NintendoLogic

I've done plenty of rewatching and reconsidering, and it's high time to update the top 100 list. Here's where it stands right now (new selections in bold)

Top two for each year? I like that. It gives a more complete picture than a single MOTY. Here are my selections starting with 1972. EDIT: deleted, redundant

ESPN did rip the NFL after the Seattle Screwjob. So they will go after a cash cow if doing otherwise would make them look completely ridiculous.

Dave on Twitter just now: "ESPN gets chance after chance to show balls but this will be another time they're showing castration tendencies."

This has to be the end of Be a STAR, right? Any organization that treats WWE as a credible anti-bullying partner will be torn to shreds.

There's an interesting quote in the latest Observer on this topic (in reference to Roode/Nakamura) If I can make what is probably an overly broad generalization, I'd say that older wrestling was about having spots that fit the story of the match while the modern style is more about coming up with big spots and working backwards to build the story around the spots.

I kind of wish the druids had come out and carried him to the back.

I have just witnessed the first seven-star match in wrestling history.

Well, Rikidozan/Kimura was kind of a big deal. Inoki vs. Strong Kobayashi and Jumbo vs. Rusher Kimura were important in the 70s, but there was an interpromotional aspect to both of them.

I've done a fair amount of tinkering to my list over the months, and I think it's different enough now from the original to warrant a new post. Here's what it looks like right now.

Is Cody even the second-best Rhodes?

My top three, in order, would be the submission match, Bret/Owen, and WM17 Rock/Austin. To look at it from a different angle, I decided to put together an all-time Wrestlemania card with one world title match, one secondary singles title match, one tag team title match, and one women's title match. Opening match-Daniel Bryan vs. HHH, WM30 Women's title-Trish Stratus vs. Mickie James, WM22 Tag titles-British Bulldogs vs. Dream Team, WM2 Secondary singles title-Randy Savage vs. Ricky Steamboat, WM3 Bret Hart vs. Steve Austin, WM13 World title-Eddie Guerrero vs. Kurt Angle, WM20 Undertaker vs. Shawn Michaels, WM25 Main event-The Rock vs. Hulk Hogan, WM18 The world title match was the toughest call. I love the main body of Lesnar/Reigns, but the Rollins cash-in sours me on the whole match. As for worst match, Taker/Shane's interminable length puts it over the top. All the other terrible matches named at least had the decency to be over in less than 15 minutes. Taker/Shane was thirty fucking minutes long.

Added my final pick for 2016 and my first pick for 2017.

I think it's funny that while this thread is going on, there's a thread on the F4W forum wondering why Dave didn't give HBK/Undertaker five stars.

Does anyone else find it bizarre that Meltzer refers to the Rock as Dwayne on Twitter even when speaking about him in a wrestling contest? Example: https://twitter.com/davemeltzerWON/status/834871578399682561

That's not how Street Fighter works. Supers aren't guaranteed round enders, and even a jab can end a round if the opponent's lifebar is sufficiently depleted. I'd like to see the concept of cumulative damage return to wrestling. When was the last time you saw someone kick out of big finisher and get pinned by a mid-level move? As it is, the escalation train only goes forward, never backward.

TNA's new owners must be big Rush fans.

I think he was saying more that Mexican fans are more willing to pay to see wrestlers in their 50s and 60s. But he missed the point of the question, which is why so many more luchadores are able to perform at a high level at an advanced age. The thing is, I don't know how true that is from a percentage standpoint. A big part of it is that there are many times more active wrestlers in Mexico than in the US and Japan.

I'm not nearly as much of a lucha fan as many here, but the 11/29/96 trios is my second-favorite lucha match of all time.

My version of 1983 Lawler/Dundee is 17:03. For 1985, it's 15:20. Both are definitely clipped.

Corey Graves has a really annoying habit of giving away what's about to happen by predicting the exact opposite. I realize that's a WWE announcer trope, but he seems to be worse about it than most.

I've only been half paying attention to this show, but I actually really liked Cena/Styles. Much better than their Summerslam match.

I've actually wanted to do something like this for a while. But I decided to hold off on suggesting it because I figured everyone would be burned out from the GWE project.

So I gave Okada/Omega another chance after all the hype it was getting. I'd say the good outweighed the bad overall, but I doubt it would make a list of my top 200 favorite matches. But that's not the focus of this thread. Given all the reaction to Meltzer's ****** rating, I figured this would be a good time to revisit the topic. What do you consider to be the greatest match of all time? No lists, pick one and only one. Include an explanation if you like, especially if your pick is somewhat unorthodox. For me, it's an easy call: 6/9/95. 'Nuff said.

It seems to me that this question is functionally equivalent to asking one's opinion of 90s All Japan. If you think it's the greatest shit ever, you'll almost certainly pick the 90s. If you don't, you'll most likely pick the 80s. EDIT: I actually accidentally voted for the 80s the first time. Oops.