jdw Posted April 5, 2010 Report Share Posted April 5, 2010 Sidello was sort of the "Kevin Dunn" of WCW for a lot of years: she was always get blamed for everything that was wrong in the company. I exagerate on "everything". But the name would come up all the time in the WON, like Dunn's does, when someone would have a bone to pick with not being able to do something or when something sucked. I always wondered which 2-3 of Dave's sources just hated the shit out of her so much that she always took the fall, or felt the need to toss out every fuck up of hers. With Dunn in the early 00s, it was a little more obvious. John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KrisZ Posted April 5, 2010 Report Share Posted April 5, 2010 Sidello was sort of the "Kevin Dunn" of WCW for a lot of years: she was always get blamed for everything that was wrong in the company. I exagerate on "everything". But the name would come up all the time in the WON, like Dunn's does, when someone would have a bone to pick with not being able to do something or when something sucked. I always wondered which 2-3 of Dave's sources just hated the shit out of her so much that she always took the fall, or felt the need to toss out every fuck up of hers. With Dunn in the early 00s, it was a little more obvious. John Brian Pillman had his issues with management for sure so I wouldn't be surprised if it was him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kjh Posted April 6, 2010 Report Share Posted April 6, 2010 With Dunn in the early 00s, it was a little more obvious. When was Dunn first mentioned in the Observer? It dates back probably even earlier than the early 00s, because Jim Cornette blew up at Dunn and made fun of his teeth at a creative team meeting all the way back in the summer of 1997. Did the other prominent idiot of the time (Russo) get all the heat then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El-P Posted April 6, 2010 Report Share Posted April 6, 2010 I can't get enough of Cornette telling the story of him calling Dunn a "Bugs Bunny looking motherfucker" at a production meeting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeCampbell Posted April 6, 2010 Report Share Posted April 6, 2010 Cornette's Dunn impersonations are priceless. As is his description of Dunn's job title "The executive asshole. . . I mean vice president of the WWE." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bix Posted April 6, 2010 Report Share Posted April 6, 2010 I can see why the "we're not wrestling" stuff would drive Cornette up a wall. He sincerely loves this stuff and his bosses are so steeped in self-loathing that they claim it isn't what he loves because they see themselves as above it even though it is it and...I'm suddenly very confused. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strummer Posted April 6, 2010 Report Share Posted April 6, 2010 the stories on Dunn, who's been with the company since the mid 80s, don't start coming out in the WON until Cornette joins the booking team in 96/97 Hmmm... I think there's a connection there Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WrestlingPower Posted April 6, 2010 Report Share Posted April 6, 2010 Wasn't Sidello the woman who went up to Dory Funk Jr. right before a Slamboree match & claimed to be his long lost sister or something? I know this happened just can't remember who the woman was. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cox Posted April 6, 2010 Report Share Posted April 6, 2010 That was Janie Engal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loss Posted April 6, 2010 Author Report Share Posted April 6, 2010 Her and Craig Leathers were forever in WCW credits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdw Posted April 7, 2010 Report Share Posted April 7, 2010 the stories on Dunn, who's been with the company since the mid 80s, don't start coming out in the WON until Cornette joins the booking team in 96/97 Hmmm... I think there's a connection there Corny early, but the knocks on Dunn got even stronger after he left. Heyman was a pretty obvious complainer as well, and perhaps Ross. Who knows who else. John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1004Holds Posted April 7, 2010 Report Share Posted April 7, 2010 Does anyone know what happened to the proposed WWF cartoon? I saw a rumor about there being plans for one around 2000. Also, it would be interesting to find out why they decided to do the WM XII and Judgement Day 2000 Iron Man matches. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Talon Posted April 7, 2010 Report Share Posted April 7, 2010 The answers are probably out there if I look hard enough but here are two Why was Sean O'Haire's "Devil's Advocate" gimmick dropped so quickly and abruptly. How exactly did ICP get jobs with every major promotion when it'd seem like they had an endless list of enemies within the business (despite oddly enough having a large core group of friends to the point of putting on amazing - both bad and good shows) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdw Posted April 7, 2010 Report Share Posted April 7, 2010 I thought Judgement Day was simply to extend the feud. They'd done two matches between the two with Mania (which the rebooked into a four-way), then Rock's win at Backlash. Suspect there was something in the back of Trip's ego head at the time of wanting to match Shawn going 60 minutes. If I recall Mania '96, it was to give it a special edge. Shawn had gone long in the Rumble twice. Bret had the Iron Matches with Flair and Owen. They'd just done a cage match on the prior IYH. Not just any Bret-Shawn, but a super special Bret-Shawn. John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ditch Posted April 7, 2010 Report Share Posted April 7, 2010 Why was Sean O'Haire's "Devil's Advocate" gimmick dropped so quickly and abruptly.Piper did something stupid (IIRC in an interview) and got canned, and O'Haire was attached to him so he got depushed. The gimmick wasn't going anywhere though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Talon Posted April 7, 2010 Report Share Posted April 7, 2010 Why was Sean O'Haire's "Devil's Advocate" gimmick dropped so quickly and abruptly.Piper did something stupid (IIRC in an interview) and got canned, and O'Haire was attached to him so he got depushed. The gimmick wasn't going anywhere though. No no I mean why did he even become Piper's lackey and the Devils' Advocate gimmick dropped so suddenly. One week he was this awesome gimmick that, if given time would have been huge then the next week he was hanging out with Piper and the gimmick was never mentioned again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rovert Posted April 7, 2010 Report Share Posted April 7, 2010 Why was Sean O'Haire's "Devil's Advocate" gimmick dropped so quickly and abruptly.Piper did something stupid (IIRC in an interview) and got canned, and O'Haire was attached to him so he got depushed. The gimmick wasn't going anywhere though. Said interview: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PsuKfI8wq-U Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bix Posted April 8, 2010 Report Share Posted April 8, 2010 Why was Sean O'Haire's "Devil's Advocate" gimmick dropped so quickly and abruptly.Piper did something stupid (IIRC in an interview) and got canned, and O'Haire was attached to him so he got depushed. The gimmick wasn't going anywhere though. No no I mean why did he even become Piper's lackey and the Devils' Advocate gimmick dropped so suddenly. One week he was this awesome gimmick that, if given time would have been huge then the next week he was hanging out with Piper and the gimmick was never mentioned again IIRC he was unable to do a decent promo without multiple takes. Too bad, since the initial promo segments with the incredible production values was as good a setup for a new character as they've ever done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artDDP Posted April 8, 2010 Report Share Posted April 8, 2010 Why do people assume that just because they think the character is cool that it could be "the most awesome/huge/incredible character ever"? This is WWE, they won't be writing Palahniuk for anyone. Most likely they would lose interest or just make him a goofy heel like Santino. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bix Posted April 8, 2010 Report Share Posted April 8, 2010 It didn't really have legs anyway but those initial promo videos were tremendously well made, thanks in large part to having by far the best production values of any pretape they'd ever done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ditch Posted April 8, 2010 Report Share Posted April 8, 2010 It still had better angle potential than DDP: Personal Motivator, which similarly had some fun vignettes but wasn't ever going to accomplish much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Slickster Posted April 8, 2010 Report Share Posted April 8, 2010 I think the gimmick would have worked much better for a heel manager to use, always trying to turn babyfaces over to the dark side when they get bad calls from referees or are overlooked for title shots. EDIT: Wow, I totally forgot this board existed or that I had signed up for it 5 years ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loss Posted April 8, 2010 Author Report Share Posted April 8, 2010 Who was the wrestler Lex Luger refused to do a double juice cage match with unless the other guy got an AIDS test?What was the timeframe for this? I'm not sure. Dave mentioned in WOL back in 2000. It could only be Dusty, Flair, or Windham. I can't think of any other high-profile cage matches he has had. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bix Posted April 8, 2010 Report Share Posted April 8, 2010 Nikita too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdw Posted April 8, 2010 Report Share Posted April 8, 2010 Nikita in 1987 may have been before folks in the business started talking about aids and juice. Ditto Dusty at Starcade at the end of the year. Was there *any* juice in the Lex-Barry matches? That was in the era where WCW was strange in delivering juice. You'd think a cage match would have it, but then they duck it. Might have been Flair. What I remember about that cage match is that Luger was in the hospital for staph, and what had been intended as a double juice bloodbath was changed because of Lex's staph. Ric still hit a gusher, though. John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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