Cross Face Chicken Wing Posted January 6, 2011 Report Share Posted January 6, 2011 Someone at PWT just uploaded a metric ton of old WONs. Which could mean that Loss is no longer the only one able to do recaps, hint hint. About how many old WONs from 87-95 are on Meltzer's site or PWT? I own hard copies from 84-86, but have never subscribed to Meltzer's site or PWT to see what they have online from past WONs. Do they just have sporadic issues posted, or complete annual sets? I used to do Loss-style recaps from my hard copies, but stopped because it's very time consuming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ditch Posted January 6, 2011 Report Share Posted January 6, 2011 I don't know how much of old WONs are available at any given moment online, but I'll say that he's worked from '91 through '93 over the last couple years. I haven't looked in-depth to see how much is on the torrent, but the sense I get is that it covers ~84 through to where the current 'old WON of the week' series picks up. And it's in the form of scans, which isn't the easiest way to read them... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bix Posted January 6, 2011 Report Share Posted January 6, 2011 The WONs through the issue before the earliest one on the site were done on a typewriter so there's no chance of them showing up as text without someone taking the time to carefully run them all through OCR software. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdw Posted January 6, 2011 Report Share Posted January 6, 2011 And even OCR would run into problems with a lot of issues. Dave had that bad typewriter for a long time, got a new one, then went back to the bad one for a couple of issus when the bad one went out. Dave's formating also might drive OCR on occassion as well. It would take a massive amount of work. Bryan would be far better off looking to just PDF the oldest ones. It does make it difficult to monetize them, or prevent people from lifting them and distributing them (right click + save). But it certain would be a "feel good" for subs to have the library up there. John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loss Posted January 6, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 6, 2011 Someone should just re-type them all verbatim. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bix Posted January 6, 2011 Report Share Posted January 6, 2011 And even OCR would run into problems with a lot of issues. Dave had that bad typewriter for a long time, got a new one, then went back to the bad one for a couple of issus when the bad one went out. Dave's formating also might drive OCR on occassion as well. It would take a massive amount of work. Bryan would be far better off looking to just PDF the oldest ones. It does make it difficult to monetize them, or prevent people from lifting them and distributing them (right click + save). But it certain would be a "feel good" for subs to have the library up there. It's easier to lift the newsletters that are up now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdw Posted January 6, 2011 Report Share Posted January 6, 2011 When coming across large amounts of text online, I find it far easier to save a PDF to the hard drive than it is to highlight & copy & paste & format into a text editor. Especially if you have a list of links given the choice between these two: * direct link to a PDF * link to a html page with the text Obviously one could save the html page rather than lifting the text. But the formating on those html pages suck, and you have all the non-issue items in the HTML also. I'd just as soon have a PDF of the WON in original format if it's a case of reading it. If it's a matter of cutting & pasting specific info out of content online (for example a specific section of a law or code), then sure... I'd just as soon have text where I can copy the item I want. In the WON's case, an example might be the Results section. But if I want to read and/or save for future reference an entire thing, give me a searchable PDF. John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ditch Posted January 7, 2011 Report Share Posted January 7, 2011 Someone needs to make the Lynch catalog pdf searchable. That would earn a gold sticker and a lollipop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loss Posted January 7, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 7, 2011 Imagine if someone did it for Friedlander's list! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bix Posted January 7, 2011 Report Share Posted January 7, 2011 The person who scanned Jeff's list for him had OCR on. It didn't go very well thanks to that typeset. As far as which is easier to copy, the WON has been copied illicitly a lot more post-merger than it was when it was hard copy only. That isn't to say that it didn't happen before, but it wasn't nearly as widespread and was limited to one guy. In fact, Dave has said that one of the reasons he put the newsletter back online was that it was pirated anyway. PDF is starting to become more of a nuisance. I prefer something that I can just paste into a Word document with the proper spacing and email to my Kindle. As far as fully formatted documents, the ebook formats (most notably ePub and MobiPocket) will probably be usurping PDF eventually. They can read just as well on a PC but also be read easily on ebook readers. If your reader doesn't support one, then it can be easily converted while retaining most, if not all of the formatting. They're basically zipped up HTML + images + formatting along with a location based system that maintains proper formatting regardless of how you adjust the font size, spacing, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cross Face Chicken Wing Posted January 7, 2011 Report Share Posted January 7, 2011 Someone should just re-type them all verbatim. Someone needs to read them all out loud like an audio book. I would give my left one to hear Vince read the entire 1985 set. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wahoos Leg Posted January 8, 2011 Report Share Posted January 8, 2011 Someone needs to make the Lynch catalog pdf searchable. That would earn a gold sticker and a lollipop. Working on this... hope to have update soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ditch Posted January 8, 2011 Report Share Posted January 8, 2011 If you pull it off I bet Lynch would give you a couple free discs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loss Posted January 8, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 8, 2011 While it would definitely be cool if someone did this for Jeff Lynch's list, PDFing Friedlander's list alone, much less making it searchable, would be huge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wahoos Leg Posted January 8, 2011 Report Share Posted January 8, 2011 While it would definitely be cool if someone did this for Jeff Lynch's list, PDFing Friedlander's list alone, much less making it searchable, would be huge. Send me a copy and I will give it a try too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goc Posted January 8, 2011 Report Share Posted January 8, 2011 Someone at PWT just uploaded a metric ton of old WONs. Which could mean that Loss is no longer the only one able to do recaps, hint hint. I don't want to step on Loss' toes, but I might give that a shot Would it be ok for someone to start like a catch-all thread for things found in that PWT pack? I've had a couple interesting things I wanted to post about, but not do whole write-ups of issues. One is an issue right after George Scott is removed as the booker that says the new booking team would be Vince McMahon, Hulk Hogan and Tito Santana. There's no way Tito was ever a booker right? I've never heard anything about it in his shoots or anyone else's. It was the July 7, 1986 issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bix Posted January 8, 2011 Report Share Posted January 8, 2011 I would think that Loss won't mind, especially since he loves the famous Dave quotes about WCW thread at DVDVR. As far as that specific story goes, that's a good question. There's stuff in the WONs from that period that haven't really stuck around as stories if they were true, like the idea that Bruno/Vince vs Ventura/Danny Davis was planned for WM3. That one at least fits with how things were playing out on TV and, if true, it makes sense that plans would've changed for certain reasons (Dynamite's injury -> Bulldogs will only drop the titles to the Harts -> Davis's full-fleged turn is a perfect fit for the title switch -> at that point the Bulldogs have to be Davis's WM opponents -> but they needed a third guy both to even out the teams and to pick up the slack for Dynamite so they retconned Tito's IC Title loss so he could join in). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loss Posted January 8, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 8, 2011 I definitely don't mind. In fact, I'd encourage it. That subforum is for everyone to use, not just me. I'll start recapping 1989 soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wahoos Leg Posted January 9, 2011 Report Share Posted January 9, 2011 Not looking promising on the Lynch PDF, in its present format. Basically, it's just an image of the original list, which thus makes it impossible to search the text. I'm exploring conversion processes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Evans Posted January 10, 2011 Report Share Posted January 10, 2011 I like that TNA mentioned they were trending on Twitter and about 30 minutes later, Matt Hardy debuts and instead of Hardy trending, Tyler Reks is. I guess people though since Matt now has a similar hairstyle like Reks, they are the same person? It's pretty funny. This deserves a Cageside Seats post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cox Posted January 10, 2011 Report Share Posted January 10, 2011 In retrospect, was WWE's best work of the past decade convincing folks that the Hardys weren't crazy, drug addicted messes? It's especially impressive considering both had at least one Wellness violation (couldn't remember if Matt was at one or two). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdw Posted January 10, 2011 Report Share Posted January 10, 2011 Jeff is lucky that the Wellness Program didn't cover his entire time with the promotion. Lord knows how many dope tests he flunked in the WWF/WWE, and how many other times the company believed he was in bad shape but it just didn't happen to be his turn for dope testing. John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rovert Posted January 10, 2011 Report Share Posted January 10, 2011 Speaking of Lawler CM Punk wrestled him in Memphis: http://twitter.com/#!/CMPunk/status/24343411142164480 I WANT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomk Posted January 10, 2011 Report Share Posted January 10, 2011 In retrospect, was WWE's best work of the past decade convincing folks that the Hardys weren't crazy, drug addicted messes? It's especially impressive considering both had at least one Wellness violation (couldn't remember if Matt was at one or two). It's wrestling. The WWF lockerroom wasn't as open about its drug use as the ECW one. But still. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyonthewall2983 Posted January 10, 2011 Report Share Posted January 10, 2011 What I want to know is if WWE hires them back eventually or if they're gone for good. I don't care either way, but I am curious to know if the door is now closed to them permanently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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