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Of course. Not judging. But I admit when I saw that picture on her Twitter than was linked to the annoncement of Snuka's death, I was like "I did not need to see this. I have no business in this hospital room with the family." But to me it goes beyond grief, it's about people's life in general. I don't get people posting unprotected pics of their children all the time on FB or Instagram either. It's a broad issue which, like I said, has nothing to do with the topic at hand. Because it's been just a few weeks ago that Nancy Argentino's family was denied justice and that it's a known fact that Snuka, at the very least, is responsible for letting that girl die. Yeah, tons of pro-wrestlers are (were ?) sleazebags. But very few are pretty sure responsible for the death of other human beings. Benoit is one. Snuka is another. So, a graphic would have been more than enough, really. The reaction live was indeed super awkward, which pretty much tells the story too.

Parv is just being an hideous troll at this point. Just deplorable. He'd be gone if I were a mod. Agreed. Honestly, I already was baffled by the fact she would take a photo of that amazingly intimate, strong and sad moment in life and post it on Twitter, which is also a public forum. This kind of moment should be only shared with the closest family and friends. The way people use social media to "share" intimate parts of their life is just insane to me, but that's another debate.

You're embarrassing yourself, really. And you still don't understand the point being made, which had nothing to do with the fact he was never proven guilty during a trial and had everything to do with human decency. But whatever. You're a waste of time.

Indeed. Because it's useless even arguing with you about anything. You just don't listen. Hell, you won't even admit you're talking out of your ass with the "He was acquitted" bullshit while it's being point out to you numerous times how much bullshit it is.

You're not that dense, are you ? It is not about what you think. Nobody fucking cares. It's about showing a little bit of decency on the part of the WWE. Imagine if someone from the family had to see this "great tribute to a fallen hero of the dignified pro-wrestling family". For fuck's sake. It's embarrassing. In any other field, movie, legit sport, music or whatever, this stuff would have been eviscerated on social medias. (And as far as "rumour and innuendos" go, just go get some infos first instead of talking out of your ass. Your no-selling of Bix setting you straight was pretty typical of your unbearable attitude.)

It's not about what you think, Parv, especially when it's that supid (really, "I have faith about the judicial system" ? In what world are you living in ?). You don't care about women being beat up and killed by assholes. We got that. Clap clap clap. Hooray for you. Other people are horrified, especially when the guys doing the deeds are being celebrated and escape justice because of their social rank. It's about WWE making a fucking video tribute to a (most probably) women murderer not long after the family of the victim was denied any kind of justice, after 30 years of fighting. A RIP graphic was enough, really. This was fucking tasteless and showed a complete lack of empathy, care and decency. That's all there is to it.

Empathy. A woman die every few minutes or so victims of men who beat them up. So yeah. Fuck tribute video to some cokehead who avoided justice because he was famous in a sleazy business. And fuck people who celebrate him because he was some "childhood hero".

Fuck this shit. So hard. Interesting indeed. Some days, I just want to close the door on this shit once and for all. These people have no balls whatsoever.

WWE. Diva Revolution. Tribute video to woman murderer Jimmy Snuka. #childhoodheroes>>>womanabuse

Yeah, it's nice they paid tribute to a women murderer who played dumb to avoid a trial. Very nice indeed. What is human decency compared to the childhood memories of aging pro-wrestling fans ? I'm sure Nancy Argentino's family didn't take it as another painfull slap in the face. Fuck this. And honestly, fuck people and their dear "childhood memories".

Blame Eddie Guerrero & Dean Malenko for this. I have called the infamous sequence of rolling in and out of pinfall positions the Eddielenko for years now. They did it that way first. Of course you can go back to Flair doing his own slow-mo version that he did all the time which was ending up with a backslide, but the prototype for the years (decades) to come is right there, courtesy of working-in-a-vacuum Deano Machino and Eddie, who wasn't always that great. RVD and Jerry Lynn only followed in their footsteps and amped it up a notch. That being said, although it became part of Jerry Lynn's worst tendencies later (for the record, I think Lynn was an excellent worker at his best), you have to put the blame on RVD, as he showed way before working with Lynn that he was a fan of that kind of stuff, doing it with Sabu in 96 already. Lynn only managed to work his own way into it and get maybe RVD's best match ever by indulging his style. But you have to point at RVD first for pushing the Eddielenko sequence (although one could argue some Nitro cruiserweight involving Dean and the luchadors were also guilty of this way before RVD vs Lynn made it super fashionable).

Will Austin work Angle ? What ?

Well, I just did and how glad am I ! First current joshi puroresu show I've watched since... 2002 (and probably first joshi match in ten years or so, really). I kinda FF through the first part since I'm not familiar with most of these girls (although, damnit, Bolshoi Kid, in 2016 ??? Nice to see Aja and Manami are still around too). Oz is 48 and looking good. Okay, so the match is complete smoke and mirrors and dog & poney show, with not much at first except some funny bullshit from the Academy (damn, Police. POLICE ? Still around ? One of the new girl is smoking hot too), then goes into the complete absurd with the entire roster hitting spots on Oz the on Dynamites (including... hugs and kisses !) which was quite funny. I didn't expect the girls going hardcore though. Damn, Oz, all 48 years old Oz (sporting a great bicolor Dynamite tribute outfit) litteraly killing herself taking a million backdrops and that sick table spot. Ok, she's officially the female Terry Funk in my book. Plus, and I'm not kidding, she sold way better at then end than either Omega or Okada did at that Dome show thingy. Damn, Oz. She even pulled out a fake finish that worked with the small package. I cringed at the footstomp. Damn, Oz. I'll be honest, I enjoyed this way more than the "greatest match ever". I give this 7 stars. Well. Then comes the retirement ceremony, which is all great and moving. Hell ! That's Carlos Amano ! Cool to see Devil in complete obasan mode and Akira, whom I would not have recognized, but the hair and the curvy body all indicates she probably is healthy again (right ?). So cool. Cuty doesn't look all that different from when she retired 18 years ago. Aja gives Kansai one last bump (great one too). Lots of cry and stuff. I always struck me that in this business of fakery, these joshi retirements were always so real, so far away from any kind of manufactured emotion we get elsewhere. And for obvious reasons. Green streamers and that's a wrap, 30 years and you call it a career. I'm really glad this thread gave me the urge to watch this. Great stuff that reminded me that I was right to be a super joshi puroresu fan when I was one. Total respect for these women.

I have too. It doesn't hold up at all. Nothing he did holds up actually. He was a total one move wonder. I have never seen any stuff from Snuka anywhere that was particulary good. He was lazy as shit too. Almost Muraco like but without the talent. Funny because Snuka vs Haku on Superstar in 1990 was probably one of the very first match that hooked me up on pro-wrestling (one of the very first competitive match I remember along with Santana vs Perfect for the IC title).

E8 and the Sexy Star stuff begins to look grim. A bad match with Johnny Mundo where both looked crappy and awkward. The finish was terrible. Really, Mundo bashing Sexy Star with brass knuckles, that was a very poor idea. Especially when earlier in the show, Ivelisse and creepy Marty Martinez had a solid match which never went into ridiculousness. But Marty is a good worker and Ivelisse is luch better than Star. So, not feeling where this is going. Likewise, that Texano vs Cage best out of 5 match is gaining no interest from me. Total indierriff spotfest that I couldn't care less about thus far. First match was ok, but now it's completely vain. Worst episode of the season. Although Vampiro getting inside the head of Puma (I guess to fuck him up in the end) is pretty interesting, as is the perspective of more matches against Mil (the previous week had a good one, although nowhere near that great final during S1).

He's the only guy I ever seen have a bad match with Ricky Steamboat (in All Japan, for reference). He was the lesser worker of his tag team with Brody.

Hell in the Cell II. The debut of "let's fall from high places" style of big PPV matches, which gave us the upcoming TLC matches (much more than the Shawn vs Razor matches actually) and all that kind of bullshit.

So, that young punk Akiyama is backed up by New Japan new sensation, Nagata, who looks quite gangsta himself. Misawa is having none of this young punk bullshit this time around. Elbow flurries in yo face Akiyama. Yes, it is Misawa's match, as it should, the old lion isn't ready to lose another one, especially with his new title around his waist. To beat the man, mofo you gotta come get it. Misawa is amazing here, bringing the fight to Jun and pushing him around. Until Jun takes advantage of a mistake and going medieval on Misawa's ass outside. Loved how this match was built and how it escalated until the old lion showed himself too slow and taking too much risks at the end. Great match. MOTYC level.

The fact they are honoring Plum's memory to this day is way cool. I don't doubt it. Dynamite was one of my favourite from the mid-90's when JWP was the little promotion that could ! After her illness she was never the same and it was kinda sad to watch her in the early 00's already. Did anyone else from classic JWP showed up ?

Pretty crazy to think Dynamite was still active when she looked all but washed up in GAEA in 2000. All these women veterans' careers post mid-00s are a complete black hole that hasn't been talked about at all. Cool pics. Cuty still looking great at 47. Really cool to see her saluting her old tag partner. (is that a photo of Plum she's showing ?)

Probably the match that made Takayama into a single main event star. Slow start, with Misawa letting himself mauled. One could say Takayama kinda dropped the pace at one point with a sleeper hold that seemed needless, but after that point, it builds into a legit great match. Misawa, again, was a brillant worker as showed by what seeds he planted and how he attacked the big log and Takayama was excellent, bringing in the big spots and strong selling. Tons of credit to Misawa with NOAH because he sure wanted to go in another direction than the late AJPW excess at first, building Takayama, using Ogawa on top and only putting the belt on himself, da boss, to be able to drop it himself to someone else. And despite being banged up, he was still an amazing worker. That flurry of elbows at the end, just like the sudden counter of Takayama's big kick are wonderful to watch and made sense in the context of the match, not just as "spots". I had kinda forgotten about Misawa's greatness, honestly. And Takayama was a breath of fresh air in the early 00's.

Misawa just staying outside while both Otsuka and even more Hashimoto only wanted to deal with him was terrific psychology. Even at this point, Misawa was still a brillant worker. It's sad there's this idiotic stereotype about headropping, because it was such a small part of what made AJPW and Misawa. The strike exchange was great because it had intent and meaning, it was not an obligatory spot by every damn worker on the card. And the exchange had weight with every shot, there was a dynamic within itself. Ogawa was the standout though in term of carrying the workload of the match, getting killed by Hash but not giving up and being a sneaky bastard when needed. Every Misawa's intervention was done at the right moment. Hash still had some aura left after the Ogawa debacle, teasing a dream match with Misawa did him a lot of good here. Very good match and a terrific job of building anticipation.

It was the WWF version of hip and edgy. So... I liked the funky settings though. The bar shows was a way to make them look gritty and shit. Marlena flashing Backlund was so obviously them trying to be ECW. But of course, then again, you had Sunny being naughty with Elmo. In retrospect, who would have thought this would be her best sextape actually ? The matches were shit though, so it was all about the goofy settings and atmosphere. Still, it felt fresh and different.

Another case of Sean Oliver being way funnier than his guest. The guy looks totally jaded with this Youshoot stuff at this point. Honestly, they should do a Sean Oliver Youshoot hosted by whomever.

We're talking about MOTYC at least, right ? So : NO to Okada vs Omega. Overblown self-conscious epic with a top ropre Dragon Suplex headdroping meaning exactly zilch. The lesser match of the second half of the show, and both tag matches were better than this.