MJH Posted June 6, 2011 Report Share Posted June 6, 2011 I guess... I just can't put myself in the mindset of someone who would be offended by it. 'Faggot' I can at least understand the furore over (even if they're not conciously meaning it in the homosexual sense which I don't think Kobe/Noah etc were... 'Woman Is The Nigger Of The World' isn't a racist song after all), or if he'd called her a 'dyke' or whatever... the soccer player Wayne Rooney had something fairly similar recently where he celebrated a goal by swearing into the camera. I don't see how it's offensive other than for the sake of being offended. Now, given the climate, I agree UFC should do something about it... but I fucking hate the climate . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Sorrow Posted June 7, 2011 Report Share Posted June 7, 2011 That's not quite right. Dave did kind of blow off the Quinton Jackson motorboating Karen Bryant because she was comfortable with it, which would be fair enough if Quinton didn't have a track record of similar behaviour with female interviewers that weren't as appreciative. But he did say the criticism of Rogan was deserved. I get the sense that Dave is so used to Dana and Rogan's nature that he can't muster much outrage for the situation. I'm just amazed how Joe Rogan didn't learn from his "f*****" mistake. Is it that difficult to avoid using offensive words on message boards when you're a public figure? Yeah, I wasn't clear. Sorry. Dave was basically saying that if an announcer in a "real sport" did that they'd be canned immediately. That's what made me think, "Wait, what?" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sek69 Posted June 7, 2011 Report Share Posted June 7, 2011 I took it as more of a knock on Spike than anything else. He was just pointing out how different the mindset is there, any other announcer for any other major sport would have been fired n a heartbeat because they're on major networks with advertising worth billions. UFC gets away with having one of their main announcers repeatedly calling female reporters cunts because Spike's the Manly Man Network for Men who are Manly and somehow it's like "well of course someone on that channel would talk like that". Frankly, I'm surprised they haven't done something with him before. Dana's so concerned with UFC becoming an accepted mainstream sport, you'd think he'd make sure one of the voices of the company isn't someone prone to random, intense, lashouts at women. Go on YouTube and search for him responding to hecklers while doing his comedy act. A lot are female, and while being heckled is lame and the people doing it should get verbally smacked down, he seems to use each time as an opportunity to vent his frustrations on women. I get the feeling he's going to be the UFC equivalent of someone pulling up the Trish Barking Like a Dog segment when they want to embarrass WWE. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Sorrow Posted June 7, 2011 Report Share Posted June 7, 2011 I'm still intrigued by the "if it was a real sport" line. Yes, it being on SPIKE is a factor, everything you said there seems dead on. But does Dave consider MMA to not actually be a sport? I know all the "it's the same as wrestling" stuff. It's pretty much been a major thing we all make fun of and have kinda just went, "Whatever" about. But I never heard or read Dave refer to it as "not a real sport" compared to the NFL, NBA, NHL, etc. I always got the impression that he felt it was just as "real" as "real" sports, given the popularity and the fact that , y'know...it IS a real sport. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sek69 Posted June 7, 2011 Report Share Posted June 7, 2011 Pretty sure he means real as in on the same level as football/basketball/baseball/hockey, rather than real in the "worked" sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eduardo Posted June 7, 2011 Report Share Posted June 7, 2011 I haven't heard the audio in question, but it seems Dave was using "not a real sport" the same way various MMA media outlets were using it, including Sherdog this past week to describe Rogan's embarrassing posts or Josh Gross in the past when describing questionable behavior from the UFC. He seems to be using it along the lines that a major professional sporting organization would have actual consequences for its athletes or broadcasters uttering homophobic, racial and sexist terms (like the recent examples of Joakim Noah and Kobe Bryant). While the UFC pretty much allows its fighters to use awful homophobic and sexist terms on a regular basis with no repercussions, which isn't surprising considering the awful Dana White rant on Loretta Hunt a few years ago. EDIT: Dave was basically saying that if an announcer in a "real sport" did that they'd be canned immediately. That's what made me think, "Wait, what?" This was basically a talking point in the MMA media this past week, from lots of different people (who have zero connection to professional wrestling). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Evans Posted June 9, 2011 Report Share Posted June 9, 2011 The pre Memphis Savage obit in today's Observer was really well done. It's a shame that none of the Savage vs Bobby Eaton 60 minute draws were never taped. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Death From Above Posted June 9, 2011 Report Share Posted June 9, 2011 From the Savage Bio part 2, on a fight between Savage and a fan in Nashville: They ended up on the ground punching and kicking and screaming in front of this old school giant juke box. The police were called, being told by the employees that their friend was in a fight with the crazy wrestler Randy Savage. It should be noted that wrestling was huge on television in the city, and everyone knew Savage, and most people in town thought he was crazy. The cowboy then pulled a knife on Savage. Savage saw the knife, leap frogged over the counter, and grabbed a kitchen knife. At about this point, sirens were blazing signaling the police being about to arrive. The cowboy, hearing the sirens and seeing Savage with a knife of his own, ran out the door. Two police officers, who recognized him immediately, came into the Waffle House and Savage started cutting a promo, complete with "Oooh yeah, can you dig it." The staff said that Savage started it. They tried to arrest Savage, but Savage started yelling how the other guy started it and he was the victim. They tried to arrest him, but he wasn't being cooperative. At this point Savage started fighting the police officers while a crowd gathered. They couldn't overpower him and get the handcuffs on. So they decided to pepper spray him. One officer pulled out the spray, as another officer held Savage. If you've ever seen a wrestling spot, well, Savage ducked and you can predict what happened next. Now THAT is a professional wrestling story. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El-P Posted June 9, 2011 Report Share Posted June 9, 2011 Great story. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ditch Posted June 9, 2011 Report Share Posted June 9, 2011 I wonder if Savage had time to think about the absurdity of that spot actually working in real life. Probably it was all adrenaline at that point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El-P Posted June 14, 2011 Report Share Posted June 14, 2011 Last week on 4FD, Konnan was the guest and he asked if Terry Taylor being fired from TNA was about the sexual harrassment case. The he went on about how Taylor already was involved in such things in the past but always went through the net. Anybody knows about this ? It was reported that Taylor was a weasel and a stooge before, but that's the first I hear of sexual harrassment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bix Posted June 14, 2011 Report Share Posted June 14, 2011 There have been rumblings about it for a while but nobody has given specifics yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cox Posted June 14, 2011 Report Share Posted June 14, 2011 Wasn't Taylor pretty much credited for getting Kimona hired by WCW? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WrestlingPower Posted June 14, 2011 Report Share Posted June 14, 2011 yes but I'm not sure that's any different than Johnny Ace hiring people out of bikini catalogs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rovert Posted June 14, 2011 Report Share Posted June 14, 2011 I cant point anyone anywhere but TNA having casting couch is one of those open secrets. Just like what is rumoured to go on with Kidman and Johnny Ace in FCW. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Sorrow Posted June 17, 2011 Report Share Posted June 17, 2011 Ok, I know Dave didn't write this, and I do get what they were actually trying to say..but how funny is this latest poll at the WO site? What was the biggest news story in March? Dan Henderson beats Feijao to win Strikeforce title Daichi Hashimoto debuts Bellator starts season UFC purchases Strikeforce Jeff Hardy in no condition to perform against Sting Jon Jones wins UFC light heayvweight title Superstars canceled by WGN Earthquake and other problems destroy Japan, affect industry Cena-Rock build for Mania Sir Oliver Humperdink passes away Nik Lentz wins, avoids firing once again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Log Posted June 17, 2011 Report Share Posted June 17, 2011 Yeah, that whole Japan thing was kinda a big deal, but I gotta say that Superstars getting cancelled was probably a lot harder on a lot of people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smkelly Posted June 18, 2011 Report Share Posted June 18, 2011 Yeah, the IWC, man. We account for over 10% of the wrestling fanbase. Our fingers hurt after all of the angry blogs we were forced into typing out. The bastards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rzombie1988 Posted June 19, 2011 Report Share Posted June 19, 2011 I'd love to know how the IWC only represents 10% of the fans talking point hasn't changed in 14 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goodhelmet Posted June 22, 2011 Report Share Posted June 22, 2011 No shit! It's probably even less now! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Log Posted June 22, 2011 Report Share Posted June 22, 2011 Oh, I'd say it's definitely less now. I've been watching the Nitro dvd the last few days. It's funny how, as it progresses, you can see a huge boom in the number of signs in the audience. I mean, in 95 there's a small handful. By '98, everyone has one. Anyway, my point is that most of those signs have some kind of "smarky", insider comment on them. It did (at least) seem like more people were following the backstage stuff online then more than any other time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJH Posted June 22, 2011 Report Share Posted June 22, 2011 Here's the thing I never could understand: Raw is pretty much guaranteed a 3.0 rating. I'm not as well versed in how many people that actually works out as, but of those x people, surely 95% have internet access at this point? And if they watch week-in and week-out, surely they'd look up wrestling on the internet? I mean, I know we, as in the people on this board, are in a very small minority of fans, but, even if we assume the majority of the fans are kids, there has to be a percentage much higher than 10 who're following the "behind-the-scenes" news, etc... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dooley Posted June 22, 2011 Report Share Posted June 22, 2011 But how many of those people go to wwe.com for their net wrasslin fix as opposed to the observer? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KrisZ Posted June 22, 2011 Report Share Posted June 22, 2011 I have a group of 10-12 buddies that come over for PPV's and the like and everything they know about what goes on behind the scenes is from what I tell them. These guys have jobs and families and only watch wrestling for entertainment and don't care enough to look up wrestling news on the internet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cox Posted June 22, 2011 Report Share Posted June 22, 2011 I think the reach is expanding for sure, though. I've had a friend who I've known a long time who used to not know anything as far as scoops go, I mean he just enjoyed wrestling as a "thing to watch on TV" level. I went to his house for the Royal Rumble this year, though, and he knew all about the Booker T and Kevin Nash surprises, so I think on some level, fans are "smarter" about scoops and such than they used to be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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