subatomic_elbow Posted October 25, 2022 Report Share Posted October 25, 2022 11 hours ago, Dale Wolfe said: I think the AEW roster was in much better state before they started to take on the WWE offcut bloat, to be honest. I can see the merit to Danielson, to Moxley, even Punk for all his faults (and i did quite like his grumpy old man character) but its still old ideas and faces who didn't exactly set the world alight in WWE They would have been much better trying to be the fresh promotion that didnt have all the WWE rejects. Would have saved them all this bother, too. Danielson's huge lack of ego is causing them problems as well, really. Big money deal to basically get a high quality mid-card worker I couldn't agree more. It is a feel bad watching the Covid-era AEW Originals winnow away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strobogo Posted October 25, 2022 Report Share Posted October 25, 2022 17 hours ago, Embrodak said: Love ya, stro, but your personal dislike of CM Punk is, frankly, a lot stronger than most of his stans' love of him. Been following you since the GAF and Legit Shook days, and you talked shit about things he was *right* about, like the lawsuit he won against the WWE doctor, arguing that he was complaining about behaviors that any big company would have engaged in. Right or wrong, I don't think there's a world where you would have given him a fair hearing in all of this. On-topic: I'm sorry, but no matter how much Punk's Bret Hart-gumming annoyed anybody on a personal or aesthetic level, the notion that AEW is better off with Moxley, Jericho, the Bucks, and Omega as the tastemakers and advice-givers is fucking ludicrous. Every one of them but Moxley is operating off of a perception of wrestling that is two or three years passe at this point, and Moxley is basically just doing shitty Terry Funk - which is to say, doing basically the same thing CM Punk is doing, just with a different icon as the locus of his imitation game. The proof anyone needs that AEW is not a serious company with long-term potential is that literally no major promotion in history with even half a mind toward its own aggrandizement and growth would want to kick CM Punk out over the shit that transpired at All Out. Put him on a tighter leash, sure. Give him less dates, maybe. Spend millions buying his contract out? That's something you can literally only do if you have a billionaire daddy who just wants to see you happy and playing with your inheritance before he dies. I don't care how "wrong" he is, an unwillingness or inability to make money off of all this is a Deadly Carny Sin. That's setting aside how silly it is to create a locker room where your creative vision and business strategy holds basically no water with people as compared to their personal relationships with a coterie of insiders. I don't really see it as a personal dislike of him, I think it is fair to point out he's always been this guy and always will be that guy. There are stories of him being a caustic asshole or guy thinking he's the locker room leader and people should listen to him from his earliest times in the business. Damn near every guy he's been associated with, he's had a bad falling out with or they actually were never friends to begin with. Punk is the absolute king of self-sabotage. The guy was out of the business for 7 1/2 years. The business didn't need him to come back. AEW didn't need him to come back. WWE didn't need him to come back. The business is not going to miss him leaving again. My argument is that I don't feel there is even a choice to be made over him or Kenny/Bucks. I don't remember shit what I did or didn't post on GAF or LS 7 years ago, I was wild drunk constantly during that time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sek69 Posted October 25, 2022 Report Share Posted October 25, 2022 As someone who enjoys watching all four people involved (I even bought a CM Punk shirt when AEW released it), it'd rather have one of the four missing from the company as opposed to three. Just looking it from a math perspective. Ironic in retrospect that the thing that turned him into a hero to the masses (WWE's medical treatment of him) might have been the only time where he wasn't in a situation he caused himself. Also, if nothing else Punk deserves to be rocketed into the Sun just for his comments at the press conference alone. I know Tony sat there like a lump when it happened and that's on him, but there's absolutely no way you can keep someone who just took a giant shit on your company publicly like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dav'oh Posted October 26, 2022 Report Share Posted October 26, 2022 Punk, knowing he's injured and about to become yesterday's news / tomorrow's fish 'n chips wrapper, somehow contrives to still -nearly two months later - be even more talked about than when he was wrestling. He's easily #1 most-mentioned here at PWO. Punk returns from seven-month injury layoff? Meh. Like, happy to see him, but we've been here before. Punk returns from the gripebomb? People would "lose their shit' as the kids say. Ratings, publicity, intrigue, MONEY. Money. Money. Money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KawadaSmile Posted October 27, 2022 Report Share Posted October 27, 2022 He should start a podcast and talk his shit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sek69 Posted October 27, 2022 Report Share Posted October 27, 2022 I mean it was one of the biggest stories in wrestling and probably would have been *the* biggest had Vince not fucked off this year. Of course it's going to be talked about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strobogo Posted October 27, 2022 Report Share Posted October 27, 2022 I feel like the Vince thing actually has not been a big story at all. Everyone moved on immediately and was happy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sek69 Posted October 27, 2022 Report Share Posted October 27, 2022 6 minutes ago, strobogo said: I feel like the Vince thing actually has not been a big story at all. Everyone moved on immediately and was happy. Vince being gone was the biggest wrestling story arguably ever. The guy who for all intents and purposes *was* pro wrestling to like 85% of the world not being around on a day to day basis is huge. Just because WWE didn't fall like a Jenga stack without him doesn't negate that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricky Jackson Posted October 27, 2022 Report Share Posted October 27, 2022 The end of Vince was huge of course, but considering how HUGE we all thought the end of Vince would be in our minds, I was surprised how quickly the story cycled out and everyone just stopped talking about it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sek69 Posted October 27, 2022 Report Share Posted October 27, 2022 Vince's greatest feat was basically setting WWE on autopilot so when the time came for him to not be around for whatever reason not much would change. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strobogo Posted October 27, 2022 Report Share Posted October 27, 2022 30 minutes ago, Ricky Jackson said: The end of Vince was huge of course, but considering how HUGE we all thought the end of Vince would be in our minds, I was surprised how quickly the story cycled out and everyone just stopped talking about it I think part of it is that's just how everything is in the news cycle now, but also because outside of the one show where Steph announced Vince was retiring, he's not been mentioned again, the associated stories surrounding the situation dropped out of media coverage almost immediately as Vince was gone. He's not even in the opening anymore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.S. Posted October 27, 2022 Author Report Share Posted October 27, 2022 Punk's dog was apparently injured during the brawl. If so... FUCK KENNY OMEGA FUCK THE YOUNG BUCKS FUCK TONY KHAN Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sek69 Posted October 27, 2022 Report Share Posted October 27, 2022 Larry apparently got hit by the door when it was kicked open, which sucks, but it's not like it was deliberate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tetsujin Posted October 27, 2022 Report Share Posted October 27, 2022 So they did kicked the door then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sek69 Posted October 27, 2022 Report Share Posted October 27, 2022 I think everyone already agreed on that, but yes this pretty much confirms the door was kicked in. It would explain why Punk was upset and also why Kenny was more concerned about protecting the dog while Ace Steel was chomping on his arm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheDuke Posted October 27, 2022 Report Share Posted October 27, 2022 Wait, was the door locked and that's why the Bucks kicked it in? Did they knock first and Punk told them to go away? Did they Superkick the door open? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El-P Posted October 27, 2022 Report Share Posted October 27, 2022 Sure, of all the things that had been reported, and BTW what was reported always came from Punk's side and not the Elite, for those who bother, the fact a FUCKING DOG got injured just did not slip through before. Like it was not something that would have got out immediately and get *everyone*'s sympathy toward Punk, despite his melt-down. Just now that Steel has been fired and Punk basically is on the outs and the Elite is coming back, Punk's camp adds a "Oh BTW, my dog got injured". Sure... As Bix put it : And really now, "none of the stuff at the scrubs seemed like a big deal", but Hangman's little dig during a promo was enough for him to lose his shit ? Seriously now. 8 minutes ago, TheDuke said: Wait, was the door locked and that's why the Bucks kicked it in? Did they knock first and Punk told them to go away? Did they Superkick the door open? That got a legit laugh out of me. Previous details agreed upon before was that the dog was across the room with Steel's wife, and now he had his teeth knocked out by a locked door that was kicked in ? And this part of the story never was told before while everybody agrees Steel threw a chair and Punk punched a guy ? And there's this stuff about Omega actually trying to get the dog out of the way to protect him too. This is really getting confused now... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El-P Posted October 27, 2022 Report Share Posted October 27, 2022 7 hours ago, Ricky Jackson said: The end of Vince was huge of course, but considering how HUGE we all thought the end of Vince would be in our minds, I was surprised how quickly the story cycled out and everyone just stopped talking about it Because no one wants to talk about Vince being outed of WWE for being a sexual predator. Everyone is too busy praising Triple H for saving pro-wrestling again. Vince being erased is comfy for everyone involved, especially since the company is hotter that's it's been in a while (which, honestly, began under Vince's last months). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El-P Posted October 27, 2022 Report Share Posted October 27, 2022 On 10/25/2022 at 11:27 PM, strobogo said: I don't really see it as a personal dislike of him, I think it is fair to point out he's always been this guy and always will be that guy. There are stories of him being a caustic asshole or guy thinking he's the locker room leader and people should listen to him from his earliest times in the business. Damn near every guy he's been associated with, he's had a bad falling out with or they actually were never friends to begin with. Punk is the absolute king of self-sabotage. The guy was out of the business for 7 1/2 years. The business didn't need him to come back. AEW didn't need him to come back. WWE didn't need him to come back. The business is not going to miss him leaving again. My argument is that I don't feel there is even a choice to be made over him or Kenny/Bucks. I agree 100% with all this. And again, I *like* CM Punk as a performer, a whole lot, and I also probably agree with him about a whole lot more beyond pro-wrestling than I would with the Young Bucks for instance (I have no idea what Omega's social/political thoughts are). I will always praise him for wearing that shirt in fucking Texas. But it is what it is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jmare007 Posted October 27, 2022 Report Share Posted October 27, 2022 It's gonna be so fucking funny to read endless arguments over Larry's teeth getting hit by a knocked down door or not I don't know what's going on with Punk's side but I honestly can't believe they leaked *this* Quote Finally, we were informed that, following "Hangman" Adam Page's comments on a May episode of "AEW Dynamite" alluding to backstage concerns about Punk, there was distrust on Punk's end going into his AEW World Championship match with Page at Double or Nothing 2022, and that Punk was concerned that the pre-determined match would break down into a real physical fight. I mean, come on! Whoever is doing the talking on his side is doing a terrible fucking job at it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El-P Posted October 27, 2022 Report Share Posted October 27, 2022 7 minutes ago, Jmare007 said: It's gonna be so fucking funny to read endless arguments over Larry's teeth getting hit by a knocked down door or not Oh, don't tell me. I'm so outta there. And I hate to be that guy, whatever the story is, but your pet dog has no business at the workplace to begin with. And yeah that last part is like... really now ? Who thought that one was a good idea ? This kinda stuff really make them look like complete carny bullshiters... which... oh well... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.S. Posted October 27, 2022 Author Report Share Posted October 27, 2022 8 hours ago, sek69 said: Larry apparently got hit by the door when it was kicked open, which sucks, but it's not like it was deliberate. EVPs acting like fucking schoolchildren and storming in - whether they kicked, superkicked, or just pushed the door in - I'd say is very deliberate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strobogo Posted October 27, 2022 Report Share Posted October 27, 2022 12 hours ago, C.S. said: Punk's dog was apparently injured during the brawl. If so... FUCK KENNY OMEGA FUCK THE YOUNG BUCKS FUCK TONY KHAN Ol' Double Talking Jive David Meltzer said multiple people said that was completely fabricated, and not a single person had mentioned this on either side until yesterday. Those multiple people could be Kenny and the Bucks, of course. However, Punk's side did backtrack on "kicking the door in" and it is curious to have not mentioned this for a month and a half, at the same time as leaking his defense in the event legal actions stem from the incident. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirEdger Posted October 27, 2022 Report Share Posted October 27, 2022 You know, that would be typical Punk to poison the water while also burning the bridge and having it explode at the same time while he's still standing on it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El-P Posted October 27, 2022 Report Share Posted October 27, 2022 CM Punk being afraid of Hangman Page shooting on him is absolutely bonkers hilarious. How can anyone can take any of this bullshit seriously anymore ? Fuck, Coach TK should go on TV and do a "I have no sympathy for Phil Brookes. CM Punk screwed CM Punk" interview, in the spirit of Bret Hart tribute spots... (and then MJF can be Steve Austin) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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