dawho5
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You're suggesting that there's going to be a rematch with that much on the line again? Only scenario I could see like that is Reigns getting another title shot against monster Brock at a WrestleMania to come. If they have that much attention span, which the WWE usually does not. I guess an alternative could have been that build to Rollins coming into the match and then helping Reigns get the win for a sort of Shield reunion. Not that it would have set things up any better than that did.
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I'm not going to argue that it isn't smart booking Parv. It's the best possible result for the WWE going forward. It's still fucked that we didn't see a result to that match.
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So going forward is Brock now a face trying to kill Rollins? Is Reigns actually over now? That's the only interesting story to come out of WM 31 for me. Show, Trips, Taker and Cena are moves backwards. I guess I should be happy that the main title is at least an interesting picture. Unless they blow it within two weeks. Parv's Bryan point is something I hadn't thought of.
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I'm so torn on that finish. On the one hand Reigns was not going to be a great champ at this point. He wasn't over enough. On the other, he had just gone to WAR with Brock and it was just left hanging. Fuck you for not giving me either Reigns getting his win before the cash in or Lesnar finally putting reigns away. That match demands a real finish.
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You mean the exhausted challenger, but I wholeheartedly agree. That match deserved a clean finish for Reigns fighting through as much as he did.
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I hated the finish because I wanted to see if Roman could do it. I like Rollins as champ more than Reigns. I like not having Brock lose his title. But a match that hard fought needs a better finish.
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GUSHER
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The level of violence is incredible. But I have to question what they are going for. Sympathy for Roman?
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Your face is getting his ass kicked and the crowd is chanting "this is awesome." Good stuff.
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Okay what?
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Thankfully you can skip through the Rousey/Steph shit by watching shows on the Network.
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On a related note to that last match, I have to ask Parv this question. Did Undertaker look worse than Jumbo in his last few tours here? I say much, much worse.
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The Orton match was way better than expected. The finish was actually pretty good, which shocked the Hell out of me. Sting vs. HHH was awful. Except for the Sting shine, which actually was pretty damn good. The divas match was better than I expected it to be. AJ doing the Jumbo sell on the elbow off the apron was cool. AJ seemed much improved from 2013, as did both Bellas. Paige seemed like an afterthought once the heat was done. Rusev is really, really good but I thought something was missing from the match. I can't put my finger on what, but it just didn't blow me away. I'm not saying it wasn't good, just not great. I think they squandered the undefeated streak of Rusev with this booking. Give it to somebody more in need like Reigns. The whole Rock segment was too long and I already don't care about next year's WM. Explain why Undertaker needed to beat Wyatt. That makes no sense at all.
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I get the idea that wresting is not a minimalist art, but at the same time I understand what people mean when they use the term to describe a wrestler or a match that way. Is there a better way of describing a less-is-more approach to wrestling than minimalist?
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Agreed on the Goldy situation for sure. In wrestling, you run with what's hot. Why is it that Hogan got that four year run again? Because he was fucking huge, like him or not, and that's where the money was. And they kept him hot by having him do relatively few jobs, which again makes sense with the business model at the time. So the only real reason for Goldberg having to lose to Nash was what? Nash wanted to beat Goldberg? Ridiculous. As for my answer to the original question, yes they matter but there are matters of tiers to think about. I recently watched Rollins vs. Cena from December of 2013 and I thought Rollins got over HUGE in that loss. But if he goes on to lose his next five singles matches that's a big waste of a great performance by both. That's where smart booking comes in. Book him against a guy who is more even with him and have him go over clean with no help from Reigns or Ambrose. And I would agree that where you are on the card has a lot to do with it. A midcard guy being pushed to the main event can't afford too many losses. In the present WWE it doesn't seem to matter how strong somebody's win/loss record is once they get to main event level. They are generally perceived as being there once they've been around that level for a while. That's one of the reasons Cena can afford to be so generous. The problem really ends up being that the WWE's even steven booking ends up keeping 95% of the roster endlessly stuck in the midcard.
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[2013-12-27-WWE-Smackdown] John Cena vs Seth Rollins
dawho5 replied to Loss's topic in December 2013
I thought the layout was great and the execution was better. The only thing I didn't like was counting three times Rollins had Cena in perfect position for his finisher but trash talked until it wasn't viable any longer. Or maybe that was on purpose, hard to say. -
I agree with the argument against the WWE podcast for the exact same reasons mentioned in the podcast. There's no way they are going to let their current guys get out of character for any amount of time on their programming. It's okay for the old school guys, but it's not going to happen for, since it was mentioned, Bray Wyatt. He would spend an hour talking about living in the Louisiana swamp. And they probably wouldn't have great stories about their current characters because they were handed to them in the first place.
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That October 1990 6 man was 10/19/90 and it's a must watch. First great All Japan 6 man of the 90s.
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Don't forget the massive amount of concussions and years of steroid abuse that went into it. I think that may be one of the most cautionary tales ever as far as getting too wrapped up in your work/hobby for your own good. It's good to care about what you do and be willing to make sacrifices to get better at it, but there has to be more to life than that.
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I'd have to agree with that. Jumbo was the only real polished wrestler of the bunch besides Fuchi in 91-92. Everybody else was still filling in a lot of the details on who they were and what that meant. You also have to take into consideration that Kawada was getting his push towards being a contender for the Triple Crown about the middle of 1991. It's not like being Misawa's tag partner was really his priority at the time. As far as the point about Doc/Gordy and Hansen/Spivey goes, I think that Doc/Gordy caused a lot of problems for the natives in 91 during matches by taking way too much offense and killing any heat/momentum that either native team might hope to build too early. Haven't seen enough of them in 92 to know if they changed or not. And for whatever reason Hansen/Jumbo and Hansen/Misawa matchups always seemed to fall short of expectations. Taue vs. Hansen never really set the world on fire either. So it's no big surprise that the chemistry wasn't there with the big two native teams at the time.
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So a more high class Bray Wyatt?
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[2013-10-14-WWE-Raw] Goldust & Cody Rhodes vs Roman Reigns & Seth Rollins
dawho5 replied to Loss's topic in October 2013
I would agree on the Show thing. He did have a nice run as whipping boy #2/Bryan's backup. Even if the first two weeks after Summerslam the booking was trying to tell us to transfer all of that Bryan love over to Big Show rather forcefully. Loving the Rhodes brothers stuff up through HIAC. Only bothersome stuff is the back body drop counters. I hate both of their spots for that. One thing that bothered me about this match was the whole no DQ stipulation. If it's no DQ how is the ref chasing people out of the ring? Why can't Rollins, Reigns and Ambrose just beat the fuck out of the Rhodes brothers? On what grounds would the ref DQ them or in any way interfere? It's almost like they forgot the stip when they laid out the match. Match was really good as a tag match, but the fact that they ignored the stipulation until it was convenient bothered the Hell out of me. -
Not a ton to add to this. The crazy, chaotic finish was a ton of fun to watch and they set it up really well. The segment with the Shield knocking Cody off the apron then pulling the Usos down to keep building heat on Goldust was genius. And Roman reigns is great at bumping for DDTs.
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There were some good parts in the finishing stretch, but that's where the match falls apart. Hansen taking a swing at some poor kid trying to save his chair after Stan went over the guard rail is fun Hansen character work. I really dug Taue getting his arms in the way of a lariat and falling over from the force of it anyway. But yeah, overall not a memorable Triple Crown match in any way. I would agree with "solid" as a way to describe it.
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[2013-09-30-WWE-Raw] The Shield vs Dolph Ziggler & Jimmy & Jey Uso
dawho5 replied to Loss's topic in September 2013
Best part of this were the multiple cutoffs by the Shield right before the hot tag. It looked like Uso was going to never make the tag and the crowd absolutely exploded when Ziggler took that tag. Great stuff.