teaming with Ricochet and losing to The New Day while they dance around as they throw pancakes. There is zero reason to get excited about anything in WWE, or to get behind any new act. It's pretty much a given at this point that WWE will screw it up. Especially if the fans actually get behind it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.S. Posted May 8, 2020 Report Share Posted May 8, 2020 8 hours ago, El-P said: I would probably quit after two minutes of Mauro... I haven't watched NXT in weeks - like everything else in WWE, it is stale, overproduced, inorganic garbage now - but I refuse to believe Mauro isn't carrying the show on his back... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rovert Posted May 8, 2020 Report Share Posted May 8, 2020 21 hours ago, El-P said: And their you go. Scarlett Bordeaux had a unique flair to it, it was an awesome name (and yes, the fact I basically come from Bordeaux made it even better to me, if only for the way everyone tried to pronounce it). Well at least that way she can use it back when she leaves/gets fired eventually. Stupid people. Hey, good for them if they get main event money. Then when Vince decide this killer looking guy with odd tatoos can't be with the hot girl, good luck... "Scarlett Bordeaux" means brothel basically. It wasn't going to fly in WWE. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El-P Posted May 8, 2020 Report Share Posted May 8, 2020 4 hours ago, rovert said: "Scarlett Bordeaux" means brothel basically. It wasn't going to fly in WWE. Care to elaborate ? Is there something specific about that name that evoques a brothel ? Or is it just like Angelina Love (or Alexa Bliss BTW), which totally sounds like a random pornstar/hooker name ? Because from where I stand, it evoques red wine more than anything else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KawadaSmile Posted May 8, 2020 Author Report Share Posted May 8, 2020 Does it have something to do with "red light district"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilTLL Posted May 8, 2020 Report Share Posted May 8, 2020 A bordello is a whorehouse. Scarlet Chateau would be an obvious whore reference. But not Bordeaux. Now that I check out her gimmick and look, it seems like the name might supposed to be a bit cheeky and slutty (does she do a terrible accent?), but certainly not an explicit whore thing. I couldn't really establish a shared etymology between bordello and Bordeaux, either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KawadaSmile Posted May 8, 2020 Author Report Share Posted May 8, 2020 Well, "bordeaux" and "brothel" do sound similar in Portuguese, but to assume that would be indeed what they were going after is a reach. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El-P Posted May 8, 2020 Report Share Posted May 8, 2020 Yeah, sorry but I've seen no trace whatsoever anywhere that could link that name to a brothel. This just seems like usual WWE random fucking with your gimmick. Hey, good for her, when she leaves eventually she'll be able tu use Bordeaux again. 11 minutes ago, PhilTLL said: I couldn't really establish a shared etymology between bordello and Bordeaux, either. My city ain't no whoreshouse !!! 12 minutes ago, PhilTLL said: Now that I check out her gimmick and look, it seems like the name might supposed to be a bit cheeky and slutty (does she do a terrible accent?), but certainly not an explicit whore reference. I have every confidence in the world in WWE to NOT understand what her character is. Scarlett can be the slutty bitch heel a-la Beautiful People (way more classy though) but she really shines in the Maryline Monroe-like character, meaning she's actually super good in working comedy while still coming off bad-ass. So yeah, no chance in hell they won't fuck that up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El-P Posted May 8, 2020 Report Share Posted May 8, 2020 9 minutes ago, KawadaSmile said: Well, "bordeaux" and "brothel" do sound similar in Portuguese, but to assume that would be indeed what they were going after is a reach. It sounds even closer in French (bordel), but there's no link whatsoever and to make any kind of analogy between the two is mind-blowing. It's like saying you can't call anyone Dick because... you know... dicks. The idea of the name Scarlett Bordeaux evoking anything other that red vine is so stupid. I mean. Scarlet... Bordeaux.... FOR FUCK'S SAKE. Oh anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KawadaSmile Posted May 8, 2020 Author Report Share Posted May 8, 2020 Yeah, it's spelled the same here (bordeaux is spelled bordô, same pronunciation), but it's more delicate sounding in French. It's a shame. Scarlett Bordeaux is an amazing ring name. If you ask me, it's a bit classy, even. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El-P Posted May 8, 2020 Report Share Posted May 8, 2020 2 minutes ago, KawadaSmile said: It's a shame. Scarlett Bordeaux is an amazing ring name. If you ask me, it's a bit classy, even. Of course it is. It doesn't sound trashy at all, because her character is not trashy unlike the BPs (which is why the BPs did not work very well as babyfaces). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilTLL Posted May 8, 2020 Report Share Posted May 8, 2020 20 minutes ago, El-P said: Yeah, sorry but I've seen no trace whatsoever anywhere that could link that name to a brothel. This just seems like usual WWE random fucking with your gimmick. Hey, good for her, when she leaves eventually she'll be able tu use Bordeaux again. My city ain't no whoreshouse !!! I have every confidence in the world in WWE to NOT understand what her character is. Scarlett can be the slutty bitch heel a-la Beautiful People (way more classy though) but she really shines in the Maryline Monroe-like character, meaning she's actually super good in working comedy while still coming off bad-ass. So yeah, no chance in hell they won't fuck that up. Yeah I would think of (certain aspects of) Marilyn Monroe's persona as cheekily sexy/slutty, "sex kitten" as they said back then, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stiva Posted May 8, 2020 Report Share Posted May 8, 2020 “Scarlett” seems a fine name to me. Shortening that one is way less stupid than taking guys first names from them. Lest we forget MURPHY Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NintendoLogic Posted May 9, 2020 Report Share Posted May 9, 2020 That Kross entrance was some embarrassing tryhard edgelord shit. All the elaborate jerkoff entrances in NXT are as much of a turnoff to me as the heavy-handed melodrama in the matches. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loss Posted May 9, 2020 Report Share Posted May 9, 2020 I know people were raving about it, but I just didn't get it. There are already too many goth characters in wrestling. What was with the lip synching? Maybe someone can explain to me why it was good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Evans Posted May 9, 2020 Report Share Posted May 9, 2020 The Lip syncing was pretty cringe but I liked the entrance. Anything is an improvement over Gargano and Ciampa. I hope Kross beats Cole in like 5 minutes to send him to Smackdown. Speaking of Smackdown. Mandy/Sonya was good on this week's episode. Love me some trash talking angry Sonya. Her vs Sasha could be good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sek69 Posted May 9, 2020 Report Share Posted May 9, 2020 10 minutes ago, Loss said: I know people were raving about it, but I just didn't get it. There are already too many goth characters in wrestling. What was with the lip synching? Maybe someone can explain to me why it was good. The song was pretty cool, Kross was bad ass and menacing looking. Scarlett's part was pretty bad/borderline embarrassing and probably only didn't get completely dunked on because she's hot and was dressed like a goth stripper. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sek69 Posted May 9, 2020 Report Share Posted May 9, 2020 Also I'm pretty sure it's been mentioned before, but the hard cam and the mobile cams being a different framerate on Smackdown is visually jarring and annoying once your eye notices it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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