BigBadMick

Caught up on four of these back to back on Friday. I really like the way you draw on your own late 70s - early 80s memories and allow the conversation to veer - gently - into politics and history at appropriate times.

Really interesting discussion with Chad about the different generations of fans, keeping up on twitter and pwo2k.

Listened to the Goldberg show, quite good. It seems a shame they don't have a better interviewer than Conrad though. Not looking forward to more 'read from the Observer and await response' episodes.

I'm curious about something that was briefly remarked upon here. You won't be watching angles and promos as part of pwo2k. When do you feel they really fell off a cliff enough not to be worthy of discussion? Was 2000 that much worse than 1999, for example?

The crowd are replacing gold with 'bro' whilst singing. Pretty funny stuff.

First thing that came to mind with this was Lesnar/Cena at SummerSlam. Just shocking, statement-making stuff. Enjoyed it while it lasted.

I know. Your affection really shone through. Sounded like you had a blast doing it.

Geez Pete, I just listened to your interview with Stutts on Clotheslines and Headlines. Get a room.

Anyone interested in discussing this?

If we're discussing current day Smackdown, doesn't WWF tv from approximately Feb-Sep 2000 deserve a mention? The product was red hot, with great main eventers in Rock, HHH and Foley, and great strides being taken up the card by Benoit, Jericho and Angle. As well as a tag team revival (granted, a lot of that was stunt ladder matches etc, but it was hot as hell at the time), and solid to exceptional work up and down the card. Wasn't the head writer at the time praised for his sense of continuity and storyboarding each character's interactions to maintain order? The only possible drawback in all this was match length - weren't they still operating a no-matches-thru-commercial-breaks system on Raw and Smackdown?

Slowly making my way through the Top 50 wrestlers podcasts, really enjoying hearing about lesser known talent and promotions. Tim, I was wondering about your stance on not really reviewing edited tv matches - does this apply across the board? For example, isn't Lucha Underground trimmed here and there? And is it the quantity of editing that bothers you, or just the fact that it's not the complete match either way? I'm asking because it's not something I've ever heard others being quite so strict about.

U.S. express v Harts in 1985, purely for Windham v Bret.

That's 58 matches, breaking down as follows 1990 - 8 1991 - 6 1992 - 12 1993 - 8 1994 - 10 1995 - 1 1996 - 4 1997 - 5 1998 - 2 1999 - 2 I had tried to think after SuperBrawl 3 if there were many really high end WCW matches for the rest of the decade, with only Havoc 1997 immediately coming to mind. There was a bit of chatter along those lines here http://prowrestlingonly.com/index.php?/topic/35772-where-the-big-boys-play-88-superbrawl-iii/ ...so it's interesting to compare/contrast.

This is the WCW matches that made Loss's Top 500 matches of the 1990s list. 500. Fabulous Freebirds & Badstreet vs Young Pistols & Dustin Rhodes (WCW Saturday Night 06/15/91) 498. Goldberg vs Sting (WCW Monday Nitro 09/14/98) 494. Steve Austin vs Ricky Steamboat (WCW Saturday Night 03/12/94) 490. Steven Regal vs Fit Finlay (WCW Uncensored 03/24/96) 487. Chris Jericho & Eddy Guerrero vs Meng & Barbarian (WCW Monday Nitro 02/24/97) 476. Barry Windham vs Brian Pillman (WCW Pro 04/06/91) 473. Ric Flair vs Ricky Morton (WCW Worldwide 03/24/90) 472. Rey Misterio Jr. vs Psicosis (WCW Bash at the Beach 07/07/96) 470. Rick Rude vs Ricky Steamboat (WCW SuperBrawl II 02/29/92) 462. Rey Misterio Jr. & Juventud Guerrera vs La Parka & Psicosis (WCW Monday Nitro 12/15/97) 460. Vader vs The Boss (WCW Spring Stampede 04/17/94) 458. Eddy Guerrero vs Chris Jericho (WCW Fall Brawl 09/14/97) 452. Ricky Steamboat & Shane Douglas vs Steve Austin & Brian Pillman (WCW Clash of the Champions XXII 01/13/93) 447. Ric Flair, Arn Anderson & Sting vs Great Muta, Buzz Sawyer & Dragon Master (WCW Power Hour 01/26/90) 444. Barry Windham vs Ricky Steamboat (WCW Saturday Night 01/09/93) 440. Ricky Steamboat & Shane Douglas vs Jushin Liger & Kensuke Sasaki (WCW Philadelphia 12/29/92) 435. Barry Windham vs 2 Cold Scorpio (WCW Clash of the Champions XXII 06/16/93) 434. Ric Flair vs Brian Pillman (WCW Saturday Night 04/13/91) 428. Ric Flair vs Hulk Hogan (WCW Bash at the Beach 07/17/94) 427. Brian Pillman vs Johnny B. Badd (WCW Fall Brawl 09/17/95) 420. Chris Benoit vs 2 Cold Scorpio (WCW SuperBrawl III 02/21/93) 417. Barry Windham & Arn Anderson vs Doom (WCW Starrcade 12/16/90, Street Fight) 410. Vader vs Dustin Rhodes (WCW Clash of the Champions XXIX 11/16/94) 407. Sting, Ricky Steamboat, Barry Windham & Dustin Rhodes vs Rick Rude, Arn Anderson, Bobby Eaton & Larry Zbyszko (WCW Saturday Night 02/22/92) 405. Sting vs Cactus Jack (WCW Power Hour 11/23/91, Submit or Surrender) 404. Rick & Scott Steiner vs Tatsumi Fujinami & Tayayuki Iizuka (WCW Wrestle War ‘92 05/17/92) 402. Barry Windham vs Steven Regal (WCW Worldwide 04/17/93) 401. Ric Flair vs Bobby Eaton (WCW Main Event 01/07/90) 396. Arn Anderson vs Dustin Rhodes (WCW Saturday Night 01/04/92) 395. Ric Flair vs Ricky Steamboat (WCW Saturday Night 05/14/94) 390. Nasty Boys, Dusty & Dustin Rhodes vs Arn Anderson, Bunkhouse Buck, Terry Funk & Col. Parker (WCW Fall Brawl 09/18/94, War Games) 389. Steve Austin & Brian Pillman vs Marcus Bagwell & 2 Cold Scorpio (WCW Worldwide 05/08/93) 384. Ric Flair, Roddy Piper & Kevin Greene vs Scott Hall, Kevin Nash & Syxx (WCW Slamboree 05/18/97) 382. Jushin Liger vs Brian Pillman (WCW SuperBrawl II 02/29/92) 378. Rey Misterio Jr. vs Dean Malenko (WCW Great American Bash 06/16/96) 376. Rick & Scott Steiner vs Nasty Boys (WCW Halloween Havoc 10/27/90) 368. Dustin Rhodes vs Bunkhouse Buck (WCW Spring Stampede 04/17/94, Bunkhouse Match) 320. Barry Windham & Dustin Rhodes vs Steve Williams & Terry Gordy (WCW Saturday Night 10/03/92) 317. Rey Misterio Jr. vs Psicosis vs Juventud Guerrera vs Blitzkrieg (WCW Monday Nitro 04/19/99) 281. Barry Windham & Dustin Rhodes vs Steve Austin & Larry Zbyszko (WCW SuperBrawl II 02/29/92) 277. Arn Anderson vs Steven Regal (WCW SuperBrawl IV 02/20/94) 247. Cactus Jack & Kevin Sullivan vs Nasty Boys (WCW Slamboree 05/22/94, Street Fight) 236. Steven Regal vs Larry Zbyszko (WCW Saturday Night 05/28/94) 217. Rey Misterio Jr. vs Ultimo Dragon (WCW World War 3 11/24/96) 197. Chris Benoit vs Booker T (WCW Great American Bash 06/14/98) 191. Vader vs Sting (WCW Great American Bash 07/12/92) 133. Arn Anderson & Larry Zbyszko vs Ricky Steamboat & Dustin Rhodes (WCW Clash of the Champions XVII 11/19/91) 132. Sting vs Diamond Dallas Page (WCW Monday Nitro 04/26/99) 127. Vader vs Sting (WCW SuperBrawl III 02/21/93, Strap Match) 124. Ric Flair vs Vader (WCW Starrcade ‘93 12/27/93) 106. Midnight Express vs Rock N Roll Express (WCW Wrestle War ‘90 02/25/90) 100. Eddy Guerrero vs Rey Misterio Jr. (WCW Halloween Havoc 10/26/97, Mask vs Title) 94. Midnight Express vs Southern Boys (WCW Great American Bash 07/07/90) 75. Ric Flair, Barry Windham, Larry Zbyszko & Sid Vicious vs Sting, Brian Pillman, Rick & Scott Steiner (WCW Wrestle War ‘91 02/24/91, War Games) 59. Vader vs Sting (WCW Starrcade 12/28/92) 57. Ric Flair vs Lex Luger (WCW Wrestle War ‘90 02/25/90) 55. Rick Rude vs Ricky Steamboat (WCW Beach Blast ‘92 06/20/92, 30-Minute Ironman Challenge Match) 21. Sting, Ricky Steamboat, Barry Windham, Dustin Rhodes & Nikita Koloff vs Rick Rude, Steve Austin, Arn Anderson, Larry Zbyszko & Bobby Eaton (WCW Wrestle War ‘92 05/17/92, War Games)

Not many comments on this show lately. I'm still listening weekly (hey, I've a long workday) and - if they're genuinely surprised by the blowback - it's astounding that they thought they could discuss Sunny's book and details of her relationship with Michaels without upsetting anyone in WWE.

Funny enough I was listening to his recent interview with Al Snow earlier today. Wade has his good and bad points, and they stand out particularly in comparison to Meltzer. I find him much more articulate and consistent in his views, but with a much narrower range of interests than Dave (exclusively US wrestling from 1980s to now, basically). I think he's a far better interviewer, and seems much more prepared and able to steer conversation. Where he can fail is in trying to shoehorn in his own particular talking points though.

Damn, never noticed such similarity between Arn and Kevin Owens before seeing that photo.... Looking forward to the episode, Kris.

Cheers Boss

Shouldn't kick a man when he's down/gone, but I listened to the whole thing. A sense of dread, then disbelief at his rambling came over me. 'Does this man really think any of this is worth listening to?', came into my head a few times.

Oh, he's gone? His podcast was a bit bonkers too.

I was a bit sceptical but this worked out really well. Is it MSGs, PPVs and SNMEs going forward from Jan 85 then, or any other shows in the pipeline?