Matt D Posted July 21, 2020 Report Share Posted July 21, 2020 I feel like CMLL has candidates. Negro Casas had the team with Santo, the Mistico team, and the overachieving team with Shocker (mainly vs Ingobernables) and a million trios matches. Likewise Ultimo Guerrero. Or a guy like Mephisto. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WingedEagle Posted July 21, 2020 Report Share Posted July 21, 2020 I'm not as high on Cesaro in general as many seem to be, but while I think of him as a good worker I find it hard to distinguish his work in tags from what he does in singles. For purposes of this discussion I'm drawn to names that distinguish themselves in that format whether it be the Bucks or even a Roderick Strong this century or a Morton, Eaton or Kobashi from decades past. Those are names where they not only excel in a tag setting but their performance varies to fit such a match. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alucard Posted July 21, 2020 Report Share Posted July 21, 2020 I agree with the Robert Roode mention. Beer Money was excellent for years having great matches with every team around that time, then he had the Aries team which produced lots of good stuff in a shorter timeframe. Then in WWE, his team with Chad Gable was fantastic. They had my favorite Revival matches there, great series. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jmare007 Posted July 21, 2020 Report Share Posted July 21, 2020 Cesaro ain't better than Sekimoto as a tag wrestler. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coffey Posted July 21, 2020 Report Share Posted July 21, 2020 I've always thought that Billy Gunn was an overlooked tag team wrestler. He might not be the best worker but you can't deny, his tag teams were all over: Billy & Chuck, Smoking Gunns, New Age Outlaws. And whenever anyone tried to use him solo, it didn't work. That dude has a strong decade of tag teams. I mean obviously he doesn't touch someone like Ricky Morton or Bobby Eaton or anything like that, let's not get crazy, I just wanted to name drop & acknowledge Mr. Ass. I do think I'd put him over Cesaro though, but I did love The Bar. Mostly because I'm a Sheamus mark more so than big on Cesaro. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.S. Posted July 21, 2020 Report Share Posted July 21, 2020 Made this same point to a friend today or yesterday about Cesaro. Absolutely! The sheer variety of partners and consistent excellence throughout puts Cesaro over the top for me. Think of your least favorite current wrestler - whoever that is - and you're still guaranteed a great or at least compelling team if Cesaro is in it. BTW, I assume the thread title was something else/misleading at first? Because Eaton certainly wasn't a major player this century. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KawadaSmile Posted July 21, 2020 Author Report Share Posted July 21, 2020 8 hours ago, C.S. said: BTW, I assume the thread title was something else/misleading at first? Because Eaton certainly wasn't a major player this century. It was about if he was the best tag wrestler EVER but that would make the thread useless as he's not touching Eaton or Morton. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenese Sarwieh Posted July 21, 2020 Report Share Posted July 21, 2020 His great but I can't say he's the best of this century. Don't get me wrong I love his work and he is always the standout of every tag team he's in it's most of the tag teams his was in are not consistent in putting out great performances as a whole. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Memphis Mark Posted July 22, 2020 Report Share Posted July 22, 2020 I think it is Mark and Jay for the 2000's . . The Briscoes have been working at a high level for 20 years.Working with the Briscoes really helped elevate the carrers of Aries/ Strong , Steen / Generico , KOW and the Bucks . I never got my AMW / Briscoes match . Holding out hope for Briscoes and FTR . All time it is Bobby Eaton , then Dennis Condry and Stan Lane . Bobby carried George Gulas , then went on to to tag with Koko Ware , Dennis Condry and Stan Lane. All money draws. Also Bobby has his great singles feud with Randy Savage in the Gulas territory . Phil Hickerson and Dennis Condry were just magically in the ring. After Phil had his short retirement , Dennis formed great teams with Dr. D , Randy Rose, Norvell Austin and Bobby Eaton . Stan had his run in Florida with Bryan St. John . Then work as part of a three man team with Condry and Rose in Mobile , the unoffical beginning of the Midnight Express. Then Stan went to Memphis a worked a part heel team with Koko Ware. Then he turned face and formed the Fabs with Steve Keirn . Of course later he Bobby teamed up in JCP. Stan was part of two money drawing teams . One team worked heel and the other baby face. Stan has one hell of a tag team legacy . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirEdger Posted July 23, 2020 Report Share Posted July 23, 2020 Interesting. I had always thought that Norvell Austin was considered an original member of the Midnight Express with Condrey & Rose, not Stan Lane. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El McKell Posted July 23, 2020 Report Share Posted July 23, 2020 On 7/21/2020 at 3:07 AM, Jmare007 said: Cesaro ain't better than Sekimoto as a tag wrestler. Daisuke Sekimoto isn't someone who'd come to my mind when asked a question like this, but yeah he's got a really substantial body of work of great tags Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
concrete1992 Posted July 30, 2020 Report Share Posted July 30, 2020 For me it is no question. I sort of disregard folks like Briscoes, Bucks, etc. cause those are such defined units. Jay or Mark never broke off and teamed with other folks for a period of time to show they could make something else work. That is no shame I just don't know how to separate their individual tag team abilities compared to being part of this great team. The case for Cesaro is straight forward so if you don't agree with the premise it isn't going to be something you can be persuaded on. He has been part of many teams that all have had really good matches. You got Kidd, Hero, Swagger, Sheamus, and if someone wanted to say the team with Ares is worth commending him on as it is one of the fewer times where he heads the driving force of a promotion, sure. I loved Beer Money and MCMG, but can't fathom having Shelley, Storm, or Roode (which, honestly shocked me he was brought up) outranking him. Saying he might only rank if you WWE on a curve feels in bad faith for a wrestler who has been good-great his entire WWE run even in stretches (and there have been many) where the overall quality of the WWE wrestling has been dire. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Memphis Mark Posted July 31, 2020 Report Share Posted July 31, 2020 On 7/23/2020 at 12:10 AM, SirEdger said: Interesting. I had always thought that Norvell Austin was considered an original member of the Midnight Express with Condrey & Rose, not Stan Lane. Stan Lane just worked six man with Rose and Condrey. The three did not have a team name. After Lane went to Memphis, Dennis and Randy became the Midnight Express. Norvell Austin join the two later. If memory serves me correct Norvell turned on Jerry Stubbs during a match against the MX . I got the Wrestling News via mail back in the day . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supersonic Posted August 5, 2020 Report Share Posted August 5, 2020 Roderick Strong is the only one that can challenge him, and them teaming one day might be too much greatness. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeg Posted August 6, 2020 Report Share Posted August 6, 2020 Off the top of my head- Daisuke Sekimoto- In the last two decades, the guy has had over 20 tag title runs across a half dozen promotions and a dozen or so different tag partners, and his matches are consistently good to great. Karl Anderson- Multiple championship runs in NJPW and WWE tagging with Gallows. Championship runs in Japan tagging with Bernard and a long run tagging with Joey Ryan on the Cali indies. Negro Casas- In the last two decades he's had 5 tag title runs with Santo, Mistico and Shocker as well as countless 6 man title runs. He had the whole Mistico feud and the whole Peste Negra vs Los Ingobernales feud. Harry Smith- Was one half of maybe my favorite WWE tag champs in recent memory with Tyson Kidd. Then went to Japan had several title reigns in NOAH and NJPW with Lance Archer and in between has had several interesting tag runs on the indies tagging with a wide variety of people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Microstatistics Posted August 11, 2020 Report Share Posted August 11, 2020 What could hurt Cesaro's case is lack of high-end, memorable stuff. Sure, there is a lot of solid stuff here and there but is there a standout Cesaro tag? The 2009 Chikara tag with Bryan is the only one I can think of. Daisuke Ikeda is probably my pick for this century. Kobashi might be the all time pick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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