BruiserBrody Posted September 30, 2012 Report Share Posted September 30, 2012 I wouldn't say Dusty was ever a "top tier" guy. He held the World title for about a week total, combined, and other than that it was all Flair, all the time. Another fine comment from wrestling historian SK :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loss Posted September 30, 2012 Report Share Posted September 30, 2012 That is a joke, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BruiserBrody Posted September 30, 2012 Report Share Posted September 30, 2012 That is a joke, right?Today's blog Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tigerpride Posted September 30, 2012 Report Share Posted September 30, 2012 I wouldn't say Dusty was ever a "top tier" guy. He held the World title for about a week total, combined, and other than that it was all Flair, all the time. Another fine comment from wrestling historian SK Has he ever claimed to be a wrestling historian? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loss Posted September 30, 2012 Report Share Posted September 30, 2012 That's his whole act. The guy you can ask stuff about wrestling history who always has the inside track. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tigerpride Posted September 30, 2012 Report Share Posted September 30, 2012 PeteF3 • 4 hours ago − If Dusty wasn't a "top tier guy," then I guess Andre the Giant wasn't a top-tier guy either. Dusty was one of the biggest national stars in wrestling in the 1970's, probably as big or bigger than any given NWA World Champion. Any territory in the country could have spiked the house by booking him. 2 •Reply•Share › Scott Keith MOD • 3 hours ago • parent He was asking about Dusty in the 80s, though. 0 •Reply•Share › PeteF3 • 3 hours ago • parent Where he continued to be a top national star and was easily the #1 babyface for both Florida and Crockett for most of the decade while in the pre-expansion days still being in demand in New York, Memphis, Portland, and the Mid-South. Dusty only ceased to be a "top tier guy" at the end of the decade. 1 •Reply•Share › Scott Keith MOD • 2 hours ago • parent I dunno, even by 85 he was mainly doing tag matches with Magnum and then moving on to the US title level, but you seem to love proving whatever point I'm making to be wrong, so let's just agree to disagree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loss Posted September 30, 2012 Report Share Posted September 30, 2012 Whether someone was a headliner is a matter of opinion, I guess. This is the dumbest thing Scott Keith has ever said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueminister Posted September 30, 2012 Report Share Posted September 30, 2012 That's his whole act. The guy you can ask stuff about wrestling history who always has the inside track.To his credit SK is slightly more knowledgable than Rick Scaia who had one glaring error per "Ask The Rick" column back in the day -- or Jesse Holland, the resident Cageside wrestling history guy who seems to be a teenager that looks up shit on wikipedia and doesn't understand that "went over" is the opposite of "job." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tigerpride Posted September 30, 2012 Report Share Posted September 30, 2012 I just don't think that for the time period the original e-mail was referring to that Dusty was booking himself in a lot of main events. It seemed to be mainly him and Magnum teaming up against the Midnights or TV title stuff with Tully. Obviously Dusty was a main event guy for many years before that. Just seems like a really weird thing for people to get all riled up about when clearly I've said much dumber things this month alone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeteF3 Posted September 30, 2012 Report Share Posted September 30, 2012 I feel privileged and honored that Keith sees me as some sort of hypercorrective thorn in his side. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tigerpride Posted September 30, 2012 Report Share Posted September 30, 2012 I feel privileged and honored that Keith sees me as some sort of hypercorrective thorn in his side. What other things have you corrected him on? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kjh Posted October 1, 2012 Report Share Posted October 1, 2012 or Jesse Holland, the resident Cageside wrestling history guy who seems to be a teenager that looks up shit on wikipedia and doesn't understand that "went over" is the opposite of "job." To be fair, Jesse is more an MMA writer that happens to help out at Cageside. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NintendoLogic Posted October 1, 2012 Report Share Posted October 1, 2012 Compared to saying that Kobashi did rolling elbows and that Paul Boesch was the promoter in St. Louis, this is small potatoes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loss Posted October 1, 2012 Report Share Posted October 1, 2012 I was not aware of either of those, but I am not surprised. I also forgot that he said Magnum TA's car accident was either alcohol or drug related (can't remember which). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tigerpride Posted October 1, 2012 Report Share Posted October 1, 2012 I was not aware of either of those, but I am not surprised. I also forgot that he said Magnum TA's car accident was either alcohol or drug related (can't remember which). He said Magnum TA was drunk, and then deleted it and apologised when called out on it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeteF3 Posted October 1, 2012 Report Share Posted October 1, 2012 I feel privileged and honored that Keith sees me as some sort of hypercorrective thorn in his side. What other things have you corrected him on? I barely even remember. I mean, it's happened a few times--I read something here and pop over there, but it's not particularly often. The only time I've emailed him directly was years ago when he somehow declared that Tim Horner was the son of Atlanta Brave Bob Horner (who was all of about 2 years older), but there's no way he'd connect this screen name with that old email address. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueminister Posted October 1, 2012 Report Share Posted October 1, 2012 or Jesse Holland, the resident Cageside wrestling history guy who seems to be a teenager that looks up shit on wikipedia and doesn't understand that "went over" is the opposite of "job." To be fair, Jesse is more an MMA writer that happens to help out at Cageside. He's been doing this long enough and tackles it with enough bravado that he should at least have the basic terminology right. (okay then again if cageside seats stopped being stupid at this point id be kind of disappointed sry dude i like your stuff okay) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdw Posted October 1, 2012 Report Share Posted October 1, 2012 Scott Keith MOD • 2 hours ago • parent I dunno, even by 85 he was mainly doing tag matches with Magnum and then moving on to the US title level, but you seem to love proving whatever point I'm making to be wrong, so let's just agree to disagree. WTF? 1985? Let's look at 1986, and *just* the "known" *singles* matches against Flair for the NWA Title in JCP. http://www.thehistoryofwwe.com/jcp86.htm Greensboro, NC - Coliseum - January 4, 1986 NWA National Heavyweight Champion Dusty Rhodes fought NWA World Champion Ric Flair to a no contest Charlotte, NC - Coliseum - January 5, 1986 (10,200) NWA National Heavyweight Champion Dusty Rhodes fought NWA World Champion Ric Flair to a no contest Fayetteville, NC - Cumberland County Memorial Arena - January 6, 1986 NWA World Champion Ric Flair defeated NWA National Heavyweight Champion Dusty Rhodes Canton, OH - January 9, 1986 NWA World Champion Ric Flair defeated NWA National Heavyweight Champion Dusty Rhodes via disqualification Norfolk, VA - Scope - January 10, 1986 NWA World Champion Ric Flair defeated NWA National Heavyweight Champion Dusty Rhodes Cleveland, OH - January 12, 1986 (6,000) NWA World Champion Ric Flair defeated Dusty Rhodes via disqualification Greenville, SC - January 14, 1986 (5,600) NWA National Heavyweight Champion Dusty Rhodes fought NWA World Champion Ric Flair to a no contest Richmond, VA - Coliseum - January 17, 1986 (8,500) NWA World Champion Ric Flair defeated NWA National Heavyweight Champion Dusty Rhodes Philadelphia, PA - Civic Center - January 18, 1986 (8,500) NWA World Champion Ric Flair defeated NWA National Heavyweight Champion Dusty Rhodes Fayetteville, NC - Cumberland County Memorial Arena - January 20, 1986 NWA World Champion Ric Flair vs. NWA National Heavyweight Champion Dusty Rhodes (2 referees) Columbia, SC - Township Auditorium - January 23, 1986 NWA World Champion Ric Flair vs. NWA National Heavyweight Champion Dusty Rhodes Greensboro, NC - Coliseum - January 25, 1986 (6,222) NWA World Champion Ric Flair defeated NWA National Heavyweight Champion Dusty Rhode Greenville, SC - Memorial Auditorium - January 27, 1986 (2,000) NWA World Champion Ric Flair defeated NWA National Heavyweight Champion Dusty Rhodes via disqualification Baltimore, MD - Civic Center - February 20, 1986 (13,000+; sell out) NWA World Champion Ric Flair defeated NWA National Heavyweight Champion Dusty Rhodes via disqualification Richmond, VA - Coliseum - February 21, 1986 (10,000) NWA World Champion Ric Flair defeated NWA National Heavyweight Champion Dusty Rhodes via disqualification Roanoke, VA - Civic Center - March 9, 1986 (matinee) NWA World Champion Ric Flair defeated Dusty Rhodes Baltimore, MD - Civic Center - March 31, 1986 NWA World Champion Ric Flair defeated Dusty Rhodes via disqualification Roanoke, VA - Civic Center - April 4, 1986 NWA World Champion Ric Flair defeated Dusty Rhodes via disqualification Hampton, VA - Coliseum - April 11, 1986 NWA World Champion Ric Flair defeated Dusty Rhodes via disqualification San Antonio, TX - May 22, 1986 Dusty Rhodes vs. NWA World Champion Ric Flair Washington DC - RFK Stadium - July 3, 1986 (6,300) NWA World Champion Ric Flair defeated Dusty Rhodes Jacksonville, FL - Gator Bowl - July 12, 1986 (10,000) Dusty Rhodes defeated NWA World Champion Ric Flair via disqualification Greensboro, NC - Coliseum - July 26, 1986 (15,000; sell out) Dusty Rhodes pinned NWA World Champion Ric Flair with an inside cradle to win the title Dallas, TX - Reunion Arena - July 27, 1986 (10,000) NWA World Champion Dusty Rhodes vs. Ric Flair Atlanta, GA - Fulton County Stadium - August 2, 1986 (12,000) NWA World Champion Dusty Rhodes defeated Ric Flair Kansas City, MO - Memorial Hall - August 7, 1986 NWA World Champion Dusty Rhodes defeated Ric Flair St. Joseph, MO - Civic Arena - August 8, 1986 NWA World Champion Dusty Rhodes defeated Ric Flair St. Louis, MO - Arena - August 9, 1986 (6,300) Ric Flair pinned NWA World Champion Dusty Rhodes (w/ Magnum TA) to win the title Asheville, NC - Civic Center - August 10, 1986 NWA World Champion Ric Flair defeated Dusty Rhodes via disqualification Raleigh, NC - Dorton Arena - August 13, 1986 (8,000) NWA World Champion Ric Flair defeated Dusty Rhodes via disqualification Atlanta, GA - Omni - August 16, 1986 (2,800) NWA World Champion Ric Flair defeated Dusty Rhodes via disqualification Charlotte, NC - Coliseum - August 17, 1986 (11,000+; sell out) NWA World Champion Ric Flair defeated Dusty Rhodes Indianapolis, IN - State Fair Coliseum - August 20, 1986 NWA World Champion Ric Flair vs. Dusty Rhodes Inglewood, CA - Great Western Forum - August 28, 1986 (10,000) NWA World Champion Ric Flair defeated Dusty Rhodes via disqualification Baltimore, MD - Civic Center - September 6, 1986 NWA World Champion Ric Flair defeated Dusty Rhodes Green Bay, WI - Brown County Veterans Memorial Arena - September 18, 1986 NWA World Champion Ric Flair pinned NWA TV Champion Dusty Rhodes Minneapolis, MN - Met Center - September 19, 1986 NWA World Champion Ric Flair defeated NWA TV Champion Dusty Rhodes Wichita, KS - September 29, 1986 (2,600) NWA World Champion Ric Flair defeated NWA TV Champion Dusty Rhodes via disqualification Rock Hill, SC - Winthrop Coliseum - September 30, 1986 NWA World Champion Ric Flair vs. NWA TV Champion Dusty Rhodes Des Moines, IA - October 2, 1986 NWA World Champion Ric Flair defeated Dusty Rhodes Charlotte, NC - Coliseum - October 4, 1986 NWA World Champion Ric Flair defeated NWA TV Champion Dusty Rhodes Spartanburg, SC - Memorial Auditorium - October 7, 1986 NWA TV Champion Dusty Rhodes vs. NWA World Champion Ric Flair Pittsburgh, PA - Civic Arena - October 24, 1986 (10,000) NWA World Champion Ric Flair defeated NWA TV Champion Dusty Rhodes Charleston, SC - October 30, 1986 NWA World Champion Ric Flair defeated NWA TV Champion Dusty Rhodes Omaha, NE - November 2, 1986 NWA World Champion Ric Flair defeated NWA TV Champion Dusty Rhodes Albuquerque, NM - December 28, 1986 (5,251; 5,002 paid) NWA World Champion Ric Flair defeated Dusty Rhodes San Francisco, CA - Civic Auditorium - December 30, 1986 (8,500; sell out) NWA World Champion Ric Flair defeated Dusty Rhodes That's 47 of them. From the first week in January to the last week of December. There were more of them between the two that results don't exist. One common thing was that the Flair-Dusty match was used to "open" new JCP towns. We got it in August at the first show at the Forum. Beyond that, there were also loads of tag main events... not just with Maggie but also with Nikita or the Road Warriors or the R'nR, etc. There also were things like his feuds with Tully and Bubba and Arn that were on top when there wasn't a Flair match on the card. Dusty was a main eventer in 1986. Often. More than anyone other than Flair. It's one of the reasons why some of us hated him back then. But anyway... SKeith is as usual talking out of his ass. John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdw Posted October 1, 2012 Report Share Posted October 1, 2012 Feb 1986 - The Wrestler http://bonanzleimages.s3.amazonaws.com/afu...0401/2093/1.JPG April 1986 - Inside Wrestling http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/61Gk...L500_AA300_.jpg August 1986 - Championship Wrestling http://store03.prostores.com/dcbcollectibl...14fe52e30_m.JPG December 1986 - Pro Wrestling Illustrated http://store03.prostores.com/dcbcollectibl...0c6aca1ad_m.jpg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cox Posted October 1, 2012 Report Share Posted October 1, 2012 Do you really need to go to this much trouble to prove Scott Keith wrong? All you would have to do to convince me that Scott Keith said something wrong would be to say, "Scott Keith said something." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victator Posted October 1, 2012 Report Share Posted October 1, 2012 What the hell was Hulk thinking? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bix Posted October 1, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 1, 2012 Who published "Championship Wrestling"? I've never seen it before. Was it one of Starlog's mags? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El-P Posted October 1, 2012 Report Share Posted October 1, 2012 Who's that fat guy behind Flair ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdw Posted October 2, 2012 Report Share Posted October 2, 2012 What the hell was Hulk thinking? I love that one. And you have to know that the mag writers knew that Orndorff would eventually turn on him. John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdw Posted October 2, 2012 Report Share Posted October 2, 2012 Who published "Championship Wrestling"? I've never seen it before. Was it one of Starlog's mags? Per wiki, it was from Modern Day Periodicals. Looks like it wasn't a short run: http://www.dougcomicworld.com/INVENTORY-Wr...ngMagsSite.html CHAMPIONSHIP WRESTLING (Modern Day Periodicals Inc.) - 1984 - April (Vol.1#1; front cover = Barry Windham; back cover Angelo Mosca vs. Joe Leduc); July (Vol.1 #2; front cover = Mike Rotundo vs. Ric Flair; back cover Black Jack Mulligan vs. Brett Sawyer); October (Vol.1#3; front cover = Rick Martel; back cover Steve Keirn vs. Butch Miller); 1985 - January (Vol.1#4; front cover = Billy Jack; back cover Jimmy Valiant); November (front cover = Wahoo McDaniel; back cover The American Dream); 1986 – August (front cover = Ric Flair vs. Dusty Rhodes; back cover Ric Flair vs. Dusty Rhodes); 1987 - May (front cover = Abdullah the Butcher; back cover Abdullah the Butcher vs. Wahoo McDaniel); August (front cover = Lex Luger; back cover Lance Von Erich); November (front cover = Ivan Koloff; back cover Sgt. Slaughter); 1988 – February (front cover = Ronnie Garvin vs. Ric Flair; back cover Michael Hayes/ Terry Gordy); 1990 – February (front cover = Lex Luger/ Ric Flair; Rowdy Piper; back cover Jerry “The King” Lawler); Not a monthly, instead a few issues a year. John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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