Matt D

It's probably too late for Mookie to do a really comprehensive Brock Lesnar-As-A-Wrestling-Draw overview isn't it?

That crazy Bock vs Larry Z match from the AWA set was pretty short.

I really want to find a great or at least very good Model match. I watched Martel vs Red Rooster from MSG last night and while I thought he did a great job during the shine, really selling the arm and then the leg and making Taylor look good and his stuff meaningful, I fell asleep once he got on offense. Literally. Monsoon was particularly brutal too and I love Monsoon. Heenan getting exasperated that Hillbilly Jim could identify the patella cracked me up though. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rnYsLz2PKAQ

I will watch any Davey Richards match that Parv, Charles, Bill, and Dylan all agree that I should watch. Past that, I'm not watching anything.

Did you talk about Ricky vs Tito vs Martel?

There's a lot of stuff from Japan from the 70s that I really do want to see, but it's going to be a long road for me to get through them all.

It was over as a legitimate threat at the Royal Rumble that Santino came in second on though.

I think on a small level, something like the Cobra getting over as well as it did, because it was sold to get over, is telling.

It amazes me how well Sabu did in the 1994 Observer voting. I feel like he came in #2 in almost every category.

I'm pretty happy with my sum up earlier in the note. That covers a lot of my philosophy on wrestling more succinctly than I've manged before.

This is vaguely anecdotal, but there was a highly touted AJ vs Daniels match from a few years ago. I think it was a FCA. I remember enjoying Styles a lot in it but getting frustrated because Daniels kept doing stupid things and screwing up the match. I get the feeling that this might be a common theme for most of AJ's career, and I might underrate him accordingly.

Lawler (and others) posted on twitter that Ox Baker passed away.

All of these 30-40 minute matches i'm trying to watch for GOAT are killing me. I rarely have more than 20-25 mins at a time to watch anything.

Conditioning fans is pretty much the entire point of pro wrestling.

In general, spots are a tool. If they're a tool well used to tell a complete, coherent, consistent match, even if they're rapid fire and there's little room to breathe, great. That's a good match. It's very hard to make anything mean anything in a match like that though since, unless you're dealing with a huge multiman match, there's no time to actually sell anything in a weighty manner. It takes very talented wrestlers and very clever layout generally. It's possible; it's just hard. A match like that can be entertaining and not actually any good. Everyone likes watching explosions. They don't take the place of actual substance though, even if they can be used as part of a total whole to create that substance. They just don't substitute for it inherently. To me, in a good match, moves have meaning and that meaning adds up to something even more meaningful. Can that happen in what I think to be a spotfest? Sure. Is it hard as hell? I think so.

I suppose we have to take a step back and define spotfest then, and maybe the difference between a spotfest and a sprint?

That'd be a better story if it led to Kofi actually getting over.

the invader match: Starr is great at being chickenshit in the opening bit. He keeps trying to contrive a way to get on offense but Invader outpresences him completely. The best part is when he whips Starr off the rope and Star hangs on, drops out, and shadowpunches outside for a while. WE get a cut for a commercial as Starr had one of his temporary advantages but it's fine things are more even when we come back since that followed the story of the early match. The transition comes right after as Starr tosses Invader out cheaply and as he distracts the ref, his valet hits him with a chair. Invader bleeds like no one's business and he sells out on the floor for the next five minutes or so with just a few stomps from Starr now and again but it's really well done. Invader just bleeds around the ringside area and collapses and garners sympathy. Starr doesn't even need to do anything. Eventually, Invader makes it back in and the way he earns the comeback, getting beaten down, and then coming back with a few collissions, and losing a step or two but just gradually coming back a little more and a little more is great until both guys are selling heavily. He never QUITE gets the big comeback though and finally misses a big desperation move and eats the DDT (which he blocked brilliantly in the early match) for the win. Huge heat. Great match.

I'll get to them, and I'm sure I'll either appreciate them more because I've seen whatever else I've seen first, or i won't, and then we'll have a problem when it comes to Hansen's ranking. But that he didn't click with some others does matter when it comes to things like "Is he #1 ever?" which isn't off the table as of now by any means.

Most likely, Danielson and Low-Ki were known quantities. Gulak and Busick aren't. Most people who are fans of any kind of entertainment give creators they like more rope than people they have no idea. This, basically. And wrestlers most definitely work in stuff where they think they're going to get a This Is Awesome chant. Guys who work to that aren't doing it right. That's not organic. That's reactionary to the point where it's like a Pavlovian reflex. I understand the idea that Joe's presenting, but there's a big difference between a couple of guys doing something organic that elicits that type of reaction and a couple of guys working through spots for the hand clapping or This Is Awesome chant in response. You don't work for that response like it's a spot in the match. If it's worked that way instead of portraying organic competitiveness, or, you know, actual heat and hatred, then something is innately broken and that's when the "pretending to be a pro wrestler" criticism comes up.

I always did kind of love the Canadian crowd though, and at this stage I'd much rather watch the Raw after Wrestlemania than Wrestlemania itself, so I'm probably a hypocrite.

I can't even begin to stress how much I hate the early 1999 WWF crowds. There are self-serving signs up the wahoo, just people dying to get on TV and to make it all about themselves. It was the height of the frat boy audience era and it's just brutal.

People are more ironic and irritating than in 2008? Five years is a long time. There's five years between 85 and 90. Look how wrestling changed then.

At least I was honest about my laziness. That makes sense though because he had some Inoki matches right around this point.

Dusty Rhodes vs Stan Hansen, 5/6/80, I assume All Japan Dusty's robe is great. He seems a little lither than I'm used to but that could be the camera. There's three or four stretches of great brawling here, really enjoyable stuff that reminds me a little of the Andre match. It's broken up by a chinlock and Dusty making an attempt at control armwork, but all of this is fine in general. It's just not as fine for so short a match. It goes seven or eight minutes tops. They do tell a little story with Dusty making comebacks and Hansen cutting him off and Dusty taking it to the outside to fight back. Dusty hits two postings throughout the match but when he goes for the third, Hansen tosses him off, hits a Lariat, then as Dusty makes it back to the apron, another, which drops him so he can't get back in. I wish this had five more minutes.